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MEXICO MAD AT US. DOES THIS STRIKE YOU AS HYPOCRITICAL?


[+] serious ballot by Kev24
created Sun Feb 25, 07
Mexican anger over US 'trespass'

Many Mexicans see the border barrier as offensive
Mexico's Congress has condemned what it says is a border violation by US workers building a controversial barrier between the two countries.

Legislators say workers and equipment building a section of the barrier have gone 10 metres (yards) into Mexico.

The alleged border violation comes ahead of a high-level meeting in the Canadian capital Ottawa.

US, Mexican and Canadian foreign ministers are to discuss border security and trade issues.

Mexican legislators said they had photographs and video, taken on Monday, of the workers and heavy-duty construction equipment that showed them about 10 metres inside Mexico near the border city of Agua Prieta and the town of Douglas, Arizona.

The Mexican Foreign Minister Patricia Espinosa said she had complained to the US authorities and that the men and equipment had been withdrawn.

Continental trade concerns

In a statement, the US Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza said: "The US is sensitive to Mexican concerns... has the deepest respect for the integrity of the sovereignty of Mexican soil".

He said US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had not been in the area of the alleged incursion and recent photographs of him welding a section of the fence had been taken in a different part of Arizona on the US side of the border.

The US says it is building 700 miles (1,125km) of fencing along its border with Mexico to stop illegal immigration.

Many Mexicans see the fence as offensive and say it will be ineffective and potentially cause more deaths in border crossings.

An estimated 1.2 million illegal immigrants were arrested in 2005 trying to cross into the US via the border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

About 11 million Mexicans are thought to live in the US, more than six million of them illegally.

Later on Friday, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is meeting her Canadian and Mexican counterparts - Peter Mackay and Patricia Espinosa - in Ottawa.

They are to discuss concerns that security measures put in place after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US may hamper trade between the three countries.

The officials will also look at co-ordinating responses to emergencies such as a pandemic outbreak of avian flu.


^ okay, no matter what your thoughts are on immigration -- be it legal or illegal, is this the height of hypocricy? mexico making a stink because we went a tad into their territory (keep in mind the fence is not on their territory -- the workers just stepped into their territory).

so give that mexicans pour across our border and given that mexican soldiers have actually crossed our border without permission, would you say this makes mexico --- once again -- look like a bunch of hypocrits?

yes, mexico is hypocritical 13
no. they're perfectly justified in their hypocricy 0

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COMMENTS:
Voted : yes, mexico is hypocritical
it never ceases to amaze me at how hypocritical their government is. i'm embarrassed for them.

they go to the united nations to complain about the fence, yet it's pointed out to them that they themselves have the harshest immigration policy toward their neighbors to the south -- in fact, mexico is notorious for having very heavy-handed arrest and detention practices for anyone crossing their border illegally. geesh! they really make asses out of themselves with this stuff.

by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:08pm [+]

"Legislators say workers and equipment building a section of the barrier have gone 10 metres (yards) into Mexico." Thanks for putting the yards in Kev, otherwise I would have had no idea what you were going on about. Whats a metre? ;)
by winston on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:11pm [+]

i have no idea. the point is, the fence is not over the border, the workers were. gee, sort of like how their people just stream across the border and mexico encourages it. see the point.
by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:13pm [+]

p.s. winston, i didn't write the article einstein ;)
by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:14pm [+]

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6390291.stm
by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:15pm [+]

meanwhile, we're making trade for them easier --

WASHINGTON - The news that Mexican trucks will be allowed to haul freight deeper into the United States drew an angry reaction Friday from labor leaders, safety advocates and members of Congress.

They said Mexico has substandard trucks and low-paid drivers that will threaten national security, cost thousands of jobs and endanger motorists on the northern side of the Mexican border.

The Bush administration on Thursday announced its plan to have U.S. inspectors oversee Mexican trucking companies that carry cargo across the border.

"This program will make trade with Mexico easier and keep our roads safe at the same time," Transportation Secretary Mary Peters said Friday. She announced details of the plan to let 100 Mexican trucking companies travel beyond the border area while she was in El Paso, Texas, at the Bridge of the Americas, which connects to Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.

Said Teamsters President Jim Hoffa: "They are playing a game of Russian roulette on America's highways."

Access to all U.S. highways was promised by 2000 under the 1993 North American Free Trade Agreement, as was access through Mexico for U.S. carriers.

That aspect of NAFTA was stalled by lawsuits and disagreements between the two countries, though Canadian and U.S. trucks travel freely across the northern border.

The Bush pilot project will let Mexican truck companies travel from Mexico throughout the United States and back. No hazardous material shipments will be permitted.

According to the Transportation Department, U.S. inspectors will inspect every truck and interview drivers to make sure they can read and speak English. They'll examine trucks and check the licenses, insurance and driving records of the Mexican drivers. Inspectors will also verify that the trucking companies are insured by U.S.-licensed firms.

The first Mexican trucks are expected to drive into the United States beyond the border area in about 60 days, the Transportation Department says.
by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:17pm [+]

"p.s. winston, i didn't write the article einstein ;)"

Noooo Ive been discovered...

Seriously though, I didn't know that mexican troops had crossed into the USA. If this is the case than they are being hypocritical.
by winston on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:24pm [+]

^ but you don't think that millions of their citizens pouring across our border is a problem? their police have pursued drug dealers into our country as well. that's not the point. the point is, mexico has very harsh immigration policies, yet they expect us to just sit by and allow an endless flow of illegals. that's just crap man.

how come they're borders aren't open? do you think they'd just let me stroll across and live off them? nope.

what country do you live in winston? would you be okay if another country tried to dictate your nation's immigration policy, and then come to find out that said nation has some of the most hard-line policies for their own country?
by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:28pm [+]

i should also point out that i tend to like open borders -- but i have an issue with the double standard of the mexican government.
by Kev24 on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:38pm [+]

I live on an Island mate. To be honest I do not know enough about Mexico and its immigration policy to have a strong opinion on the matter, nor do I live in the US, so I am not directly affected by Mexican immigration. You do make a strong point however, and yes I would be annoyed to find out that a country that dictates Britain's immigration policy was hypocritical.
by winston on Sun Feb 25, 07 11:38pm [+]

Voted : yes, mexico is hypocritical
VERY hypocritical
by mysticalknight on Mon Feb 26, 07 1:52am [+]

Incursions by mexican citizens into the US are disapproved of by US Authorities and formal complaints are lodged regularly with Mexican Officials.

It is not the Mexican Officials crossing into America that the US complains about, But Mexican Citizens.

In this case it is American Officials (or their representatives, I.E. the contractors) crossing into Mexico under US Authority. This is a bit petty on Mexicos part, to say the least, but hardly hypercritical to lodge a formal complaint just as we do. It's Politics!

You know American Troops are crossing into Iran to sabotage military targets and search for nuclear facilities, yet we bitch about illegal mexicans crossing our boarders. Doesn't that make us hypocrits?

A meter is equal to 39".
by passiveson on Mon Feb 26, 07 2:11am [+]

^ huge difference. this has nothing to do with iran. stay focused man! focused! the point is -- and obviously i need to stress it once again! that the mexican government is constantly whining about us not letting their citizens just flow across the border. and, read the other article i posted -- we're opening up trade routes to help them! and what do they do? turn around and bitch about 10 meters that was a mistake. surely you see how absurd that is.

you can't one day complain that we're trying to control illegal immigration, then turn around and go to the united nations about a fence on our ownw soil, then turn around and bitch that some contractors stepped on their side of the border.

use your brain man! ;)
by Kev24 on Mon Feb 26, 07 9:23am [+]

"About 11 million Mexicans are thought to live in the US, more than six million of them illegally."

God help you.
by Doctordraw on Mon Feb 26, 07 11:21am [+]

Voted : yes, mexico is hypocritical
In turn, we should demand that Mexico allows our trespassers free access to their healthcare and education systems.
by _Beelzebubba on Mon Feb 26, 07 12:20pm [+]

Kev, I think it's certainly relevent in supporting a position of Mexico'a hypocracy, when we're doing the same thing. I can't this position without appearing to be a hypocrit myself.
by passiveson on Mon Feb 26, 07 1:07pm [+]

^"...can't support this..."
by passiveson on Mon Feb 26, 07 1:08pm [+]

And, yes I do see how absurd it is, I stated so:

*This is a bit petty on Mexicos part,..*
by passiveson on Mon Feb 26, 07 1:10pm [+]

Voted : yes, mexico is hypocritical
If the American public as a whole had any clue as to the way Mexico handles its *own* southern border...
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Feb 26, 07 7:11pm [+]

Voted : yes, mexico is hypocritical
Certainly.

And look at the way they scream "human rights violation!" if we dare detain and deport their immigrants, when they regularly beat, rape and murder illegal immigrants coming in to mexico without bating an eye.
by herzog on Mon Feb 26, 07 7:19pm [+]

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