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Voted : Yes, it is a form of forced sex, and the West should not tolerate such barbarism
"Human Rights Service studied 90 cases of forced marriage in Norway and found that only three of the wives were not raped- either because they had run away in time or because the marriage ws pro forma. Girls forced into "marriages" who try to fight off their "husbands" on their "wedding night" can't expect their parents or in-laws to come to the rescue. One girl said that when she screamed out for help, her new in-laws, still celebrating the wedding in an adjoining room, "just turned up the volume on the music." Another girl said, "I'll never forget the day after the wedding night. Everyone must have seen the pain in my face. But even my own mother gave no sign that I could ask her for the least amount of support and comfort from her." "
(Source: Bawer, B., 'While Europe Slept')
As much as European politicians would like to avoid that the tie between forced sex and arranged marriage, it is a significant issue. Such traditions of those cultures are savage, barbaric and inferior and the West should give it zero tolerance.
"As much as European politicians would like to avoid that the tie between forced sex and arranged marriage, it is a significant issue."
Says who? Which politican? And who the hell would say no?
by aya on Wed Apr 11, 07 10:43am
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aya- Name one European politician (a mainstream one) who blatantly wants to tackle this issue. I mean other than Ayaan Ali Hirsi.
And who would say no? Considering the strange results on other ballots on similar topics, I wouldn't be surprised at votes saying no, actually.
Voted : Yes, it is a form of forced sex, and the West should not tolerate such barbarism
Yes, ofcourse it is...and very sad
Voted : Yes, it is a form of forced sex, and the West should not tolerate such barbarism
But this is merely the opinion of one insane man who believes, beyond the concepts of most, that women were actually created superior to men. (Wish I could see Grapost's face when he reads this.)
Depends on what she looks like. Sometimes I have to force myself to have sex with mine. :)
Voted : Yes, it can be a form of forced sex, but the West should tolerate these venerable traditions
Who are we to stay it's "wrong"? They have just as much a right to perpetuate their time-honored ways as we do. If someone can't handle the culture, leave it. First person to say that they don't have a choice gets a flaming shitbag on their porch. God bless free will.
Voted : Yes, it can be a form of forced sex, but the West should tolerate these venerable traditions
It's sick, but then again it's none of our business.
nuck- "It's sick, but then again it's none of our business."
- what if it take place inside the West?
Nate- actually, it is difficult to escape a culture that would punish you for disobeying it. A girl is in a forced marriage, she refuses... what do you think would happen?
She'd get her ass beat, no doubt. However, not even you can deny that if you hate something enough you can get away from it. Pick up a little spare cash, steal if you must, leave the country, it's free will. The only thing that can stop you from leaving a harmful situation is yourself.
Voted : Yes, it is a form of forced sex, and the West should not tolerate such barbarism
Sex without consent is rape, simple as that.
I never looked at it that way, but yes , it is
It's remarkable really the way that Americans feel entitled to police the world I think. I wonder if this mentality persists in any other places?
^ Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there.
Different cultures have different rules, what's to say ours are right and theirs wrong?
I think most of the world would agree that having sex with a goat is just plain wrong though, except my friend Mr Tombe. (lol, google Mr Tombe)
"lol, google Mr Tombe"
by britvic55 on Wed Apr 11, 07 6:39pm
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Logically, forced marriage is not necessarily forced sex. However, practically speaking, yes.
Voted : Yes, it can be a form of forced sex, but the West should tolerate these venerable traditions
There's no such thing as Marital rape...and beside, the History of the Human Race is a History of Rape. Guess it didn't kill the Species..yet.
Nate- "It's remarkable really the way that Americans feel entitled to police the world I think. I wonder if this mentality persists in any other places?"
- It does persist in other places- other countries themselves reinforce the view that the US is and should be the world police. There was trouble in the Balkans; international response: The US should be doing something. There was trouble in Rwanda; international response: The US should have done something. There are many of these examples in which the international community is the one who is the most suggestive that the US is and should be the world police.
And anyway, what if these barbaric practices are taking part within the West? Does the West have no right to oppose it then? I would suggest that the West does not commit cultural suicide, and stands strongly against this happening within.
Oh, and there have been cases in which girls ran away, only to be tracked down and become victims of honour killings (another brutal tradition of a few non-Western cultures, which should not be tolerated in the West).
spanky- "There's no such thing as Marital rape..."
- Oh, do you come from a culture that believes that?
The west has the right to oppose injustices within the west. That's it. Beliefs should not transcend borders, be they state, cultural or otherwise. Big ole IMO after that.
WELL sOCRATES, indeed I do...and if you live in the West, so do you. so here's the real Question, when was Rape finally codified by the United Nations as a 'War-Crime'?
nate- So Western organisations like Amnesty International should not be promoting their values?
spanky- firstly, I don't care about the UN. Secondly, something doesn't have to be labeled as a 'war crime' for it to be wrong. And actually, in the West, being marital does not mean that sex without consent is no longer rape. Furthermore, we must consider 'forced marriages' are marriages without consent and therefore I do no view them as real marriages anyway.
Voted : Yes, it can be a form of forced sex, but the West should tolerate these venerable traditions
lessee, ummm, you don't care about the UN and you don't view forced (arranged) marriages as real marriages. Okay, I'll play this silly game, you name the things in this world that you do care about and that you view as real and we'll get everybody else to comply.
spanky- I just don't see the UN as the representative of Western cultural attitudes. And no, not all arranged marriages are necessarily forced marriages. It is possible, I guess, for the bride and groom of an arranged marriage to whole-heartedly approve of and completely agree with the person who their parents want them to marry. What is a 'real' marriage therefore is based on true consent from the man and woman getting married to do so.
this is just dumb. typical of the prejudices that we face everyday.
by your logic, people who drink milk are against the law of nature, circumcision (child mutilation) should be a capital offense, and eating pork should be punished by stoning.
rape is rape. so what about rape that happens in a conventional marrriage, do you blame the marriage or the rapist?
i can talk and talk, but since it would just bounce off your thick head, I won't even bother.
by LCD on Mon Mar 24, 08 12:14pm
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