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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119732
if this was really true, why did this character kept his mouth shut for 20 freaking years?
I don't buy it. it's too convienient. If we are going to prosecute all the nazis, let's start with the Busch family and the schwartzneggers before claiming nazi sympathizers when someone stands against Jewish policies in Palestine.
by LCD on Fri Jan 19, 07 12:16am
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^ I rest my case.
When I look for nazi genocide, I don't go fishing around in Pro-nazi websites.
pleeeease!
by LCD on Fri Jan 19, 07 12:18am
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Voted : Oh no, Jimmy is a non-violent anti-semite
Not that bad, but I used to have such respect for the guy as a person, if not as a President. What went wrong with Jimmy? He's not playing with a full deck.
TO give this ballot some perspective, the person in question is Karl Linnas who had commanded a Nazi concentration camp at Tartu, Estonia. He is not some minor figure.
I have noticed that this information is all over the Internet. I'm not surprised either. If this turns out to be really what happened, I will be thoroughly disgusted. I am also not surprised that other powerful figures in government has done such things - Operation Paper Clip anyone?
An interesting side-note is that Jimmy Carter's attorney general has represented Karl Linnas along with other lovelies such as: Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadzic, former Liberian president Charles Taylor (on trial for war crimes), Nazi War criminal Jack Reimer, charged in the killings of Jews in Warsaw (now facing deportation) among others. One has to wonder why Carter picked this guy to serve any role let alone attorney general.
I am also not surprised in the least that Patrick Buchanan also rabidly tried to stop the deportation of Karl Linnas. Buchanan's anti-semitism, anti-gay bigotry and racism is well known and well documented. Here is Mr. Buchanan in his own words (from his autobiography): "There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." As with Ramsey Clark, how did this guy get to serve in the government?
LCD, this situation is not uncommon. Often it can take years for this information to come out. Also you throw out a red herring (actually several) by throwing out info unrelated to this particular case. Examine the individual case and read my comment. I have tried to give some history to this. If true, both political parties or least prominent figures are guilty.
"let's start with the Busch family"
I agree lcd they make horrible beer.
I will be flamed for this ballot but I don't much care. Ha Ha Ha Let's kill the messenger.
Looking at the votes so far it appears that you are correct. People passing judgment over this without waiting for the facts. The usual BULLS*T about the "Jewish media". You would think people would be a little more intelligent.
If you want to decide for yourself enter the phrase "Jimmy Carter Interceded on Behalf of Nazi SS Guard" into Google search function and read the various articles. Then you can choose to accept the validity of the story or refute it.
Voted : Red Herring served up by pro Jewish media
As for the source of this ballot:
"Arutz Sheva (Channel Seven) is a right-wing Israeli online media network identifying with Religious Zionism. It offers online news in English, Hebrew, French and Russian in three formats: written, internet radio, and internet television. The Israeli government has never granted it a license to broadcast, prompting charges of government discrimination against the right-wing, religious public.
In terms of politics, the station is considered far right wing, and religious zionist in its outlook, and is focused on Israeli nationalism. However, it has a strong American-centric feel, with most of its presenters originating in America."
Gee, what do you know, a radical, pro-Israel news organization - operating out of the U.S.!
And below is one of the helpful links from its website.
And what Israel is doing to the Palestinians amounts to apartheid, no matter how much he gets smeared by the pro-Israel lobby and media in the U.S.
Speak the truth, Jimmy!
And Woodrow Wilson was a famous supporter of the Klu Kulx Klan! He even wrote a book about it!
"Q: If Jimmy Carter had the power to do so, do you believe he would attempt to implement "The Final Solution" here in the United States?"
^ you have got to be kidding. ask yourself this -- how many brutal, murderous regimes has the united states supported, propped up and kept in power, even though we knew they were opressing and slughtering their own people? if you're gonna ask that question, i'm gonna ask that one.
read doctordraw's comment as another good example. i'm not buying this one at all.
^ not buying it meaning this ballot premise.
Looking at the votes so far it appears that you are correct. People passing judgment over this without waiting for the facts. The usual BULLS*T about the "Jewish media". You would think people would be a little more intelligent.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Fri Jan 19, 07 2:00am
^ no. its just that some of us wonder why we are only supposed to be outraged when it involves israel or jews in general. all of a sudden, jimmy carter goes from saint to sinner? come on.
why do some people get pissed when the results of votes in these types of ballots don't go the way they want them to? give people some credit -- if this is how they feel, that's just the way it is. personally, i think this is all b.s
As is typical for cranky, if you cannot refute the argument you attack the source. I see this all of the time from him. ALL of the time. Pretty sad way of arguing.
read this --
There were little warning signs but few were paying attention when George Bush the poppy ran for president in 1988 and 1992. First during the campaign it surfaced that one of his campaign staffers was a distributor of pro-Nazi propaganda. Before the ink was dry on the individual’s resignation, further revelations showed there were in fact a number of ex-Nazis on Bush’s campaign staff including Laszlo Pastor and Yaroslav Stetsko. Pastor was a member of the Hungarian Arrow Cross during WWII and served as an envoy to Germany. The Arrow Cross was known to be excessively brutal even to their Nazi allies. Stetsko served as the prime minister of the short lived Ukrainian puppet government. During the short reign of this puppet regime over 100,000 Jews were slaughtered in Lvov.
George Bush’s insensitivity towards victims of the holocaust is underlined by his employment of Fred Malek, a well-known collaborator with former Nazis in both his presidential campaigns.
Upon winning the presidential race, George Bush, the poppy placed his assets in a blind trust headed by his close friend William Stamps Farish III. That appointment should have triggered alarm bells that something very dark and sinister is buried in the Bush family’s past. His grandfather William Stamps Farish sold the Japanese the gasoline used in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Likewise, the elder Farish supplied Hitler’s war machine with oil and tetraethyl lead. George Bush’s father, Prescott was close friends with the elder Farish and remained so even after the elder’s testimony before congress provoked Harry Truman to cry out "This is Treason."
question -- if the bush family had the power to do so, do you believe they would attempt to implement "the final solution" in the united states?
found some more interestings stuff on line. guess we now all have to publicly decry pres. bush 1 and 2
9/27/88 -- The Boston Herald carries an Alan Dershowitz
column where Dershowitz reveals he has independent knowledge of
some of Bellant's charges. "I first heard about the presence of
Nazis in the hierarchy of the Republican Party as far back as
1970" In the course of working on the New York governor's race,
Dershowitz says he "learned that several members of a Republican
`Captive Nations Committee' were Nazi sympathizers who had been
personally involved in the Holocaust in Europe, as well as with racist and neo-Nazi groups in America."
Voted : Red Herring served up by pro Jewish media
Apparently it's okay for one group to "revise" history.
Israel has a media outlet?http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119732
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Q: If Jimmy Carter had the power to do so, do you believe he would attempt to implement "The Final Solution" here in the United States?"
the guy is a freakin Nobel Peace Prize winner, for god's sake.....
I am waiting for someone with equal credibilty come out and condemn what Carter has said so far.
by LCD on Fri Jan 19, 07 1:13pm
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Fiddle:
I'm not one of those "If it's there in black and white it must be true" types, I'll admit.
So we should automatically take, at face value, material coming from a right-wing, zionist, pro-apartheid group, that is incensed at Nobel Peace Prize winner, Jimmy Carter, because he had the gall to criticize Israel?
^And you're just still stinging at how I used to point out all the lies and distortions behind racist herzog's many hate-driven ballots.
Voted : Oh no, Jimmy is a non-violent anti-semite
By all accounts Carter is a pacifist so I don't see him throwning Jews into ovens however it appears that does harbor antisemitic feelings either consciously or unconsciously.
"As is typical for cranky, if you cannot refute the argument you attack the source."
Fiddle, you mean that isn't what you are doing by slandering Jimmy Carter for DARING to criticize Isreal?
As I said Google the phrase as it is not only "dirty Jew sites" reporting this.
You don't honestly believe if deemed true, leftist news organizations like CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times or CBS would ever cover this story? Of course not, that's why the Pelosi scandal been covered up via omission.
LCD you are aware the nobel prize is a sham with terrorists like Yasser Arafat as recipients.
Voted : Oh no, Jimmy is a non-violent anti-semite
Imagine for a second that bush used his powers to intercede on the behalf of a former SS guard, would any here support him? Yeah, I thought not. Hypocrisy is a bad thing folks, try to avoid it.
" the guy is a freakin Nobel Peace Prize winner, for god's sake..... "
So was arafat. I'm not sure whose nomination made the others look bad by comparison though.
Leftwing debating tactics:
1) always attack the source. It doesn't matter that it's reported across the entire news spectrum, from left to rightwing sites, find the one this particular user picked and attack it.
2) call everyone racists.
3) begin with "oh yeah, but bush did this . . . " and go in to a non-sequitur about how awful bush is.
4) Accuse everyone of being a shill for something: the republican party, big oil, the evil jews, etc.
5) The most crucial step, for gods sake never once address the issue. Once they get you involved in a real debate over the actual facts of the story it's all over, your leftwing ideology cannot hold up to such a strain.
Let's look at the facts.
Carter helped a former Nazi guard. He did so willingly and for no obvious political gain.
Nazi guards were bad people, so helping them is bad.
Now I know bush invaded Iraq, but let's focus on carter for a moment: is helping former genocidal dictators a good or bad action?
Jimmy Carter, throughout his life, has demonstrated an antipathy to Jewish people.
I think that his latest book is the most definitive proof of that.
Voted : Carter's not the sharpest tool in the shed but no antisemite.
The graphic reproduced for this ballot is absolutely hilarious...and so much on the mark.
Voted : Jimmy Carter is an honorable man no matter what his haters may say about him.
Leftwing debating tactics:
1) always attack the source. It doesn't matter that it's reported across the entire news spectrum, from left to rightwing sites, find the one this particular user picked and attack it.
2) call everyone racists.
3) begin with "oh yeah, but bush did this . . . " and go in to a non-sequitur about how awful bush is.
4) Accuse everyone of being a shill for something: the republican party, big oil, the evil jews, etc.
5) The most crucial step, for gods sake never once address the issue. Once they get you involved in a real debate over the actual facts of the story it's all over, your leftwing ideology cannot hold up to such a strain - Herzog
Come up for air Herzog, you race baiters can't handle the truth...When the truth is presented to you and the other race baiters, it is constituted as, attacking the source, calling you clowns racists, attacking your pathetic and useless president, and attacking the one of the most criminal organizations, the GOP...
You Zionist arse kissers can continue to attack Jimmy Carter, heck, most of you support Israel and Bush and with that said, I consider the source...
Keep telling it like it needs to be told Jimmy!
Babs: again, you're proving my point.
You called me a racist, you neglected to address the issues, you attacked the source, and you went in to a bizarre rant about bush and republicans.
Do you realize the irony of your statement?
But again I have to ask, how would you respond if bush were to let a nazi guard off the hook? No more misdirections, just answer the question.
And while you're at it go ahead and answer the question posed by this ballot as well.
I'll copy some of Kev's posts:
"There were little warning signs but few were paying attention when George Bush the poppy ran for president in 1988 and 1992. First during the campaign it surfaced that one of his campaign staffers was a distributor of pro-Nazi propaganda. Before the ink was dry on the individual’s resignation, further revelations showed there were in fact a number of ex-Nazis on Bush’s campaign staff including Laszlo Pastor and Yaroslav Stetsko. Pastor was a member of the Hungarian Arrow Cross during WWII and served as an envoy to Germany. The Arrow Cross was known to be excessively brutal even to their Nazi allies. Stetsko served as the prime minister of the short lived Ukrainian puppet government. During the short reign of this puppet regime over 100,000 Jews were slaughtered in Lvov.
George Bush’s insensitivity towards victims of the holocaust is underlined by his employment of Fred Malek, a well-known collaborator with former Nazis in both his presidential campaigns.
Upon winning the presidential race, George Bush, the poppy placed his assets in a blind trust headed by his close friend William Stamps Farish III. That appointment should have triggered alarm bells that something very dark and sinister is buried in the Bush family’s past. His grandfather William Stamps Farish sold the Japanese the gasoline used in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Likewise, the elder Farish supplied Hitler’s war machine with oil and tetraethyl lead. George Bush’s father, Prescott was close friends with the elder Farish and remained so even after the elder’s testimony before congress provoked Harry Truman to cry out 'This is Treason.'"
Clearly this gives sufficient proof that the Bush family are all Nazi conspirators. It follows naturally the we must oppose anything and everything they do or say because whoever authored this uncovered facts about the entire Bush family.
The argument I just made is a very far-fetched one, and the point this ballot is driving at is just as far-fetched. Accusations like these are not to be thrown around, and the story of one man whose credibility is questionable is not, in my opinion, sufficient proof to blame somebody for something like this. I have only been able to find this article on IsraelNationNews, or on sites that referenced it. I take neither the writing that Kev posted nor the article that LCB used as definite, credible proof. The credibility and possible biases of a source are very important when taking into consideration anything that the source has authored.
As to your "Leftwing debating tactics" (which, by the way, attack the debater(s), and not the issues being debated): is this entire debate not about the possible biases of the source of the book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid"? In a debate that is entirely about a book's source, to refuse to answer somebody's arguments because they attacked a source is to effectively deny them participation in the debate.
I'm a liberal, and have never once:
1.) called you or (that I can remember) anybody else on this site a racist.
2.) lapsed into non-sequiturs about Bush, despite my opposition to him.
3.) accused anybody (that I can remember) of being a "shill" for anything or anybody.
4.) refused to address the issue in this ballot.
Have a nice day O.o
Obviously if that were true then they'd be guilty as well.
However I do see a significant different between hiring a skilled individual because they have something to offer you, while failing to properly research his history, vs. working to help someone you know is an evil bastard for no apparent reason.
And babs is gone.
Oh, he's on Foxman's shit-list now.
After what he said about the treatment of the Palestinians, I just knew the dreaded "Nazi" tag would soon be applied.
Now only if you can link him cooperating with the Iranians...
Looks like this ballot has been fiddlefaddled.
Voted : Jimmy Carter is an honorable man no matter what his haters may say about him.
campaign to smear a nobel peace prize winner.
we see right through it.
by LCD on Fri Jan 04, 08 5:00pm
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"Looks like this ballot has been fiddlefaddled."
yes it has.
by LCD on Tue Jan 08, 08 4:14pm
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Geez, you conservatives are DESPARATE! Christ you have keep going back 20 years to bash because you're upset that Obama is ahead in the polls.
Why don't you remember that, Nixon was forced to resign because HIS own party found he was guilty of obstruction of justice. Ford pardoned Nixon. Bush Sr. pardoned the Iran Contra ringleaders, Bush reduced Libby's sentence for perjury.
Now those are REAL CRIMES!
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