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IS SMEARING OTHER B&W USERS BEHIND THEIR BACK COWARDLY?


[+] serious ballot by cranky
ACTIVE Feb 02,2007 - Wed Oct 28, 09
One particular user on B&W, who shall remain nameless (herzog) seems to be suffering from paranoia. Over time, he has put up a large number of self-pitying, cry-baby ballots, the main themes of which are two-fold: The first is "Waaah, waaaaah, I'm a victim," and the second is: "This un-named person is baaaaad!"

Interestingly, these personal attack ballots never name a person by name, although they are always directed at a specific B&W user. And even though the unnamed ballotmaker (herzog) doesn't confront them directly, he always drops enough hints so that you know who they are, yet avoids having to take responsibility (a theme in herzog's life?) for criticizing someone. Additionally, the ballot choices he puts up tend to ALL favor the ballotmaker and condemn the subject of the ballot.

So, my question is, is doing what this unnamed ballotmaker (herzog) is doing cowardly?

Cranky come out and finally admit it, you are in love with Herzog 20
Yes, blind smears are cowardly 17
No, girlfighting is considered manly in Texas 8
There are better ways to so your affection for herzog, cranky 3
Seeking affirmation and validation 2

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by LCD on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:27pm [+]

Voted : There are better ways to so your affection for herzog, cranky
Ah isn't this sweet a love letter ballot from cranky to herzog,it almost brought a tear to my eye.Does the constant bickering keep the romance alive cranky?MAG_rofl
by Corrupt on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:33pm [+]

And you're trying to tell me that these choices are *better* than herzog's? You're both engaged in a petty and useless conflict. I suggest letting it go. But hey, that's just me.
by himself809 on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:37pm [+]

By "both" I mean cranky and herzog. Just in case I was unclear :P
by himself809 on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:38pm [+]

^"And you're trying to tell me that these choices are *better* than herzog's?"

I was being a smartass.

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by cranky on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:42pm [+]

"There are better ways to so your affection for herzog, cranky"

How about a cowboy boot up his ass? He'd like that.
by cranky on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:45pm [+]

Voted : There are better ways to so your affection for herzog, cranky
Come on! You guys love each other.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:49pm [+]

^^ROFL!
by Corrupt on Fri Feb 02, 07 1:59pm [+]

Surely the aim of a ballot site is to let people with different opinions on subjects voice them. Herzog holds to a certain set of beliefs, you (Cranky) to another. If eveybody on BestandWorst held the same views about everything, it would be awfully boring.

As for Herzog being a coward I disagree. I am quite new to this site and have seen no evidence of this. If people disagree with his ideas or principles they can simply tell him in the comments box.
by winston on Fri Feb 02, 07 2:02pm [+]

^Yes, but isn't condemning someone in a ballot, without once mentioning his/her name, while making certain, through various "hints," that everyone knows who it is, a bit weenieish?

For example, in ballot 111865, herzog writes:

"IF A PARTICULAR USER USES THE SAME ATTACKS OVER AND OVER AGAIN,"

Note the use of the word "attacks" and the phrase "over and over again." "Attacks" makes herzog look like a victim, while "over and over again" implies he's being stalked. And that's just the title of the ballot.

"let's say this user refers to anyone she dislikes as a "race-baiter"

Note the designation has gone from the genderless "particular user" to "she," which is significant since there are so few females on B&W.

"(this is purely hypothetical),"

That's an out-and-out lie since the ballot is directed specifically at another B&W user.

Then note herzog's ballot entries:

"Yes, it is fair to ask for an explanation"

Heroic herzog is only asking for an explanation of why he's a racist. What could be fairer? Herzog's the good guy.

"No, those attacks are meant to be vague and without any clear definition"

So if this "hypothetical person" doesn't comply with herzog's manipulation then herzog's a victim and she's an aggressive stalker purposefully spinning her arguments. Once again, herzog's the good guy.

Then, in a comment, herzog writes "She also has not been blocked from my ballots (she did block my from hers)," which assists even more in identifying her, as all you need to do is go to herzog's user page and see who is ignoring him. But remember folks, it's just a hypothetical situation. LOL.

I guess my point is, wouldn't a real man just come out and confront the person, rather than use this spinsterish back biting?

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by cranky on Fri Feb 02, 07 2:28pm [+]

Voted : Seeking affirmation and validation
A sign of a self loathing, unconfident individual who fears confrontation because they're unable to qualify their position with facts.

This is a generic psychological assessment not directed at anyone peticular (Herzog).

And though Herzog might have racist ideals or characteristics, I think he's alright.

Cranky, Why do you dislike him so much? Even if he is or has racist qualities, doesn't he deserve the same respect and consideration for his opinion as everyone else?


by passiveson on Fri Feb 02, 07 3:02pm [+]

I couldn't in good conscience select one of your two choices Cranky. I do think Wah, Wah and character assassinatin ballots are cowardly, though now I'm a damn hypocrit, thank you very much.


DOH!
by passiveson on Fri Feb 02, 07 3:06pm [+]

Voted : Yes, blind smears are cowardly
In my almost nine years of online life, I've noticed the recurring pattern of people feeling free to attack, attack, attack under the Ultimate Cover of Anonymity, a user name attached to a not-always-detectable ISP in a world where said ISP can be masked through a free online surf site. It'll probably always be a fact of human life, as long as the 'Net exists in any form. Doesn't make it any fairer. Back when I hosted a chatrooom in Uncle Bill's Universe, I had a user who was an avowed racist, reveled in referring to me as "our esteemed n*gger host", and hosed threats and insults to all in the room. I happened to learn that said fine, upstanding citizen lived less than an hour southeast of me, so I asked him if he knew where a certain amjor mall in Atlanta was. When he said yes, I offered to meet him and discuss things with him openly. Seems he *didn't* know that we were so near to one another. Though he did agree to the meet, he ditched on me. The next night, I offered to meet him in Macon. Again, a no-show. Talk is cheap, as long as no one knows where you're doing the talking *from*...
by Truthseeker013 on Fri Feb 02, 07 4:08pm [+]

NewGirl:

A cowboy boot up the ass could be not nice, or verrrry naughty. It just depends.

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by cranky on Fri Feb 02, 07 5:57pm [+]

Passiveson:

"Even if he is or has racist qualities, doesn't he deserve the same respect and consideration for his opinion as everyone else?"

I think a closeted racist deserves the respect a closeted racist deserves.

What can I say?

I'm sure that herzog and I would agree that not everyone's opinion should be treated equally.

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by cranky on Fri Feb 02, 07 6:03pm [+]

I disagree, but you tend to bait him a lot, Cranky.
by aya on Fri Feb 02, 07 6:15pm [+]

Well, I've done the impossible! I got Cranky to agree with Herzog on at least one thing.

It's a start.
by passiveson on Fri Feb 02, 07 6:17pm [+]

Oops, wrong smiley
by passiveson on Fri Feb 02, 07 6:20pm [+]

Voted : No, girlfighting is considered manly in Texas
Not quite your favorite person?021
by skylab on Fri Feb 02, 07 6:51pm [+]

herz is ken's true identity.
by neothe1 on Fri Feb 02, 07 10:37pm [+]

^huh?
by Les6Hithe6Wins6Again on Fri Feb 02, 07 11:45pm [+]

Voted : Cranky come out and finally admit it, you are in love with Herzog
I still don't get how he could be "smearing other B&W users behind their back" when he made the ballot out in the open for everybody to see. It's not like he was talking privately and you somehow found out about it.

Another thing. He may manipulate the ballot choices, but at least he makes it so that you can add more suitable choices for your particular point of view.
by mysticalknight on Sat Feb 03, 07 1:14am [+]

^M.K.

He smeared another user on ballot 111865 but wasn't man enough to mention her name, and confront her directly. To me, that's cowardice.

Trying to create a lynch mob atmosphere towards this user, as this ballot was also trying to do, isn't very manly, either.

And he did NOT allow additional choices to be added to that ballot.
by cranky on Sat Feb 03, 07 6:10am [+]

Racist ballots created By Herzog = 0.

Those of you calling him a racist are making yourself look bad.
by Doctordraw on Sat Feb 03, 07 8:47am [+]

Voted : comment
You don't know what you are taking about DD, she is RACIST, bottom line. Now, you have the choice to disagree with that fact, I know a RACIST when I smell one.

As for my and others allegedly looking badly for stating the facts in the matter, I consider the source who would dare make and believe such a ridiculous assertion.

Herzog is a RACIST, period and if you do not find the mistruths and misinformation, the rabid dog searches with great zeal/zest of negative and disparaging information regarding people of color, adding her RACIST spin as well, (intentionally mind you, I would certainly be shocked to learn that she is unknowingly making such outlandish comments) offensive regarding people of color then I can only extract one thing from that, you too feel and believe the same and if so, your choice.

However, I will not ignore her RACIST comments for the sake that others here may perceive me as looking badly.

Herzog is a boil on the arse of society festering with hatred and I will continue to mop up the slime everytime she spew such RACIST rants out that sewer hole of hers.

Herzog's subtle/insidious and sometimes overt RACIST comments are insulting and uncall for and I will not walk by those hateful comments without putting her hateful and insensitive arse in check...
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes on Sat Feb 03, 07 10:04am [+]

draw is exactly the same.
by neothe1 on Sat Feb 03, 07 8:29pm [+]

BBC is right on the money.

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by cranky on Sat Feb 03, 07 9:36pm [+]

"Cranky come out and finally admit it, you are in love with Herzog"

*sob* It's true. I love herzog. Almost as much as I love Black Lava.

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by cranky on Sat Feb 03, 07 9:38pm [+]

OOPS. You got me there. I guess he didn't allow additional choices to be added to that ballot after all.

Despite being wrong about that one thing; I honestly think that he purposely made it easy enough for you guys to figure out who he was talking about by adding words such as "she" and "her" in the ballot description. So, I don't think it was cowardice of him to make that ballot.

It's kind of funny that he got this much of a rise out of you guys. I bet he's laughing at this ballot and all of the comments about him.
by mysticalknight on Sun Feb 04, 07 12:22am [+]

Who cares if she is laughing, she still is a filthy lil RACIST. Now, your pointless comment does not serve any constructive purpose to this ballot. You enjoy the company and friendship of a RACIST, surprise, surprise...

Rise you say, I doubt it very seriously, its because she can not get a rise is why she is so angry and hateful...She couldn't get a rise out of baking bread...

You two continue to enjoy whatever pleasures you both are getting out of her RACIST rants, I on the other hand will continue to put her RACIST arse in check...025 Ciao!
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes on Sun Feb 04, 07 8:11am [+]

Look at BBC, SHE is so smart and macho. You keep trying to put herzog's so called "racist arse in check" and you will be unsuccessful. You seem to be acting like some sort macho enforcer of this site that is gonna save everyone's day from the so called "filthy racists". WRONG! You aren't anything anybody should be afraid of because you can't even keep your own ass in check.
by mysticalknight on Sun Feb 04, 07 2:40pm [+]

Rather than making unfounded, irrational allegations against people (BBC, Neothe1), why dont you list some of Herzogs "racist" ballots?

Wouldnt that be a good idea?
by Doctordraw on Sun Feb 04, 07 4:16pm [+]

or, in time honoured liberal fashion, are you just letting your own prejudices' and insecurities rise to the surface?
by Doctordraw on Sun Feb 04, 07 4:18pm [+]

we're not liberals, bigot.
by neothe1 on Sun Feb 04, 07 8:50pm [+]

I'll take that as a yes then.

Moron.
by Doctordraw on Mon Feb 05, 07 3:17am [+]

we've been over this. liberals are central, idiots are right wing, rationalists like myself are left.
by neothe1 on Mon Feb 05, 07 7:28am [+]

Theres nothing "rational" about you and lot thats biggotted from what I've seen.

I would find you funny if I didnt suspect you were being deadly self delusional/serious.
by Doctordraw on Wed Feb 07, 07 1:26pm [+]

insults and faulty information, that's all you've got, all you ever have.
by neothe1 on Wed Feb 07, 07 6:10pm [+]

I reiterate, you started with the mud slinging, remember? I already pointed out your hypocricy on this matter on that other ballot, surely you havent forgotten already?

After your irrational outbursts of hysterical ad hominem accusations, do you expect me to respect you? You were fair game for insults from that point as far as im concerned. If you cant handle insults maybe you shouldnt dish them out so freely and undeservedely in future boyo.

Oh, and a "rationalist" believes in the power of logic and reason, not ad hominem attacks and denial of scientific evidence that doesnt fit with your personal doctine. THOSE are the characteristics that make you a liberal, the very antithesis of a rationalist.
by Doctordraw on Thu Feb 08, 07 4:16pm [+]

those characteristics would make me a conservative. you still only have lies. PPOR
by neothe1 on Thu Feb 08, 07 6:43pm [+]

Ahh, you have become bored with mindlessly throwly the racist lable about, reminiscent of an encaged ape flinging its faeces in frustration (in your case the restriction of mobility is apparently mental), and have now moved onto the timeless classic "liar liar". Well, theres only one way to deal with imbeciles such as yourself.

Back up your idiotic claims, and show me where I have lied please.
by Doctordraw on Fri Feb 09, 07 6:15am [+]

insults, lies, repetition, faulty information, flawed logic, etc. i've heard it all before, bigot, you're nothing new.
by neothe1 on Sat Feb 10, 07 7:58pm [+]

^ Maybe you've "heard it all before" because you keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again?

Anyway, that was hardly a reply to my comment was it? Sounded almost desperate.

You're done.
by Doctordraw on Sun Feb 11, 07 9:32am [+]

you proved you're a racist, but you have yet to prove that central and left wing politics are the same.
by neothe1 on Sun Feb 11, 07 8:50pm [+]

Racist? lol.

Yep, you're done.
by Doctordraw on Mon Feb 12, 07 3:03am [+]

that's a concession.
by neothe1 on Thu Feb 15, 07 10:05am [+]

^Thats an ego masturbating delusion.
by Doctordraw on Thu Feb 15, 07 10:49am [+]

^ Don't be so hard on yourself DD...
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes on Fri Aug 10, 07 2:45pm [+]

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