COMMENTS:
Years ago, in my neighborhood lived a woman who had two sons. One was gay; one was straight. The gay brother was a successful, upper middle class architect, who lived in California. The straight brother was a garage mechanic, who had trouble holding a job, and eventually ended up, in middle age, living with his mother.
When I was in middle school and high school there was a set of fraternal twins, two brothers. One was gay, the other straight. The gay one was artistic, sociable, and academically gifted. The straight one was a hostile juvenile delinquent, bully, and underachiever.
I offer these examples as anecdotes only. However, they are interesting.
Utter nonsense gays are just as vicious,ignorant,hateful,greedy and corrupt as straight people.These qualities are a part of the human condition and no group is ammune to them.Alexander the Great was gay or atleast bisexual but that did not stop him from conquering the known world and enslaving it's people.
"The average gay tends to be far more intelligent, compassionate and wise than the average straight person, evidenced by the fact that they earn far more than the average hetero, and they have had an impact on the world's arts and literature throughout history that is very disproportionate to their percentage representation in the population."
I don't know if you can infer that, as a percentage of the population, gays are naturally smarter, compassionate, or wise, than the hetero. After all, your sexuality doesn't determine your intelligence, nor do your genes determine how compassionate or wise you'll be. It's as if someone could make that claim on the basis of race (which is a fallacy).
Besides which, necessarily compassionate? Even gays in say, Germany don't accept Turkish gays. Gays in Toronto don't always accept gays who are of a visible minority. I find this arguement a fallacy.
Gays and Lesbians are no better or worse than the rest of us heteros.
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 11:44am
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Voted : No
"The average gay tends to be far more intelligent, compassionate and wise than the average straight person, evidenced by the fact that they earn far more than the average hetero"
how can you possibly know that??
It's common knowledge, google it and you'll find it to be true.
"It's common knowledge, google it and you'll find it to be true."
No, it's not, and I don't have to google that to know it's not true. I like you, but that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard you say."
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 12:42pm
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Odd, the ppl who vote yes didn't leave a comment
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 12:42pm
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besides which, if it were common knowledge, we wouldn't have to google it, now would we?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 12:44pm
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Aya is right. That's bollocks as all cliches are. What you said is but the laudatory version of "they are filthy, disease infested fornicators". Some of them certanly are more successful than heterosexuals and other arent. End of story.
Too many things wrong with the premise and structure of this ballot to comment.
One question though. If gays are so superior to us hetero's, why dont you date gay guys?
^cause he ain't gay
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 12:59pm
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why not though? He obviously finds gay guys better in everyway to heterosexual women. Why settle for the worse option?
Are you THAT against bum sex Ken?
^hey lil_ape, I don't think I'd be against it. Ha! ha!
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 1:24pm
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^Well, much as it would pain me, I guess I could give that to you Aya.
Lets make one thing clear though, I doing it purely for your benefit, ok. you owe me, right?
so when are you available?
^hmm..you bring the whips and the chains, I'll bring the whipped cream.
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:00pm
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besides which, if it were common knowledge, we wouldn't have to google it, now would we?
by aya
Who is 'we' Aya - that was a message to Seamus.
Okay, let me qualify it - it's a known fact, is that better?
^but you directed that to all of us, didn't you?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:16pm
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Is this less about how gays are better than the rest of us heteros are more about how people shouldn't gay bash?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:17pm
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Again, why didn't the three who voted yes, and three who voted no comment?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:18pm
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Just found all this within seconds of googling on advance search 'gays earn more';
"Gays earn more and are more likely to live in upscale areas than the average American."
-Jewish world review
"....gays earn more than straights For decades now..."
-Afa journal
A recent survey indicated that gays earn more than straight people in most professions ranging from the arts to showbiz. In fact they are the acknowledged ...
-Daily Times
One reason that the gay adult niche is an outstanding business opportunity is because gays earn more than straights and have high disposable incomes. ...
- Platinumsponsors
Research shows that most gays earn more than average and have high disposable income ,
- Aardvarktravel .com
In fact, gays earn more per person than almost any other demographic ...
Ebaumsworld
"In fact, gays earn more per person than almost any other demographic ...
Ebaumsworld"
Ebaumsworld is a website where people upload funny shit and laugh at it. The 26 year old creator, by the way, steals stuff from other websites, that's why he gets death threats. I wouldn't trust much coming from that guy.
As for gays earning more, does that naturally mean they're more intelligent? If white men earn more than black men, does that naturally mean they're more intelligent? Or are there other factors?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:30pm
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here is an interesting article I found:
The myth of gay wealth
You've heard it all before: Gays and lesbians are more affluent than straights.
But common sense tells us that a gay-magazine study shows us about as much about the average gay consumer as a Vogue reader survey tells us about the average American woman. The truth is, most women don't read Vogue. And most gay people don't read the gay press. In fact, most people don't read newspapers!
you can read the rest at planetout.com
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:32pm
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here's more:
So here's a quick deconstruction to bear in mind the next time you hear someone touting our community's alleged disproportionate wealth.
First of all, remember that the media likes to focus on extremes. And when it comes to gay and lesbian income, we only look affluent in comparison to heterosexuals when you play games with words and numbers.
Indeed, a common trick used by reporters at the Associated Press as well as the Wall Street Journal is to compare gay households alongside straight households. The operative words of course, being "gay" and "household." When they say "gay," they are usually citing gay male income figures -- otherwise they would say "gay and lesbian" like they usually do in most other articles. But it is only by conveniently leaving out the word "lesbian" that their stories are able to support their bogus media logic.
As any sane person who can add knows, men in virtually any household will always have a higher combined income than a married straight man and woman, because men earn more than women! If reporters looked at lesbian household income, they would find that it tends to skew below straight household income -- because women earn less than men.
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:38pm
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Ebaumsworld
I knew you'd latch onto that and ignore the rest, cherry picking won't change the fact Aya....
That gays DO earn more.
^but, does that mean they're more intelligent?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:38pm
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"Gays earn more and are more likely to live in upscale areas than the average American."
-Jewish world review
"....gays earn more than straights For decades now..."
-Afa journal
A recent survey indicated that gays earn more than straight people in most professions ranging from the arts to showbiz. In fact they are the acknowledged ...
-Daily Times
One reason that the gay adult niche is an outstanding business opportunity is because gays earn more than straights and have high disposable incomes. ...
- Platinumsponsors
Research shows that most gays earn more than average and have high disposable income ,
- Aardvarktravel .com
No mention of any lesbians, and OF COURSE gay men living on their own will have more than any straight man and women living together. that doesn't mean gay men are more intelligent
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:41pm
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You can cut and paste all night Aya, but it still won't prove that black is white.
They earn more - known and accepted fact as I just demonstrated.
I'm done on this ballot. BYE. 
Thanks Ken, you weren't able to answer my questions, as you have demonstrated, haven't conveyed that they're more intelligent, compassionate, etc. Now everyone knows that your ballot is false, thanks
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:44pm
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""The average gay tends to be far more intelligent, compassionate and wise than the average straight person, evidenced by the fact that they earn far more than the average hetero"
how can you possibly know that??"
But you didn't answer the rest of Seamus's questions, how can you know they're more intelligent, compassionate, etc?
by aya on Fri Nov 03, 06 2:51pm
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I would say no you absolutely can not prove that homosexuals are any better in any facet than heterosexuals.
Voted : Yes
i think what ken is saying is that statistically, as a group, a very high percentage of gay men tend to pursue advanced degrees and tend to be high income earners.
in terms of being more intelligent, i don't know about that. people with advanced degrees are often viewed as being highly intelligent. i don't really want to get into this. all i will say is that my straight male friends seem to have less disposable income, tend to have a bachelor's and not a masters or a doctorate, where as most of my gay male friends have mba's, phd's and are lawyers, in med school, are already cfo's, vp's, stuff like that.
i have no idea if there are actual stats on any of this though, so i'm not making any statement, just sharing my personal experience. as for lesbians, they tend to not be as affluent as gay men. again, i don't know why. but being that i'm gay, i hope you'll all respect that i'm only speaking from personal experience in the "gay world" (what ever the heck that is).
of course as for the ballot question, my vote speaks for itself.
It is a myth ken. One that was propagated initially by gays. It isn't true. It doesn't surprise me that your response is to "Google it" as if finding something on the Internet makes it true. Like the 9/11 conspiracy?
Gays and lesbians generally have more disposable income than that of their heterosexual peers. Why? Because most of the time they don't have any kids.
Voted : No
I doubt it...
It is a fact and it is perfectly understandable in my humble opinion, I haven't read this anywhere, but this is my take on it.....
....of course gays aren't genetically predisposed to be more intelligent or more ambitious than heterosexuals, what is actually happening is that they are simply over compensating intellectually and creatively to deal with a social and cultural nightmare, marginalised and discriminated against as they are, there is only one way for them to prove to themselves and others that they are worthy to live as equals among us and that is by do or die high achievement and success in life , a 'don't get mad - get even' reaction against a school system and society that discriminates against them.
Back in the early to mid 90's the Wall Street Journal published an article about this. They were examining a marketing campaign by Toyota, where in Australia, Toyota published ads with two men, a dalmation and one of their vehicles. Disposable income being the reason for the campaign.
The Wall Street Journal released these statistics of average household incomes:
Homo $50,000 plus
Lesbian $40,000
White Male $30,000
etc...
Are gays smarter? Don't know about that... but I believe they are much more likely to attend University, I did, my brothers did not. Gays are also much more likely to take advantage of job opportunities in other cities, not having to uproot family.
For me personally... my two brothers have respectable incomes of around $65G a year. I was making double that by the time I was 29yo.
I also relocated, advanced, to several different cities with my company.
^concerning crankys comments... one of my brothers I speak of... my straight identical twin. My personal statistics also holds true for most of my gay friends and their siblings.
by MO_ on Sat Nov 04, 06 5:58am
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And as to smooth-d's comment in the ballot portion... try being a closeted gay adolescent raised in a rural, conservative, heterosexual community... you have no comprehension of being forced upon or "in your face".
by MO_ on Sat Nov 04, 06 6:08am
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basically what i said mo. i don't think i conveyed it as clearly as you did.
And as to smooth-d's comment in the ballot portion... try being a closeted gay adolescent raised in a rural, conservative, heterosexual community... you have no comprehension of being forced upon or "in your face".
by MO_ on Sat Nov 04, 06 7:08am
what do you mean "try." smoothdiamond is a closet case. he's gay but is so repressed that he lashes out at gay men that are out because he's jealous ;)
MO_
"one of my brothers I speak of... my straight identical twin"
Just occurred to me, isnt that in fact evidence that Homosexuality is NOT genetic?
^lil_ape, That was my thought 20 years ago... It confused me... I am confident in our sexualities being opposite. Until a friend of mine, a highly respected gynecologist, whom helped develop and specialized in the process of 'sperm washing'. I confronted him with this question. He patronizingly explained that identical twins separate from one egg within 1 to 9 days of conception. He is a firm believer that it's not the egg or sperm that creates homosexuality, but early stages of development... we were two separate individuals at this point. I have 7 gay friends that are also identical twins, only two of the 7 are both twins gay.
by MO_ on Sat Nov 04, 06 8:49am
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'...isnt that in fact evidence that Homosexuality is NOT genetic?
by lil_ape
100% of all humans who ever lived and ever will live will be conceived in the womb as a female, that is why all males have uesless milkless female nipples lil_ape, the sex of the foetus is only determined about six weeks into the pregnancy, when the male/female gene is switched to on.
We are in fact all asexual for the first six weeks of our existence on Terra Firma.
existence on Terra Firma.
"100% of all humans who ever lived and ever will live will be conceived in the womb as a female"
"the sex of the foetus is only determined about six weeks into the pregnancy, when the male/female gene is switched to on."
These comments show all the scientific understanding of a gnat.
The gender of a baby is decided at the moment of fertilization by whether the fertilizing sperm is carrying an X or Y chromosome. That's it - nothing can change the sex of a baby after that moment - it is set, decided and unchangeable.
To claim that sex is undecided until six weeks is the most laugable thing I have heard in a long time and, as it happens, totally and utterly irrelevant to the ballot.
Sexual orientation has no bearing on fitness for public office, good or bad.
Wrong again WHOK, and nothing to back up your top of the head expediency, what use are nipples to you as a man? - apart from the nipples on your siamese twin Wolf_Nipple_Chips?
All foetuses are asexual until sixweeks after conception, if the male gene is turned on after this 'gender quarantine period' as I would call it, the nipples are rendered useless, and the ones we men have are relegated to mere birth marks or the benign scars of potential - but lost - femininity.
At no point is the sex undecided, Ken. Gender is set at fertilization by the sex gene that the sperm carries.
If the fertilizing sperm is carrying an X chromosome the individual will ALWAYS be female, if Y it will ALWAYS be male.
Humans do not start life as female at to suggest so demonstrates your total and untter ignorance in this matter.
The effects of sex chromosomes are not seen until around 6 weeks but there is absolutely no sense in which sex is decided at this point.
Check your facts - clearly you haven't understood what you have read.
"All foetuses are asexual until sixweeks after conception, if the male gene is turned on after this 'gender quarantine period' as I would call it, the nipples are rendered useless, and the ones we men have are relegated to mere birth marks or the benign scars of potential - but lost - femininity."
Oh my god, no you can't be that ignorant, can you? Is this just a massive ploy, like the conspiracy nonsense, to get attention?
Your gender is determined at conception, you either inherit an x or a y chromosome from your father, and that's that.
XY leads to a production of testosterone which stimulates male development, and the effects of this arent seen until later, perhaps that's where you got confused. But at no point are you genderless, unless you are suffering some pretty severe genetic defects.
I wonder if the same scientists who "proved" that the world trade center could not have collapsed also "proved" that gender doesn't come about until 6 weeks of age?
Simple fact herzog, nipples have no use for men, male/female gender isn't determined until the gender gene is switched on at approximately 40 days into the pregnancy.
Men have nipples because we germinate within our mothers. This means that we all, ultimately start out as females. It isn't until later in the growth cycle that we become male, or stay female.
-source
Anthropolgy: Culture and Relationships.
By: Ember & Ember
It is impossible to become anything other than a male if the fertilizing sperm carries a Y chromosome.
You are confusing the lack of sexual characteristics in early stages of development with uncertainty of gender.
Embryos are NOT conceived nor develop as female unless they ARE female.
Next time you quote someone about gender make sure they are a biologist and not a rampant feminist anthropologist far out of her depth.
Men have nipples because we germinate within our mothers. This means that we all, ultimately start out as females. "It isn't until later in the growth cycle that we become male, or stay female." -KFD
"Next time you quote someone about gender make sure they are a biologist and not a rampant feminist anthropologist far out of her depth." WHOK
That quote was from a man.
I rest my case.
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