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COAL IS MAKING A COMEBACK


[+] serious ballot by patch22us
ACTIVE Nov 06,2007 - Thu Dec 06, 07
Despite progress made as the world moved away from using coal, the extraordinary rise in the prices of Narual Gas and Oil and the dwindling supply of oil, is leading major industrialized nations to move back to using Coal.

Currently, China and the United States and to
some extent India, use the most Coal.

However, in China, their mining and use of Coal is by far the most of any nation in the world.

"An average of 13 Chinese miners die every day in explosions, floods, fires and cave-ins. Toxic clouds of mercury and other chemicals from mining are poisoning the air and water far beyond China's borders and polluting the food chain.
So far, attempts to clean up coal have largely not worked. Technology to reduce or cut out carbon dioxide emissions is expensive and years away from widespread commercial use."

Demand for coal is expected to rise by 60% within the next 20 years.

"In America, about 150 new coal-fired electrical plants are proposed over the next decade. In China, there are plans for a coal-fired power plant to go on line nearly every week. In a developing country like China, coal is the backbone of the energy system."

"Rising demand can be met because coal is the Earth's most abundant fossil fuel, with reserves expected to last some 250 years. The U.S. has under its own soil at least a 200-year supply of coal."

Do you find it ironic that right now, environmental groups are preventing the drilling for more oil, with the end-result being a dramatic increase in the burning of coal, which is by far more of a pollutant?



Yes, it is ironic 5
No, there is no correlation 3

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A perfect example of the hypocricy and the delicate balance Institutional Investments bring. Right now, the United States is investing heavily in Coal production in China and will see a massive increase in exports of Coal to China. But what do certain environmental groups do and say:

"U.S. investment in Chinese coal stocks has gone largely unnoticed. Individual investors such as the retired Texas teachers probably don't know that's where their money is going, says corporate government expert Nell Minow. But whatever their concerns about Chinese coal companies, investors find poor returns upsetting, she notes.

A spokesman for the Texas pension fund declined to comment.

Even environmental groups that have criticized the U.S. coal industry for practices such as mountaintop-removal mining have been largely silent on investing in Chinese coal. The Rainforest Action Network, for instance, focused on the United States in its criticism of Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp.'s involvement with the coal industry.


So these groups will criticize the United States, their own country, while their money is invested in the Coal industry in China. So I guess to them it's okay if China is destroyed by pollution, as long as they make money?

by patch22us on Tue Nov 06, 07 8:13pm [+]

Voted : Yes, it is ironic
We need to switch to nukes and get past burning any fossil fuels at all. Nukes might seen scary but it's nothing next to what we're doing every day burning up what we pull out of the ground. SOME environmental people are being all-or-none unreasonable (humans act like idiots when they're afraid, I've noticed) but a lot of scientists are working on making energy without oil OR coal.
by Jyl on Tue Nov 06, 07 8:18pm [+]

China builds a new coal power plant every week by the way.

Have you seen the power plant out on the edge of your town? Every few days a whole new one starts up in China.
by Jyl on Tue Nov 06, 07 8:21pm [+]

if we dumped the money that we are spending on war into the fusion research, we might have an endless source of energy by now.

of course, either way in 100 years, the carnot engine that is earth will be at about 200f.

Maybe then we can migrate to mars.
by LCD on Tue Nov 06, 07 8:39pm [+]

Voted : Yes, it is ironic
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When this is an everyday occurrence, watch the health-care industry refuse treatment. "It's a pre-existing condition."

And I'm with Jyl on switching to nuclear power. Please, those of you who flinched- Three Mile Island and Chernobyl were the results of massive incompetence. I spent four months of my life as close to a reactor as you are to your computer screens right now, and the experience left me with no ill effects. Find a coal miner and ask him to say the same. Expect him to be doing what the guy in the pic is doing...
by Truthseeker013 on Wed Nov 07, 07 5:58am [+]

Yeah, but then again, were the terrorist targets? Know what would happen if a terrorist targeted one of the NY Nuclear Power plants? CONSERVATIVE estimates are that 25 million Americans would die, the East coast from Maine to Georgia would become unhinhabitable for hundreds of years and much of the Easter part of Canada would too. All depending on how the wind blows. Are those acceptable numbers for you?
by patch22us on Wed Nov 07, 07 6:03am [+]

^ Tight security would solve that.

I don't mean White House-esque security where joy riders in cesnas are able to sneak past. I'm talking military base style where people, planes, etc.. are shot down with no questions asked.
by Grumpy_Person on Wed Nov 07, 07 8:12am [+]

Can we be sure of that? I mean the way I understand it, on 9/11, one of the most powerful and well equipped Airforces in the world, if not THE best and most equipped, did nothing to stop Jet airliners off course, knowing the threats. I'm not so certain there can ever be security.
by patch22us on Wed Nov 07, 07 4:13pm [+]

Good point, but the the WTC and even the Pentagon (surprisingly) doesn't have their own tracking and surveillance system. No one knows what's headed toward them until Joe Blow on the street or Jane Doe looking at radar screens notices something.

There's an AFB not 2 hours away from me that has enough weapons on base to literally destroy all life on earth x 10. As a result, it's a shoot on site/no questions asked policy for trespassers. And it's happend on more than one occasion without so much as a blip on the evening news. And that was in place long before 9/11.
by Grumpy_Person on Wed Nov 07, 07 9:24pm [+]

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