result #101704 - PNAC/ NAZI SS ~ SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

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PNAC/ NAZI SS ~ SPOT THE DIFFERENCE


[+] serious ballot by Ken_from_Dublin
ACTIVE Sep 10,2006 - Fri Jun 05, 09

“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.

All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

- Hermann Goerring, founder of the Gestapo and one of the main architects of the Reichstag fire - WW2's 9/11.

In this case the US/PNAC/(SS) government have just replaced the phantom threat from communists with the even less phantom threat from terrorists.

No difference 65%
Big difference 34%

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A secret document reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure a "regime change" even before he took office in January 2001. The Bush team planned to evict Saddam with or without UN approval. Not only that—they also planned to use their administration to effect a defacto world conquest— including outer space and the internet. The document was drawn up by Vice-President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W. Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). WE MUST NEVER EVER ALLOW A BUSH BACK TO CONTINUE TO FOUL THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT & DESTROY THE WORLD

In September of 2000, a document based on it called "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century," was published the neo- conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says, “The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security (and control their oil). While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” SO FAR, THIS ILL CONCEIVED NAZI-STYLE MADMAN PLAN HAS MURDERED AN ESTIMATED 4,000 TO 5,000 PEOPLE

The PNAC document calls for the U.S. to “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars” as a “core mission.” WHICH HAS ALREADY KILLED HUNDREDS OF AMERICAN TROOPS. It describes American armed forces abroad as “the cavalry on the new American frontier” and says the U.S. must “discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.” It also describes peace-keeping missions as “demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations.” AND NOW, FAILING, THEY ARE WHIMPERING FOR HELP FROM THE UN.

It hints that the U.S. may consider developing biological weapons in decades to come, saying, “New methods of attack—electronic, 'non-lethal', biological—will be more widely available…combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes…advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. "THIS IS THE RHETORIC OF VERY SICK MADMEN AND TO THINK, THEY INVADED IRAQ ON THE FALSE PRETENSE SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, WHICH HE DID NOT.

Regarding other parts of the world, the PNAC document reveals the concern that the European Union could eventually rival the U.S. in power. It targets China for a “regime change” and says “it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia,” which may lead to “American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratization in China.” It pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a “world-wide command-and-control system.”

It calls for the creation of “U.S. Space Forces” that will dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace, in order to prevent our “enemies” from using the internet against us. MORE RHETORIC OF VERY SICK MADMEN/ HENCE THE CONSTANT ATTEMPT TO DESTROY SIBOLOGY.

Tam Dalyell, a Labor MP in the U.K. who is against war with Iraq, says, “This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawk—men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war and glorifying themselves. This is a blueprint for U.S. world domination—a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world.” HE HAS HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. UNQUESTIONABLY A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT OUTSPOKEN MAN.

by Ken_from_Dublin on Sun Sep 10, 06 6:46pm [+]

Voted : No difference
Meh. The big difference here is that most Americans don't like Bush and the administration he stands for.
by himself809 on Sun Sep 10, 06 6:49pm [+]

The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank.

John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a principal inthe Union Banking Corp. in Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s. Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time, Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany.

The bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather received $1.5 million from the bank as part of that dissolution. "That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich," Loftus said. Loftus made his remarks during a speech as part of the Sarasota Reading Festival.

The author of "Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis and the Swiss Banks". Loftus documented the Swiss bank accounts that harbored funds confiscated from Holocaust victims, and the participation of Italian priests in smuggling Nazi war criminals to safe haven in Canada, Central and South America and the United States after the war.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Sun Sep 10, 06 6:56pm [+]

The big difference is style and panache. Those fashion conscious Nazi's were realy fashion plates and I just love their snazzy costumes. If Rumsfeld had any fashion sense at all, he'd don one of those wonderful gray uniforms and accesorize it with those gorgeous medals. Gorgeous I tell you, simply gorgeous!
by TomSmith on Sun Sep 10, 06 6:57pm [+]

People do realize that PNAC is not part of the government right? PNAC is just some group a bunch of racist, facist neocons started. They have no real power. No one takes them seriously and they're basically dismissed as being a group of stupid old men with outdated ideas.
by TomSmith on Sun Sep 10, 06 6:58pm [+]

Quite the opposite - they are very much a symbiotic part of the present US government who are abusing their great places of power in the present administration Tom, check it out.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:04pm [+]

Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3); the New Citizenship Project's chairman is William Kristol and its president is Gary Schmitt.


Project Directors

William Kristol, Chairman

Robert Kagan

Bruce P. Jackson

Mark Gerson

Randy Scheunemann


Project Staff

Ellen Bork, Acting Executive Director

Gary Schmitt, Senior Fellow

Thomas Donnelly, Senior Fellow

Reuel Marc Gerecht, Senior Fellow, Director of the Middle East Initiative

Timothy Lehmann, Assistant Director

Michael Goldfarb, Research Associate

by TomSmith on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:04pm [+]

The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.

The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world.

William Kristol, Chairman



Can you believe this crap? These guys have totally discredited themselves and have nil influence anymore. They've pretty much been marginalized and are totally mocked now. No threat anymore. They're actually criminals in my view
by TomSmith on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:06pm [+]

Quite the opposite - they are very much a symbiotic part of the present US government who are abusing their great places of power in the present administration Tom, check it out.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:04pm

I don't think thats the case anymore. Great article in today's NY Times that talks about how Cheney has lost all power and how Bush actually contacted all key allies to apologize for his first term. I know its hard to believe, but PNAC is impotent at this point. I think Bill Kristol was even bounced from the News commentary circuit. Personally I think most Americans know they're just a bunch of uptight old fucks that made asses of themselves.
by TomSmith on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:09pm [+]

Ken, are you the type that thinks George W. Bush planned the 9/11 attacks, that the United States faked six moon landings, that Brazil threw the 1998 World Cup, and that Elvis is alive?
by Bostonian on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:17pm [+]

ken is a far-right wing conservative extremeist trying to discredit left wingers by posing as one and making absurd arguments in childish ways with fabricated proof.
by neothe1 on Sun Sep 10, 06 9:52pm [+]

^If so he should be given a medal.
by herzog on Sun Sep 10, 06 10:05pm [+]

{ken is a far-right wing conservative extremeist ...
by neothe1 on Sun Sep 10, 06 9:52pm}

A claim of neothe1 which can be tossed in the rubbish like most others that he makes, as neothe1 is what is commonly known as a LIAR
by Lovelynice on Sun Sep 10, 06 11:55pm [+]

{...are you the type that thinks George W. Bush planned the 9/11 attacks, that the United States faked six moon landings, that Brazil threw the 1998 World Cup, and that Elvis is alive?
by Bostonian on Sun Sep 10, 06 7:17pm}

Excerpt from "Common aspects of the Coincidence Theorist" -

Number 14. The coincidence theorist attempts to use the false ascribing to the other person of more impossible beliefs than their own in order to make their own impossible coincidences seem more likely by comparison.

Sorry, Bostonian, but by painting everyone who is a 9/11 sceptic (which is MOST OF US) with the same brush is a B U L L S H I T attack on your part and destroys your own credibility.

Most people KNOW that the WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions, and KNOW that cellphone calls from passenger planes flying six miles up at over 450mph are IMPOSSIBLE (without an onboard cellular basestation; technology non-existent prior to 2004) and therefore those cellphone calls on 9/11 were FAKED by the USA government.
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 12:05am [+]

You should look at the example of Germany and Japan in the 1930s, both were democracies taken over by extremist rightwingers with an agenda of war and power, and look at the USA as it is NOW.
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 2:44am [+]

It is too bad that rightwingers use democracy as a stepping stone to fascist dictatorship. In the U.S., neocons are the number one threat to our freedoms, not terrorists.
by cranky on Mon Sep 11, 06 4:16am [+]

A Picture of a Nazi. LOL! How pathetic, cheap and non intellectual? The whole ballot's credibility and seriousness is destroyed with such childish games. The tinfoil hats figure they've got to use silly pictures like this to sell their weak tales, lies and garbage accusations. Funny thing, this is exactly how the Nazis worked their propaganda.
Move along, nothing to see here folks.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Mon Sep 11, 06 4:55am [+]

{The tinfoil hats
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Mon Sep 11, 06 4:55am}

The ONLY tinfoil hat wearers are those who keep posting pictures of themselves and their friends wearing them. You don't think that you Arabs Did It conspiracy theorists would have any pictures of 9/11 sceptics wearing such a stupid hat do you? Of course not!
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 6:45am [+]

What are "Arabs Did It conspiracy theorists????"
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Mon Sep 11, 06 7:50am [+]

What's the connection between PNAC and the government?
by Applerod on Mon Sep 11, 06 9:27am [+]

Voted : Big difference
The Nazis had cooler unis.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Sep 11, 06 10:11am [+]

... and eyewear
by mojo on Mon Sep 11, 06 10:33am [+]

Tom's list of PNAC members above is totally unrepresentative of the facts, and leaves out the main movers and shakers that have infiltrated top positions in the amBush administration.

Signatories to the 1997 PNAC founding statement included Jeb Bush (Governor of Florida and brother of Mr. George Bush), Dick Cheney (now Vice-President), Donald Rumsfeld (now Secretary of Defence), Paul Wolfowitz (author of the 1992 draft and now Mr. Rumsfeld's deputy) and I. Lewis Libby (Chief of Staff of Mr. Cheney).

Other members who in the 1990s subscribed to PNAC statements include Robert Zoellick (U.S. Trade Representative), Richard Armitage (Deputy Secretary in the State Department), James Bolton (Under Secretary in the State Department) and many others.

In other words, the members of PNAC are like a "who's who" list of the most powerful members of the Bush Presidency who have, as one commentator described it, "a lock on policy-making".
by Ken_from_Dublin on Mon Sep 11, 06 10:56am [+]

Jinn:

It wasn't just a picture of one Nazi...

IC_tune
by cranky on Mon Sep 11, 06 10:58am [+]

Ken can we see that PNAC founding statement? I didn't know Jeb Bush or Donny Duck Rumscock signed it. If you have a link to see it that would be very cool and very enlightening
by TomSmith on Mon Sep 11, 06 5:53pm [+]

i should add, bostonian, that the user "lovelynice" is also known as "tank_girl", "coldcircuit", and "meteor7" amoung others, and is most likely ken himself.
by neothe1 on Mon Sep 11, 06 6:33pm [+]

"If so he should be given a medal."

except that he's failing.
by neothe1 on Mon Sep 11, 06 6:34pm [+]

Von Weichs wasn't a member of the SS, he was a career army soldier.

He wasn't a Nazi either.
by DingleDUNG on Wed Jan 23, 08 8:35am [+]






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