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Voted : Yes, it seems they are working together
Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
russia is helping them iran too. snakes.
what you want to consider is that without the axis of evil speech, would North Korea be handing out nuclear secrets to other countries, just to be nice?
cause and effect kids.
by LCD on Wed Jan 24, 07 7:24pm
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LCD: so it's your hypothesis that North Korea decided on this course that will likely lead to a direct conflict with the worlds only superpower, because they were called names?
Meanwhile Pakistani gives nuclear secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya and they get billions in military contracts. What gives?
I agree those nations could pose some sort of military threat. I didn't criticize him for saying that; I criticized the impact of his specific phraseology, inside and particularly outside of the United States. Like "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists," it served to alienate us from much of the rest of the world including most of our allies.
This speech happened about a year prior to the invasion of Iraq. The U.S. lost popular support for the invasion partly due to the consequences of the speech/es. Support from (major) allies would not only would have helped militarily but would've diversified our political and strategic assets.
It's difficult to say how the situation would've played out with more global support, but I'm pretty sure it would have been better.
After the terrorist attacks of September 11th, most Americans felt scared or threatened, and angry. Our desire for revenge spilled from Afghanistan (rational) to Iraq (mostly irrational). The problem is our reaction was distorted by, among other things, outdated thinking by our leaders. We're not dealing with win-or-lose situations in conventional nation-states when considering terrorism, though we're rightly terrified by nuclear weaponry.
of course they would lcd. you can't be that unaware. i mean if you honestly believe that -- well, it's just absurd.
Voted : Yes, it seems they are working together
Oh, of course they are working together- and North Korea has always been the more technologically advanced of the two (thanks in large part to China).
LCD- so what you are saying is that when Bush suggested there was an axis, the North Koreans and Iranians heard it and thought to themselves: 'Oh, that sounds like a good idea, I only wish we had of thought of it.' Or do you believe it would be more likely that the two were already contemplating cooperation before Bush made the speech?
^Well, it undermined the efforts of the Iranian moderates who sought better relations with the west.
Does any of you know when this cooperation began ( was it after or before the 2002 speech)?
There are reports it went back as far as 1985. The Korea Institute for Defense Analysis report claims that Pyongyang sold 540 missiles from 1985 to 2000 to clients in Egypt, Iran, Iraq and Libya. It may have started earier.
Unconfirmed reports and quotes from a European defense official, huh?
Looks like my Halliburton stock will be going up.
Of course, whenever I'm looking for cutting-edge technological know-how, I'd enlist these bozos.
The US has made or exacerbated much of its foreign policy problems, over the past six years.
This is what happens when government is handed over to crooks, incompetents, and ideologues.
Voted : Yes, it seems they are working together
Still, call me when the following has occurred-
1) Either power has a viable targeting/delivery system
2) Well, that's it.
Truthseeker013
"Call me when either power has a viable targeting/delivery system."
Isn't it too late by then?
Truth: once they have nuclear weapons and a delivery system, what can we do to stop them?
To use a popular held belief that's like saying I'll worry about global warming after the planet over heats and dies.
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