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SHOULD TEACHERS INCLUDE THE GERMAN SIDE OF THE HOLOCAUST?


[+] serious ballot by cranky
ACTIVE Nov 22,2006 - Mon Aug 17, 09
Rightwingers decry the elimination from schools of the positive myths that have traditionally surrounded Thanksgiving. Teachers now sometimes include the truth about the European migration that led to the genocide of millions of native Americans and the loss of millions of acres of land. They complain that the "dark side", i.e. the crimes, of the native Americans should also be taught to schoolchildren.

If one accepts the rightwingers logic, then in teaching about the Holocaust, shouldn't teachers be required to teach about the crimes - the "dark side" - of the Jews, that may have contributed to the hostility of the Germans, many of who were convinced they were defending the Fatherland?

Yes, absolutely, despite the disparity between the two 32
No, that seems trivial in comparison 6
They should teach history. 6
I'm a neocon. I believe in fair and balanced righwing education 0

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Voted : No, that seems trivial in comparison
Every lifeform has a dark side, so I don't doubt that there might be something that could be dredged up against Jews. But *nothing* that *anyone* could possibly do merit what the Jews suffered in the Holocaust.

by Truthseeker013 on Wed Nov 22, 06 4:44pm [+]

And, as for those frelling morons (indicating pic), I wish to Deity that I could raise my grandfather from the dead, and let him regale them with the horrors he saw when liberating concentration camps.
by Truthseeker013 on Wed Nov 22, 06 4:45pm [+]

Voted : No, that seems trivial in comparison
Ever read Elie Wiesal's "Night"?
by skylab on Wed Nov 22, 06 5:06pm [+]

The genocide and slaughter of Native Americans happened as did the genocide of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled, various other non-Aryan people.

As far as this ballot is concerned, I have trouble understanding the point you are trying to make and if you are trying to make one you are doing it in a very poor manner. The other thing I will say about this ballot is rolleyes
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Wed Nov 22, 06 7:18pm [+]

^Probably a response to a Herzog ballot, I would guess.
by skylab on Wed Nov 22, 06 7:43pm [+]

First, What is the 'dark side of the Jews you speak of?
Second, NOTHING can justify the slaughter of another race.
Third, IF there is anything that has happened in the past, and it is true history, it should not be covered up.
Last, butchering innocent men, women, and children had nothing to do with 'defending the fstherland.'
by xhiker on Wed Nov 22, 06 8:00pm [+]

^Fatherland. sorry...typo
by xhiker on Wed Nov 22, 06 8:01pm [+]

Wow, great question.

I would like to see why it was that the Germans were hoodwinked so supremely by the Nazi Party taught in school.

My brother is a history teacher specializing in Nazi Germany. He frequently says that the real lessons to be learnt are those from the other side. The motivations, techniques and justification for pure evil can teach us a lot about human nature.

Should we be sympathetic to the pre-war Germans? Certainly to the everyday person on the street who was brainwashed into believing the most dreadful lies about Jews (paralleled beautifully today with current attitudes of most Americans towards Muslims). But we cannot be sympathetic to the engineers of the hatred and death.

Without teaching 'the german side' of the holocaust you lose a great deal of substance to the lesson that can be learnt from the horror.
by wideheadofknowledge on Wed Nov 22, 06 10:30pm [+]

Voted : Yes, absolutely, despite the disparity between the two
Couldn't have put it better than Widehead.
by nuckinfutz on Wed Nov 22, 06 10:48pm [+]

They should teach history.

There is a lot to be said for an education if we teach facts and not re-write history in text books to brainwash people.
Textbooks distributed in the US public schools are products of the agenda of the US Dept. of Education (DOE).
Each year, DOE establishes directives to publishers for revision and only approves for distribution materials that meet their expectation.

That said, the subjective material is not focusing on the historic facts or teaching an account of what happened.
The material manipulates history to invoke emotions and brainwashes each new generation toward political idealism promoting patriotism, citizenship and unquestioning loyalty to government.

Ritualistic pledges of allegence and structured social programming that honors those who follow blindly and ridicules to shame anyone who questions their means and don't conform.

Proof of this is posted right here in the ballot and in the comments.

first, the question address' the conflict between german and jew.

and the comments,
"...merit what the Jews suffered ..."

"...the 'dark side of the Jews.."

"...believing the most dreadful lies about Jews..."

Fiddle is the only one I see here who expressing an accurate understanding about the holocaust.

The educational system established this mindset that "the holocaust only targeted the jews, the jews were the only ones it affected, the jews died in the camps, the jews...." Repeatedly.

I've posted before that the germans targeted all non german people for relocation and elimination!!

But the educational system has so engrained in our minds it was the jews who suffered, that though I post it here again, it won't change the emotional sympathy we have for the jews, when that sympathy should be towards everyone but the germans (NAZI's).

Why has our educational institutions brainwashed us to believe WWII was about the jews? Why do we only sympathize for the jews?
Why don't they teach historic facts and give all perspectives and accounts so the reader can form an educated oppinion instead of telling us what they want us to believe? More on that later.

WWII was not a war wage by Germany against the Jewish religion (not a Nationality of people).
Germany wage war against every race, peoples, culture and nationality that was not German.

by passiveson on Thu Nov 23, 06 4:55am [+]

What 'Widehead" said.
by xhiker on Thu Nov 23, 06 6:22am [+]

^I think any good history would mention that Jews were merely the focus of a larger problem, the German "master race" theory, which in turn was part of an international problem that existed in the US and elsewhere. Still, Jew were singled out more than the rest.
by skylab on Thu Nov 23, 06 10:21am [+]

^ Agreed
by passiveson on Thu Nov 23, 06 12:30pm [+]

Voted : Yes, absolutely, despite the disparity between the two
Damn the swastika, I'm terrified of pink triangles!!!!!!!! They make me look fat and somewhat tooty-fruity!
by Guest User from [69.149.212.15] on Sat Mar 17, 07 8:18am [+]

If we do not teach history in it's entire truth - from both sides - then we are certain to repeat it.
by Guest User from [58.70.6.14] on Wed Mar 21, 07 7:53pm [+]

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