COMMENTS:
Voted : Yes
Those hicks need to get a life...seriously
Voted : No
Racism is alive and well, it's just out of vogue to be openly racist.
Buisnesses should boycott setting up stores in towns like this and if they do it should be veiwed as an endorsement of racism. We also shouldn't ignore that their are towns like ompton all over America where whites can't go after dark without fear of racist violence.
*Compton*
Voted : No
A lot of East Texas is still like that from what I've heard, but you'll also find that attitude in small towns in several other southern states.
Nope.
Just like I'm unsurprised that you have scoured the internet looking for one of the few instances of white on minority racism still continuing today, and ignored the majority of racism which is minority on white.
If Herzogwas here he would tell you the same, but you forgot to protect his right to freedom of speech, remember?
Voted : No
"A lot of East Texas is still like that"
I agree with this, but with "a lot" changed to "some."
Also, what Doctordraw said; however, I don't necessarily agree that instances of black racism toward whites is necessarily any more deserving of attention (although they both deserve significant attention) than instances of white racism toward blacks.
Voted : No
"modern" racism usually manifests itself under the guise of not necessarily being as such...I'm surprised no one has written a book on the "many subtleties" which I believe is designed to "slip" pass those not being "targeted"...then there are those people who are more "point blank"...
DD:
I'm sorry, but I don't accept your assertion of white racial martydom, which is so popular among some rightwingers.
And if Herzog was here, he would be still spreading his same message of racial hatred, and will be when he figures out a way to politic his return.
And since when is someone guaranteed absolute free speech on a privately owned web site (i.e. a piece of private property)? I strongly object to your apparent sense of entitlement, and feel that is taking the First Amendment to an untenable extreme. This isn't a public forum, and LCD was perfectly justified in punishing Herzog for his miscreant behavior.
Whether LCD is legally obliged to allow full freedom of speech on his site or not is besides the point im making here. Im referring to the PERSONAL distaste you (should) feel at the ill treatment of someone under the guise of a strawman argument of rule breaking, who, whether you consider him a closet racist or not, has never actually said anything racist (unless satirically) and thus is simply being excluded for ruffling feathers with his non-politically correct opnions.
Herzogs ill treatment should be an affront to your own sense of an individuals right to freedom of speech, regardless of the debatably tyrannical actions of the particular site owner.
Its about your own integrity and decency, its about principles. Its about the fqact that your conscience should be bothering the hell out of you for sticking the boot into Herzog simply because you dislike him, when you know that it was wrong to strip him of his maintainer priveledges.
Its about doing the right thing, and living with yourself.
How come cranky gets to constantly post klan images with absolutely no ramifications and herzog basically gets banned for far less????? Cranky, its almost like you are their publicist.
"I'm sorry, but I don't accept your assertion of white racial martydom, which is so popular among some rightwingers"
Im not a rightwinger, I just see whats going on in the real world, not the wool that the media and liberals have spun across my eyes whilst I doze, unawares.
"And if Herzog was here, he would be still spreading his same message of racial hatred"
Examples of Herzog spewing "racial hatred" in his comments please, or is is just easier to brand him a racist, rather than confront the unpleasant truths he often presents?
Tincan
Excellent point, and this isnt the first time Cranky has posted racist images that could attract neo-nazis to the site.
What are you going to do about this LCD? .. nothing? oh, ok.
Well at least Cranky will have the decency to campaign for the restriction of his own maintainer priviledges, for basically the same infraction he accuses Herzog of, right Cranks? Start with an e-mail to LCD demanding he remove your priviledges at once, then go from there.
Voted : No
I viewed the special report in 1993, and it was in deed quite sobering. This report demonstrated that there continues to exist communities of people that are racially intolerant and ignorant. I viewed that woman making the statement about drawing the line...This woman looked like she fell of the Hee Haw truck, hit her mouth and lost every one of her top front teeth, who would want to sit in front of or next to someone like that while eating (no matter their race)?
I am NOT surprised that in America, these communities continues to exist, expecially in Texas, that pretty much explains Bush's attitude towards the many issues that adversely impacts people of color. Bush can not help the way he is, he was born and raised in that same racially intolerant culture.
There are alot of people in power who believes as those in Vidor, the only thing that separate the two groups, the ones in Vidor are straight shooters about their stupidity and intolerants.
For those who fight like rabid DOGS on the behalf of known RACIST, they are no different from those whom they support, it has nothing to do with protecting their 1st Amendment Right (That excuse has gotten quite Ole Southern Boys Network)
Once again, excellent ballot Cranky 
DD:
"Im not a rightwinger"
Oh, you're not? I guess I just got that impression from virtually every post of yours I've read.
And just because a person can't, or doesn't want to, see the obvious truth, isn't proof of the contrary. And just because one person can't, or won't, see the truth is no reason for another person to remain silent.
"And this isnt the first time Cranky has posted racist images that could attract neo-nazis to the site."
So I suppose this picture will attract Bush supporters to the site?
^ 
Posting materials that mock, ridicule, and criticize the subject hardly qualifies the poster as a "publicist" or a promoter of whatever it is the subject supports. If that's the case, then the Daily Show should be funded by the Republican National Committee.
Context matters.
And why should I ask LCD to revoke my Maintainer privileges? I've done nothing wrong, unlike some others, who deserved to be punished.
"For those who fight like rabid DOGS on the behalf of known RACIST, they are no different from those whom they support"
If I remember correctly, you protested at Herzogs unfair treatment yourself Babs, did you not?
And until one of you libigots can produce a SINGLE example of racism from one of Herzogs comments, hes not exactly a KNOWN racist is he? Regardless of the propaganda smeared everywhere across the site by individuals such as yourself. You make assumptions based on your own pre-conceived ideas about an individual, doesnt that make you a bigot?
"Oh, you're not? I guess I just got that impression from virtually every post of yours I've read"
Its ok, we all make bad judgement calls sometimes.
"And just because a person can't, or doesn't want to, see the obvious truth, isn't proof of the contrary. And just because one person can't, or won't, see the truth is no reason for another person to remain silent."
Firstly, its not "one" p
person. MOST rational users dont think Herzog is racist, only a fantatical few who seem to have a disproportionate influence over the creator of this site.
Secondly, thats all very cryptic, but its not reall relevant, seeing as I am dealing in facts, and you are dealing in prejudice and opinion.
"Posting materials that mock, ridicule, and criticize the subject hardly qualifies the poster as a "publicist" or a promoter of whatever it is the subject supports. If that's the case, then the Daily Show should be funded by the Republican National Committee.
Context matters"
Indeed, which makes the fact that LCD used material from sites of dubious morality, and Herzog pointed this out a few times, which surely comes under
"Posting materials that mock, ridicule, and criticize the subject hardly qualifies the poster as a "publicist" or a promoter of whatever it is the subject supports"
Herzog made his comments within a context, he had a mnore legitimate contextual framework than you in fact.
"And why should I ask LCD to revoke my Maintainer privileges? I've done nothing wrong, unlike some others, who deserved to be punished."
To avoid being a hypocrite. As I explained above, you have just committed virtually the same "crime" that you wanted Herzog booted out for.
Or was it just that you didnt like Herzog, so your belief in freedom of speech and consistency of rule enforcement and punishment went right out the window when he was the victim?
Decency, integrity, honour.
"For those who fight like rabid DOGS on the behalf of known RACIST, they are no different from those whom they support"
You shouldn't be so quick to speak DD, it only demonstrates your tolerance of what is ugly, unjust and ignorant...
You calling me a bigot is like you making a donation to the UNCF...FYI, please don't attempt to engage in a battle of wits with me regarding the issue of RACE, your engagement will only prove to expose your overwhelming ignorance and insensitivity to others you obviously have no respect for...
"If I remember correctly, you protested at Herzogs unfair treatment yourself Babs, did you not?"
Please feel free to re-read my statement regarding this matter, it was faaaaaar from being a PROTEST, don't read more than what is really in my statement...
Your buddy in my opinion is still what I believe he is, now, whatever transpired between him and LCD, that is their business, I on the otherhand after reading the exchange between the two, I commend LCD for his decision, there is a limit to all MADness...
Voted : No
...This woman looked like she fell of the Hee Haw truck, hit her mouth and lost every one of her top front teeth, who would want to sit in front of or next to someone like that while eating (no matter their race)?
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes
Do you realize that judging people on their appearance sounds just as bad as any racism?
I'm not surprised that there's racism still in the states. It's actually still prevalent all over the world if people will look. What what I am surprised at is that people ignore other areas and places to the extent of focusing on places like Texas that only gets a mention in the media.
God, you people are brainwashed.
Couldn't have said it better myself Grumpy. Entire countries suffer through ethnic cleansing wars in which one side tries to totally kill of another race. Not a blazin peep out of these guys. But mention Texas and watch out man, because all the righteous indignation comes out. You guys need to get counseling. Lame ballot.
"Its ok, we all make bad judgement calls sometimes."
Tepidly humourous, but proves nothing.
"Firstly, its not "one" person. MOST rational users dont think Herzog is racist."
59 million people voted for the worst president in American history in 2004, the ramifications of which may send the U.S. into permanent decline. When it comes to being wrong, there is no safety in numbers. And it's fallacious to think that just because someone is a Kool-Aid drinker, that makes them rational.
"Only a fantatical few who seem to have a disproportionate influence over the creator of this site."
I have no influence over the creator of this site. LCD gives me negative karma, and edits and blocks my ballots when he feels I'm out of line, just like everybody else. It is a myth that somehow BBC and I convinced LCD to punish the miscreant. We have never even exchanged messages on the topic.
"Secondly, thats all very cryptic, but its not reall relevant, seeing as I am dealing in facts, and you are dealing in prejudice and opinion."
Well, that's your opinion.
'"Posting materials that mock, ridicule, and criticize the subject hardly qualifies the poster as a "publicist" or a promoter of whatever it is the subject supports"
Herzog made his comments within a context, he had a mnore legitimate contextual framework than you in fact.'
How about if I use your argument, and suggest that it isn't true unless you prove it?
'"And why should I ask LCD to revoke my Maintainer privileges? I've done nothing wrong, unlike some others, who deserved to be punished."
To avoid being a hypocrite. As I explained above, you have just committed virtually the same "crime" that you wanted Herzog booted out for.'
And as I explained to you, the two situations aren't the same. And Herzog didn't commit a crime: he was just a naughty boy. LCD told him, specifically, not to do something, and in a childish tantrum, Herzog did it anyway. When children do such things, they often get punished. Instead of criticizing LCD, we should be congratulating him on his parenting skills. And I've never said I wanted anyone booted out of B&W, and from what I understand, he hasn't been booted out. He performed a death scene that lasted several weeks, and then marched out in a huff.
"Or was it just that you didn't like Herzog, so your belief in freedom of speech and consistency of rule enforcement and punishment went right out the window when he was the victim?"
I've never claimed to like white racist neocons. However, this isn't a free speech issue. A person can't make a sign supporting racist causes and plant it on someone else's private property and claim free speech rights. B&W is LCD's private property, and he doesn't have to tolerate racist proselytizing.
And Herzog is not a victim, despite his obsessive efforts to convince everyone otherwise.
"Decency, integrity, honour. "
It would nice if Herzog had some.
Although I think that herzog was treated unfairly, I think that he goes too far in making Whites the victim
by aya on Thu Mar 29, 07 10:37am
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^Considering the overwhelmingly liberal bias in the media today, I think it would be very hard for him to "go to far in making whites the victim". He (and a few others) do for his site what the media SHOULD be doing for the world, but dont.
Cranky
"A person can't make a sign supporting racist causes and plant it on someone else's private property and claim free speech rights"
He mentioned the source of one of LCD'S quotes/comments, which happened to be a distaseful website.
You have posted a picture that could be interpreted as supporting the Klu Klux clan, just as much as Herzogs reposting of the sources used by the website owner himself could be interpreted as "supporting racist causes".
Lets get real here, Herzod did nothing worse than you yourself and many others have done in thepast and continue to do in the present, it was his politically incorrect views that singled him out for punishment, not his supposed breaking of the site rules.
You arent stupid, you know this, but your personal bias against Herzog either skews your objective judgement or causes you to hide what you know to be right in the matter.
And until you can post even one example of racism by Herzog on this site, continuing to call him racist every other sentence is unfounded, slanderous, and reflects badly on you.
^DD:
Your being uninformed on the subject has no bearing on whether Herzog is a yuppie racist, or not.
And speaking of free speech, my responses to Grumpy and Tom both disappeared shortly after they were made. Neither had any obscenities, nor were they angry rants. Coincidentally, maintainer FiddleFaddle was on the site at around the same time. Coincidentally.
DD:
"He mentioned the source of one of LCD'S quotes/comments, which happened to be a distaseful website."
And LCD told him to stop, and he did it again, so was punished, but not by being expelled as he claims.
"You have posted a picture that could be interpreted as supporting the Klu Klux clan, just as much as Herzogs reposting of the sources used by the website owner himself could be interpreted as "supporting racist causes"."
I disagree. Reposting the URLs of racist websites AFTER the web master has told you to stop is behavior deserving of appropriate punishment. And posting pictures designed to ridicule the Klan and mock their belief system can in no way be, realistically, be described as supporting the Klan.
'Lets get real here, Herzod did nothing worse than you yourself and many others have done in thepast and continue to do in the present, it was his politically incorrect views that singled him out for punishment, not his supposed breaking of the site rules."
Herzog has been on this website since 1994. If it's his politically incorrect views that singled him out, why was he allowed to spew his euphemized filth for over two years?
'You arent stupid, you know this, but your personal bias against Herzog either skews your objective judgement or causes you to hide what you know to be right in the matter.'
True, I have a personal bias against Herzog. I also have a personal bias against Bush, but that doesn't make him a great president.
What I don't understand is, if LCD committed such a heinous act, then why are you still here, and why is Herzog still trying to weasel his way back onto the site (he put up another of his preposterous rants on his user page today in another attempt to gain LCD's attention)?
"Your being uninformed on the subject has no bearing on whether Herzog is a yuppie racist, or not."
Im sorry, that is simply not a good enough reply. You are basically saying I dont know all the facts, yet not offering to balance this supposed assymetry of information between us.
I ask you again, can you give me one solid example of Herzog being racist on this site? INFORM me.
As for your other question, as you can see from the message on my user page, I am not here, nor am I planning to be here, very often. I am verging on complete disinterest with the site after recent events, but on the few subjects that interest me I will continue to post.
^ Same here, Doc.
And speaking of free speech, my responses to Grumpy and Tom both disappeared shortly after they were made. Neither had any obscenities, nor were they angry rants. Coincidentally, maintainer FiddleFaddle was on the site at around the same time. Coincidentally.
by cranky
I don't know who deleted it, but if it wasn't reasonably intelligent, mature, and well thought out, I don't care to read it personally.
^But you'll never know, will you, since it was censored by someone, simply because he doesn't like me.
"I ask you again, can you give me one solid example of Herzog being racist on this site? INFORM me."
It's not up to me to inform you about the obvious. It would be like trying to prove to a Scientologist that L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud. One would think it would be self-evident, but apparently not.
Also, even if I was so inclined, since, at this point, you can't go back more than one page on the ballot and comment lists, that would be impossible anyway.
"As for your other question, as you can see from the message on my user page, I am not here, nor am I planning to be here, very often."
It still seems to me that your being here affirms LCD's actions, whether you're here a lot, or not, isn't really the point.
And, Herzog has apparently become LCD's stalker. He was bombing LCD's private messages to such an extent that LCD had to remove his messaging privileges. Plus, Herzog's been putting up regular diatribes on his user page accusing him of being Satan, Hitler, and Cindy Sheehan combined (which makes for pretty hilarious reading, actually). And now that LCD has given Herzog his public messaging privilege back, Herz has started bashing him there, too. The level to which Herzog has degenerated is shocking. Some hero.
Again, thats really not good enough. Saying something is obvious doesnt make it so by extension, indeed, it makes it seem even more likely that you dont in fact HAVE any proof whatsoever, and are basing your accusations on a personal bias against Herzog because your inability to disprove his points frustrates you.
Its not obvious that Herzog is a racist, far from it in fact. In fact, YOU have made more racist comments than Herzog to date, and yet I dont go around the site calling you a racist, do I?
At some point you actually need to back up your accusations, or be seen as an antagonistic name caller.
I dont quite see how me being here, particularly when I am often publicly criticising LCD for his actions, somehow AFFIRMS those actions. Your logic is verging on the non-sensical there Crankster.
Also, in the spirit of "pointing out the obvious" I touched upon ealier, do I really need to point out to YOU that LCD has complete control over the site, and thus can manipulate input and spread propaganda as much as he likes, and your distaste for Herzog makes you lap up every word of it with relish.
Im not saying LCD necessarily IS being manipulative in any way, but it wouldnt hurt you to be a tad more objective.
Finally, no one ever said Herzog was a "hero". You dont HAVE o be a hero to expect to be treated as everyone else is, you just have to be a reasonable perosn who contributes to the site, which Herzog did/does.
DD:
Actually, passiveson made an excellent case for Herzog's "feminine" passive-aggressive racism in ballot 112396, which Herzog was not able to effectively refute.
Also, Herzog's absurd defense of the Ku Klux Klan in ballot 112068 is extremely telling, in my opinion.
"I dont quite see how me being here, particularly when I am often publicly criticising LCD for his actions, somehow AFFIRMS those actions. Your logic is verging on the non-sensical there Crankster."
I don't think so. Several of your fellow Herzog-supporters have left the site over his spat with LCD. Clearly, they don't think it's nonsensical. Or perhaps your continued prescence simply implies that it's not really that big a deal.
"LCD has complete control over the site, and thus can manipulate input and spread propaganda as much as he likes"
Of course, he has control. It's HIS site. But, I think he has been more than fair, and has been incredibly tolerant of the abuse that has been directed his way -- even now, as Herzog is stalking him on every avenue open to him.
"You dont HAVE o be a hero to expect to be treated as everyone else is"
Over the two and a half years that Herzog has been on B&W promoting his soft sell racist agenda, I think he has been treated far better than the average poster, and that he finally pushed it one arrogant step too far, and now, like a spoiled rich brat, is howling with indignation.
^ Affirmed
"Several of your fellow Herzog-supporters have left the site over his spat with LCD"
Firstly, I dont appreciate you labelling me as a "Herzog supporter", it suggests an unquestioning, subservient devotion that simply isnt the reality. The reality is that, though I often used to disagree with Herzog on political and economic matters, he has been given a bum rap and has been discrininated against for his political leanings. I would put a word of support in for ANYONE in the same position. Herzog was/is one of the few productive, constructive users left on B and W nowadays, and as such one of few reasons for me to keep coming back, so its in my own interests to support the few interesting users and keep them around.
Secondly, I left the site for a week after Herzog left, in protest. Then the attitude of several people annoyed me and I decided to continue commenting.
Some protest by discontinuation of participation, others (like me) protest more verbally. Horses for courses.
"I think he has been treated far better than the average poster, and that he finally pushed it one arrogant step too far"
To the best of my knowledge, this is Herzogs first infraction of the site rules to date, something that I know for a fact is far from the case for yourself.
Yet Herzog has been singled out for punishment, a solitary individual plucked from the myriad infractions occurring daily to receive "justice".
If you tell me others dont regularly get away with far worse, you are a liar.
So why do you think that is?
Passiveson
"Over the two and a half years that Herzog has been on B&W promoting his soft sell racist agenda, I think he has been treated far better than the average poster, and that he finally pushed it one arrogant step too far, and now, like a spoiled rich brat, is howling with indignation."
Im sorry, but how can you affirm that comment having been here under 6 months?
"Firstly, I dont appreciate you labelling me as a "Herzog supporter", it suggests an unquestioning, subservient devotion that simply isnt the reality."
I don't think of you as that. You don't seem to be one of the Kool-Aid Drinkers, or Herzites, as I sometimes call them.
"he has been given a bum rap and has been discrininated against for his political leanings."
I simply disagree with you on that point. I still maintain he was a spoiled bad boy who has rankled at finally being disciplined. And liberals have been pushed off the site before, too.
"Herzog was/is one of the few productive, constructive users left on B and W nowadays."
I disagree. I think there are just as many good users now as ever.
And I'm glad you weren't one of the foolish suicide posters who jumped on their sword on behalf of their demagogue.
"To the best of my knowledge, this is Herzogs first infraction of the site rules to date"
Herzog has been pushing LCD's buttons almost from the start, and has, on occasion, had ballots and comments blocked before this latest tantrum on Herzog's part.
"something that I know for a fact is far from the case for yourself."
Unlike Herzog, I have never claimed to be the pure, innocent, infallible, virgin queen. I have pushed the envelope before, however, I don't feel the need to declare to the world that LCD giving me a slap is the worst thing to happen since the Holocaust.
"Yet Herzog has been singled out for punishment, a solitary individual plucked from the myriad infractions occurring daily to receive "justice"."
No, he wasn't. He was just another blowhard, totally full of himself, that got out of line and had to be slapped down by LCD. And there isn't a myriad of infractions occuring daily, just once in awhile.
"If you tell me others dont regularly get away with far worse, you are a liar."
I'm not a liar, just because you and I have a difference of opinion. And I don't believe that others are getting away, regularly, with bad behavior.
What I still find remarkable is that someone like Herzog, who so fervently believes in injustice toward blacks, Muslims, Europeans, Liberals, Democrats, and women, is so self-righteous and hysterical when it comes to a perceived injustice directed toward him. Truly, a believer in a double standard.
I'm a quick study. Apparently you haven't read my motto.
Hmmm, do you suppose that Herzog developed his adversive racial disposition in just the last six months?
Are you aware of Best and Worst's Internet Archive, or that Herzog has been suspended before?
Did you think the pursuit of discrediting LCD's ballot was emergent in nature? To force condemnation of the effort of
another with an expection of acheiving a humiliating, humbled defeat?
Could you honestly attest, contrary to the fervant, aggressive and unyeilding predilection for compromise of his beliefs, that Herzog readily concedes to justifiable points, respectfully acknowledging or agreeing with facts or opinions commonly shared in by an opposing adjunct?
Had you not been so dogged in your own aversion toward me, and been true to your word, you might have come to be able to answer your question above, finding no need to even ask it.
The rigor of your stance could possibly blind you to the fact you may are in error. But don't take my word for anything, I exist only in disillusion to reality. I mean, can you argue against it? 
^Im sorry, but how can you affirm that comment having been here under 6 months?
by Doctordraw on Sun Apr 01, 07 10
My comment above is concerning this post.
Cranky, take note that the evidence in the two ballots mentioned above has again went unrefuted. Mark my word, the denials claiming there's "no evidence" shall again surface despite the presentation.
^^^
Lets deal with this sequentially..
"do you suppose that Herzog developed his adversive racial disposition in just the last six months?
Are you aware of Best and Worst's Internet Archive, or that Herzog has been suspended before?"
The first question is a loaded one, in that its inherent assumption (that I would appear to be agreeing to by answering) is that Herzog does, as you claim, have an "adversive racial disposition", which I dont agree with. However, in answer to the superficial question here; its possible. The capacity to change is one thing that makes human beings special, without it life would be futile.
In regards to your second, remarkably patronising question;
I've been here since 2004.
"Did you think the pursuit of discrediting LCD's ballot was emergent in nature? To force condemnation of the effort of
another with an expection of acheiving a humiliating, humbled defeat?"
Its called a vigorous debate or "hard talk", and its the nature of the beast. You can be as melodramatic as you like, Herzog was just being a good opposition by questioning LCD's apparently somewhat dubious/ disreputable sources.
"Could you honestly attest, contrary to the fervant, aggressive and unyeilding predilection for compromise of his beliefs, that Herzog readily concedes to justifiable points, respectfully acknowledging or agreeing with facts or opinions commonly shared in by an opposing adjunct?"
What you call hard headed, others would view as conviction in ones beliefs. Regardless, this is off topic. Im not here as a character witness for Herzog in the case of Herzog vs the state; his openess to change is not my concern here, as a negative judgement would have no bearing on his eligibility to membership of the site/maintainer status.
To put it another way, I'm not here to suck Herzogs dick for your viewing pleasure, I'm here to defend his right to maintainer priveledges.
"Had you not been so dogged in your own aversion toward me, and been true to your word, you might have come to be able to answer your question above, finding no need to even ask it."
Actually, I would say I've been rather restrained considering your actions upon entering the site. Apart from a few revealing comments I've pretty much kept stum since LCD asked me to, so credit where credits due heh?
"can you argue against it?"
I would like to think I just did, if by "it" you mean the the sections ofyour comment pertaining to the matter at hand, rather than the superfluous.
Oh, and what exactly do you think those ballots prove?
In the first ballot listed Passiveson candy coats his accusations of racism to appear objective, but really they are just the same old ad hominem assumptions. Also, Herzogs explanation seems quite reasonable, and certainly in character. He was making a point about racial double standards, by consciously mentioning black individuals.
And the second ballot, well..
Does Felix's typically flowery rebuttal (concerning the logical fallacy of association and so forth) really require addition? Herzog quoting from the Klu Klux Clan website would appear to be a risky move, but is in fact justifiable considering the context and conversation at hand.
My general sense of things is that I could put up a picture of Herzog in a klan uniform, with lederhosen underpants covered in swastikas, in the process of lyching a black man, and there would be some people claiming that it wasn't proof he was a racist.
The "there is no proof" argument isn't an argument at all: it's merely a commentary on people's refusal to see the truth.
"The "there is no proof" argument isn't an argument at all"
It is IF ITS TRUE! Which, to date, it is!
Much as you may dislike the inconvenience, most justice systems require at least SOME proof before declaring a man guilty. Given, this isnt a court of law, but if you want to justify your words, and maintain integrity, you MUST provide some proof!
Cranky, I won't waste my time with his dribble. He's a troll.
Thats a bit rude dont you think? Not to mention uncalled for.
In fact, that random attack irritates me quite a bit, considering I've actually made an effort not to inform every member of this site what a disingenous, manipulative, toad like little scumbag you are, in the interests of peace.
Do you really want to go there with me again you old cunt? Because believe me, much as I would prefer peace, I will happily rip your little internet balls off, capisca?
Your choice.
And the sheer audacity to presume that you can judge my character better than Cranky, someone who I have been quite happily interacting with on the site for nigh on two years (despite amicable disagreements) and knows a lot more about my character than a noob like yourself, makes me loathe you even more. Fat headed little serpent that you are.
Let's not start the negative karma attacks again please. It just validates my point further!
I give negative karma EXTREMELY rarely, but your out of the blue rudeness in the midst of a perfectly civil conversation, not to mention the fact that you are encouraging another user not to talk to me by slandering my name, left me no choice.
Oh,and I wont point out the hypocricy of your words, considering you just gave me retaliatory negative karma, a clear breach of the site rules.
Oh wait, I just did.
I've seen the nature of the discussions you've engaged in with neothe1, cranky and had the displeasure of your twisted philosophical, numb brained prespective for myself. If I give negative karma it's base in the history of your deeds, not retalitory. You argue for the sake of dispute, just like any troll. So don't start with me again or you'll find yourself in oblivia.
Neothe1 is hardly worth talking about, beign a troll himself (witness his back and forths with Ken over the 9/11 "conspiracy") and as for Cranky, well, again you presume to have some knowledge of our interactions when in fact you know nothing.
Cranky and I have always had a friendly, productive relationship on this site, in spite of frequent differences of opinion. Note the disagreement present within this very ballot that hasnt at any point resulted in mudslinging or insults, something you resported to within a few comments.
Your unwarranted rudeness on thsi ballot, as well as your apparent support for a well known troll (neothe1) only serve to reinforce my point, i.e. that you are a manipulative internet troll, who shoudlnt be trusted (let alone respected).
You will find that many users are now cottoning on to you my friend, as your lies and lack of character bubble to the surface.
"So don't start with me again or you'll find yourself in oblivia"
OoOoOoOoOoH! lmao!
Seriously, get a life dude.
In the interests of peace of mind Doc,
I will apologize for calling you a troll. But I will also remind you of the Humorless twats ballot that I had did nothing to deserve the antagonism or "Name Calling" you did against me on that ballot.
Further, on that ballot, you said if I unblocked you, you would do the same. To date you have not. So when it comes to being a man and apologizing, or just being a man of your word, I still question your integrity, and I'm skeptical due to the hypocracy you present.
I would appreciate it if you would restain yourself from negative Karma under both your alias' until you rectify your errors in persecuting me.
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