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Voted : A flagrant, shameless attempt at political fear- mongering
Cheney is evil.
by mojo on Fri Aug 11, 06 10:17am
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?That the Democrat Party is weakening and they(terrorists) take strength from it?
dazz: Isn't that basically agreeing with Cheney?
BTW, dazz ... that implies that the Swiftboaters are terrorist sympathizers. 
Voted : A flagrant, shameless attempt at political fear- mongering
Cheney fears that the Liberman defeat is a foreshadowing of the fall elections and is already trying to spin the results as weakness rather than opposition to the war.Although I'm disappointed that the moderate Lieberman lost to the socialist-lite Lamount,the results of the Conn. election does not have nation ramifications.
I think he is trying to say that those who push for immediate withdrawal without making sure that Iraq is stable and can manage its own internal affairs is dead wrong.
That is an issue I tried to address in another ballot. If you do things to quickly because it is politically expedient or what the polls say at the moment you could end up with a worse disaster. The US "Vietnamized" the Vietnam war (by turning it over to the South Vietnamese almost entirely. What happened there? Within a couple of years the south fell to North Vietnam and became communist.
Cathexis: Perhaps my comment did agree with Vice President Cheney's statement, but, can you not refute that my comment is in easy to read language? Spinning and spinning...
The terrorists knew from the beginning that this is a mostly political war, that's why the put such efforts towards manipulating our media (and they eagerly comply).
Certainly tossing out politicians based mainly on their support for the war will encourage our enemies.
Imagine: you are fighting the most powerful military in the world, and you know you cannot possibly hope to beat them. They are pretty much invincible, unless their own people decide to give up. How are you going to choose to combat them? Militarily, or by manipulating public opinion? And how would you take it if they start voting for canidates in favor of calling the war off? WOuld you take that as a sign that they are resolved to fight to the end, or that you simply have to keep up what you were doing and eventually they'll concede and pull their troops back?
Yup ... so any failure to support a war we started means capitulation ... the (circular) logic is irrefutable.
Oh, BTW, herz ... again, you seem to have confused 'Iraqi insurgents' with 'terrorists.'
HTH.
Cath: true or false, the terrorists (or insurgents, freedom fighters, heros, etc) are trying to defeat america by turning us against the war and convincing the US to pull out?
Voted : A flagrant, shameless attempt at political fear- mongering
An illegal war is still an illegal war.
You cannot be surprised when a resistance grows, when the occupying forces use rendition and imprisonment and torture to further their cause.
No people of any nation would stand idly by in this respect.
As for 'turning against the war' the majority of the UK people were against it before it began, so the media are reporting only the facts of the war.
I just find it incredible that even after two years, there are still people who support the Iraq war.
Then again given the blind support of Israel's genocide, by some members of this site, I shouldn't be too surprised.
I also read in the news today that Karl Rove called Joe Lieberman on the day of the Primary to wish him luck. Nothing wrong that in itself, but just pointing it out as a point of interest :)
"Certainly tossing out politicians based mainly on their support for the war will encourage our enemies."
Weren't most Americans already opposed to the war anyway? Should they vote in politicans on issues they don't agree with? Would you do that?
by aya on Fri Aug 11, 06 8:46pm
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herz: Yes, the insurgents want us to pull out. No, the 'terrorists' do not want us to pull out. They are laughing at their incredible good fortune in duping the US into taking on exactly the role bin Laden, et. al. have been harping and warning.
This is one of the ongoing problems of conflating insurgents with terrorists -- which the Bush team loves to do and too many people fall into accepting.
BTW, continuing an immoral, unjustified, and all-round stupid action just because the people we've been beating up would view a retreat as a 'win' is ... I'll be kind and just say it is no reason to 'stay the course.'
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