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I guess maybe I am clueless, but it seems to be civil war. Why then are they attacking each other at places like mosques or markets?
Voted : Civil war
Revenge.
Voted : ???
Insanity? Hate? Rage? Total bloodlust? You'd have to go over there and ask them about it. I'd join you, but I like living.
I'm just guessing here that the level of hatred between the two groups has reached epic proportion, evoking vicious and barbaric attacks against each other. My position is for the coalition troops to get out of the way and let the two combatants fight it out, excellent ballot question.
Because the Chimp ousted the local dictator, leaving behind a power vacuum.
"Because Islam is a religion of hate and intolerance...not peace."
Thankfully, people like Jinn the Kafir are filled with love and tolerance.
Some countries are better off with a dictator, it seems.
Yes Cranky.
I am against doctrines of hate. But I show no intolerance towards anyone or any group of people because of that. In fact I love all humanity irrespective of their false beliefs. Hardly can you call a person like me intolerant. However, I notice that certain people cannot tolerate my right to think independently and express myself. Your sarcasm is an example of your intolerance toward me. You did not, nor could not address my vote choice directly, but instead chose to mock me personally.
Yes, I fight against hate. Islam is a religion of hate. I am against it because of that. And thus fight against Islam because of that. I am not fighting against Muslims. I fight against the doctrine of hate that has created them, making them both the victims and the victimizers for the last 1400 years.
Would you consider me intolerant if I criticised Nazism? I am against Nazism because it too is a doctrine of hate. Likewise, I am against Islam because it is a doctrine of hate. The former advocated the supremacy of a race the latter promotes the superiority of a religion. They both used violence to advance their objectives and they both had no respect for human lives and their rights. They both believed that since their ideology is right it is okay to kill people and the end justifies the means.
Islam's founder Muhammad tought that killing others was acceptable in order to advance his Islam. Something he did "religiously" himself when he was alive. Muhammad once said "I have been made victorious with terror". On his death bed, one of his last requests to his followers was that they continue his fight to Islamize the entire world and rid it of infidels. If I am intolerant toward such teachings then yes, I am guilty as charged. True, it is disrespectful to insult people, but beliefs are not people. If Muslims don't like what I have to say about Islam that is not my problem. Perhaps it is time they took a close look at their doctrine for themselves, before they lash out at its critics. Likewise you too should consider this for the same reason.
what um_yeah said, they are not ready for "self determination" yet...it akin to expecting a four year-old to be a mature adult...
It is truely amazing that people falsely believe that when dictator Saddam Hussein was in power there was somehow peace and tranquility. That there were no conflicts, wars, violence, kidnapings, disappearences, torture, terrorism nor mass killings in Iraq. Not only was Saddam a perpetual and ruthless mass-murderer of his own people throughout his rule, but he was also a constant threat and menace to his neighbors and the entire Middle East.
And if people want to believe that brutal force is necessary to keep a nation's people in line, then what does that say about the mentality of people that are being ruled over? We know this violent mentality being witnessed is not unique to to Iraq, but is constantly seen in virtually all predominantly Islamic states. Even Islamic states that are not occupied by any outside forces are plagued by such violence.
Why?
I don't recall anyone saying there was peace and tranquility during Saddam's "Presidency", there was not the chaotic turmoil on the level we are witnessing today. Except in modern times, leaders were similar to leaders in the animal kingdom, , that is, the ones that could were most capable of defeating any challengers remained in power until that was no longer true...even with more civilized populations with kings or monarchs things were brutal to send a message to anyone desiring to take over...compare that to docile voters who can't even be sure their votes are counted and an "overnite" "democracy were people are more prone to heed the instructions of the "local power structure than the elected officials which may be based on religious affiliations...and the desires of "invaders"...
Jinn:
How many times did you vote on this ballot?
Voted : Because Islam is a religion of hate and intolerance...not peace.
Cranky. Currently 18% of the votes are mine. Feel better?
By the way, in case you are interested, my vote entry has received a positive (5) rating from another user. Hope that doesn't bother you too much.
Now, do you have any questions regarding the ballot's topic? Do you wish to engage me with any discussion on the ballot's subject? Or is your only preference on this site to badger people with irrelevant comments and silly questions?
The answer to this question is complicated.
The Iraqi society is based very heavily in the 'eye for an eye' mentality, and there is very little forgiveness for transgressions, even those that may have occured quite literally hundreds of years before the present day.
Think about this for a moment, the United States has been in existence for what, 230 years or so? The Shiite/Sunni have been battling one another for more than 1500 YEARS!
Under Saddam the Sunni minority may have very well killed millions of Shiites during the decades they were in power. Therefore, given the payback mentality that is so prevalent, is it so hard to believe that revenge killings are going on?
Also, another thing to remember, we in the United States and in Western Europe live in a fast food, instant information, digital cell phone, internet society and we want results NOW, IMMEDIATELY, and the plain fact of the matter is this: the conflicts in Iraq are complicated and they aren't going to end any time soon.
Also, the minority who are actually attacking coalition troops are becoming masters of media manipulation. If you are going to give your life for your cause, what better way to do so than in the public eye, hiding out in a mosque or in a dwelling full of children or women, in order to maximize civilian casualties and bring about the typical uneducated response from the media about the horrors caused by coalition troops.
This doesn't make it right, this is just a comment about why things are the way they are in Iraq.
Voted : A society of retribution, nothing has changed lately, just more media attention
I'd personally say that christianity is a false religion, worst there is. The bible is a stupid book that has been written 400 years or so after the "birth of christ" and then re-written over and over again. Who says Muhammad butchered all in his path? Who says Islam is a religion of hate? Only you and a select few, Jinn.
What people see now days is a surge in Islamic fundamentalism instead of traditional Islamists. The difference is that Islamists strive for peace whilst fundamentalists are more direct and would stoop to violence to get their way and always have a political agenda. Fundalmentalists push for a sharia and an Islamic state which brings them into conflict with the conceptions of secular and democratic state, such as the human rights act, religious rights and equality between men and women.
Islam as a whole is not bad at all but what Jinn trys to make you believe is that all of Islam is evil when infact it is a few select individuals in a vast religion that brings it all down. Islam has fanatics just like Christianity has fanatical fallowers as well.
As for the ballot, Jappy is spot on with his comment.
*followers
How...is Christianity WORSE than Islam?
Sorry, but Islam is infinitely more intolerant and violent that Christianity, which for the most part is extremely docile and caring. The majority of charity donations come from Christians.
Not to say Islam is a religion of hate, because it isn't, but overall it's a lot less tolerant than Christianity is.
Read a history book mate then you'll see the "tolerance" of Christianity, does Hitler ring a bell? :P
It is fair to say that Islam and Christianity are as bad as eachother BUT Islam has not been currupted like Christianity has, the bible has been written and rewritten over and over again whilst the qu'ran has not.
Christianity is VERY hypocritical.
^No Spartan Hitler was not Christian, if anything whe man was more pegan, or athiest.
Islam is a very unforgiving religion, with it being said in the Qu'ran that if someone is caught stealing they have a hand cut off, and if they adulterate they should be killed. That isn't forgiving at all. People have to be given a chance to repent for what they've done, and a zero-tolerance policy like that is just immoral.
Plus, it's in the Qu'ran that non-believers are "evil", and that Muslims should not stop until everyone is Islamic, or dead. That's you or me. Therefore, Islam breeds extremism far more than any other religion in history.
On the other hand, Christianity is a religion of peace, unity, forgiveness, and kindness. Christians are renowned for being very kind and warm people, and Christianity suceeds where secularism has failed in providing a moral backbone for our society.
I might add that Christianity has not had such a violent history as Islam. And as for the Bible being rewritten, the main things required for being a good Christian remains the same.
LOL Christianity is not a religion of peace, unity and forgiveness. Not offence to you lemming but that is BS.
"I might add that Christianity has not had such a violent history as Islam."
christianity has had a far, far more violent history than Islam.
"the main things required for being a good Christian remains the same."
Yes butchering muslims, killing women for being witches and torturing men for not believing in god, THAT is what makes a good christian i'm afraid.
(To guest) Hitler was indeed a christian, denying Hitler being christian is like denying the war ever happened.
^sorry, but that's just wrong. It IS true that Christianity is a religion of peace; read the Bible, the 10 Commandments, ask any major religious authority - to be a good Christian you must be compassionate, kind, helpful, and must not do anything to intentionally harm anyone. Turn the other cheek. That is a FACT, if you want to look that up.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you should kill Muslims, burn witches or torture, it actually stricly says that doing this is EVIL. The crusades happened because the Catholic Church perceived Islam as a threat to Christianity (which it actually was btw) and so lashed out. Witch burning happened because of the superstitious, uneducated paranoid people who were just ignorant and misguided. As for torture, what?? Maybe a few individuals, but never torture on a mass scale.
Anyway Islam has had a FAR more violent history, and is still, in predominantly Islamic nations, violent, sexist, intolerant and racist.
On the other hand Christians actively oppose things like sexism, racism, intolerance, capital punishment - Christians are known for being extremely caring people. This is true for 90% of Christians - to say otherwise is not an opinion, it is actually just plain wrong. Islam actually PROMOTES this sort of thing though.
Basically Islam does breed violence and hate, and if you look into their teachings it really isn't hard to see why.
I don't hate Islam or anything, but it is true to say it is intolerant for the most part, whereas Christianity is the polar opposite.
Then you are blind to the truth Lemming. During the middle ages Islam posed no threat to Christianity, infact it was peaceful, muslims spent their time worshipping and living their lives in peace, the holy land under Islam was open to all faiths big or small however christianity wanted it for themselves and butchered their way to getting it because they deemed it THEIR holy place.
The spanish Inquisition tortured and murdered thousands of people, witch burning was extremely common.
As for the stupid ten comandements:
1) "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."
That means to believe in god and no other, to me that sounds like being a slave to his will not a servent.
2) "Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
The pope has broke that one already being that he is second only to god himself.
3) "Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..."
lol I can promise you that EVERY christian has sworn or taken the lords name in vain.
4) "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" (the version in Deuteronomy reads shamor, "observe")
Many christians don't celebrate that day at all.
5) "Honour your father and your mother..."
Many christians do i give you that.
6) "Do not murder"
LOL! Thats a joke considering most conflicts are started and fought by christians.
7) "Do not commit adultery."
Many christians don't.
8) "Do not steal."
This includes stealing in a non conventional sense, stealing from the land and earth and so on... everyone has done that.
9) "Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Don't lie basically, everyone lies about something in their life.
10) "Do not covet your neighbor's house"
Do not desire something that has been given to someone else, much like the US wanting Iraq's oil.
You see Chirstianity has broken 7 out of 10 of those comandements already.
"Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you should kill Muslims, burn witches or torture, it actually stricly says that doing this is EVIL."
And yet christians have done that anyway, to me christianity IS evil.
"Witch burning happened because of the superstitious, uneducated paranoid people who were just ignorant and misguided."
Don't you think that muslims in the middle east are uneducated, paranoid, superstitious and misguided? Can you see how that comment just bit you in the arse.
Muslims are indeed very caring people, they have their own red cross and other charities.
"Christians are known for being extremely caring people."
christians are also known to be very greedy people too.
I'll put a couple of questions to you:
1) If god exists why is their so much suffering in the world?
2) It is said that god loves everyone no matter what they are like so how come he sends people to hell? Surely if he loves them they would go to heaven.
3) It is also said that if you don't believe in god you WILL go to hell and it is said that he loves everyone, isn't that a little hypocritical?
4) Now i got to put this to you, how has Islam's history been more violent?
1: Not being a slave to His will, He deserves respect, and by preventing others from worshipping any other theoretical gods that may be perceived as more powerful/benevolent etc. He gets the respect He deserves.
2: That means don't make pictures or statues of God, and seen as the Pope hasn't done that he's fine.
3: It's more the thought that counts. If you don't mean to, don't want to, want to stop and really are sorry, it doesn't matter.
4: Lifestyles are just too hectic, people just can't manage it every sunday anymore...
6: When TRUE christians start a war, they make sure it is a just war. Bush is NOT a true Christian in any respect.
8: That means don't steal from people. Stealing from someone puts them in a great deal of hardship, as they have lost something they have worked hard for, while the thief gets something for nothing and doesn't care about the damage he's done. Stealing from the earth though? No-one's going to hell because we use oil in industry, or eat meat, or tear up weeds in a garden.
9: That means don't lie to get someone in trouble. If you lie about not doing your homework that's fine, but lying to get someone into trouble for something they haven't done is wrong.
10: That means don't be jealous of other people's stuff, as that can lead to unfair resentment of people or other forms of sinning. And that example is why the US is corrupt.
So no, around 90% of Christians have not broken the commandments.
And Christians have done it, what hundreds of years ago? Yes, those Christians were evil. But Christians right now, are literally the OPPOSITE of evil. They're the nicest and kindest people you will ever meet.
And yes, Muslims in the Middle East are uneducated, paranoid, superstitious and misguided. And what they are doing is EVIL. The problem with them is is that they go against many of their teachings themselves, so are evil in the same respect that Christians hundreds of years ago were evil.
And yes, I know Islam can be a very caring and compassionate religion. It's just that so many in the Middle East are nothing short of evil. Celebrating someone else's hardship is a sin. Therefore 90% of the Middle East sinned on 9/11.
And no, Christians are NOT known for being very greedy. A select few maybe, but generally no, that isn't true whatsoever.
Questions:
1: Because God is transcendant. He created a world within which to live, and gave us the rules we must live by in our short lives to get to a far better place. Aside from the occasional time when He must intervene, he lets us live on ourselves. We have to make our own choices so that He can see what kind of peopel we really are. There must be hardships as otherwise we would become complacent and immoral. We must overcome obstacles in the way He declares they should be overcome, and he can then judge us on how we behave in a natural, unbiased environment.
2. He loves everyone, but is greatly disappointed when people sin. He loves them because if they repent they no longer mean harm. However if they do sin they do not DESERVE his love and so are sent to hell.
3. When the facts are placed in front of you and a better lifestyle and ending is offerred to you, but you turn away, you don't deserve to experience heaven. He loves you, but if you do not love Him back then you don't deserve to have something when you have done nothing to earn it.
4. Generally the seemingly endless conflicts started by Islam, the many more wars they waged and the many wars they wage right now, and the violence many Muslims participate in right now.
"Then you are blind to the truth Lemming."
^ I'd just like to apoligise to you for the above comment.
There are statues and paintings of god and gods.
"When TRUE christians start a war, they make sure it is a just war. Bush is NOT a true Christian in any respect."
No war is just, that is true no matter how anyone thinks about it. You are right about the chimp though and it is tempting that the US itself cannot be called a true christian nation, the US is very war mongering in some aspects.
"That means don't steal from people. Stealing from someone puts them in a great deal of hardship, as they have lost something they have worked hard for, while the thief gets something for nothing and doesn't care about the damage he's done. Stealing from the earth though? No-one's going to hell because we use oil in industry, or eat meat, or tear up weeds in a garden."
Christianity as a whole is guilty of thatand many other faiths too. You can take from the earth if you are to give something back, however taking from the earth with nothing to give in return is stealing and is wrong. a bit of Pagan ideology there ;).
"Generally the seemingly endless conflicts started by Islam, the many more wars they waged and the many wars they wage right now, and the violence many Muslims participate in right now."
The war in Iraq was started by us but the war on terror was started by them, i'm afraid that history speaks otherwise and many of the wars in history was either Christians fighting Muslims or Christians fighting Christians.
"And Christians have done it, what hundreds of years ago? Yes, those Christians were evil. But Christians right now, are literally the OPPOSITE of evil. They're the nicest and kindest people you will ever meet."
Yes i agree with you on that but so are Muslims, many people certainly on this site just assume muslims are evil because of what happened with 9/11 (kinda like hating communists, no reason to hate them it just gives people someone to hate.) A tiny, tiny group of people out of millions decide to break the rules and bring the whole religion to it's knees. The people doing these acts of terror are evil not Islam nor any other TRUE follower of the Islam faith because TRUE followers of Islam are like modern day christians, good, honest, trust worthy and peaceful people.
"Yes i agree with you on that but so are Muslims, many people certainly on this site just assume muslims are evil because of what happened with 9/11 (kinda like hating communists, no reason to hate them it just gives people someone to hate.) A tiny, tiny group of people out of millions decide to break the rules and bring the whole religion to it's knees. The people doing these acts of terror are evil not Islam nor any other TRUE follower of the Islam faith because TRUE followers of Islam are like modern day christians, good, honest, trust worthy and peaceful people."
Yes, that is completely true, I think we can agree on that.
And yes, Christianity has done some very evil things in the past, but that's not to say it's evil now. Right now, it's the opposite. Much of Islam is just as good as Christianity, but Islam is the more aggressive religion at the moment. However, that IS because of the west right now (not christians, no way will I ever regard Bush as a christian), and what we've done to them. They are more aggressive, but not evil; many of them see it as doing the world a favour, and see it as a just war, where it is necessary and the lesser of two evils. They are ignorant, superstitious and uneducated as has been said before, they see the west as a tyrannic oppressor, something that threatens God's kingdom and his people, something that will not stop until there are no "true" believers left. They are aggressive as they are trying to save the world in their eyes; but, it is true that at the moment they are the more aggressive religion.
Yes agressive but not evil, i agree completely.
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