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To answer the question in the ballot title, Yes. There has been a significant rise in violence directed at Jews in Europe. However, those responsible are primarily Muslims. Apparently, its OK to beat up Jews if you don't like something Israel does.
In general most Jews want to live in Israel at some point. Its something that has been prayed will happen for about 2000 years. There aren't any "secret" plans for people to move. That is just neo-Nazi conspiracy hogwash. That goes for the rest of his "theories" and "evidence".
There is and has been concern in Jewish community about the treatment of Jews anywhere in the world. That isn't new nor unusual. It isn't any different from Christians being concerned about Christians being persecuted somewhere.
Huge underground? Only in his racist wet dreams.
Being blamed for stuff. Neo-nazis and those of similar imbecilic intelligence have always blamed the Jews for every problem the world has ever had. I guess that's what Jews get for providing the world with more positive things than any other group (per capita). You know... things like 1/3 of all Nobel prizes... etc with less than 1% of the world's population. Hate... its so irrational. It leads people to believe the most bizarre things.
Maybe so, but even I have to admit the things I hear people say, lead me to believe he is not just blowing smoke. Either way, evidence is sometimes bore out in what people say and think and obviously, in what they do. I don't know if the sentiments are new, or if they've been around for a long time, but it's a bit alarming to hear people speaking so openly about their hate and have no fear of retribution. No one, that I know of or have witnessed, has ever called him/them on what they say. That can't be a good sign. Then again, what power do they have?
On another note, it is significant that among these friends, there is only one person who is classified as Muslim and he has never spoken any such words. All who have, are either White, Black (one) and Hispanic Christians.
I wouldn't say nazi-ism is o the rise significantly but ethnic fault lines are increasingly pronounced,entirely predictable to anybody with a clue.The whole neo nazi thing is blown out of proportion by the media....they kill how many people compared to gang bangers and illegal aliens??? As usual context is nowhere to be found yet the same unelected racial arsonists(you know them,JJ,Sharpton,Foxman,..) are kept alive by the same media that gave life to them in the first place.
There was a study conducted complete with computer models that predict ethnic tension and subsequent waring between parties.It goes a long way in explaining hostilities within pluralistic countries.People should be asking why these kids are joining these groups instead of yelling the same tired epithets.They won't though because it would force them to own up to the simple fact that multiculturalism idealogy is the same gargantuan failure and it always has been.
It's sad
Voted : No I Do Not Believe Any of This to Be True
This sounds like a conspiracy theory.
"Neo-nazis and those of similar imbecilic intelligence have always blamed the Jews for every problem the world has ever had."
Irrationality exists among all peoples but perhaps a large part of your problem is that the Jewish brand of extremism is consistently rationalized and ignored in the public mainstream.The same external extremism you cite is the same extremism that exists among yours.
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory Skylab, simply because actual people have communicated these sentiments. That's not to say that some of what they believe to be true is not a conspiracy theory, as it seems to be, but if someone holds a belief, no matter how abhorent to most people, then in effect, it is a reality. I guess the question is, would they feel this way or have these prejudices if it were not for inaccurate and false "reports" or would they still, regardless. I don't know. But after a while, when you hear people say certain things and that number increases and their rhetoric becomes louder and comes more often, it means something. What, I don't know.
What the hell are you talking about robotthinker? "Your problem"...?
"Your problem" being anti Jewish sentiment and the violence your people know.IE there are two sides to conflicts.
I'm not here to get excited TC,if you read too deeply into that I can't help that.
There are rational explanations that explain the conflicts between Jews and host nations outside of the typical "it's always the Jews" or "it's always anti semitism to blame" arguments.To take either stance is to *be* part of the problem.
Pluralism might work when:
*there is total or near total integration of peoples
*there is absolute or near absolute antagonism/boundaries of peoples.
Conflict *will* arise when a group is only partially integrated into it's host nation.That this condition supports volatility is absolutely supported no matter the parties involved and goes a long way in explaining many things including Jewish relations with host countries.Jews are more integrated within the US than ever before and it shows.There is less hostility between Jews and the majorities here.
^That is also why I don't support such drastic and rapid diversification of this country.I know what will come of it.
Egalitarianism is an radical idealogy platform that puts rational thinking people on trial for being infidels,witches or whatever the masses are conditioned into fearing.
What drugs are you taking? Jews are every bit as integrated into the European and American society as any other group. Integration or assimilation doesn't reduce hatred or anti-semitism. The Jews were best integrated/assimilated into German (compared to any other country) society prior to the Nazis taking over. That didn't stop the Holocaust. And it really has nothing to do with anti-semitism and neo-Nazism being on the rise.
And just what is "the Jewish brand of extremism is consistently rationalized and ignored in the public mainstream"? Really.... where are the Jewish terrorist groups in Europe and the US. How are these imaginary groups being ignored?
Voted : Yes I Believe This To Be True
sheer stupidity and just plain mean spirits seem to be on the rise these days.
by LCD on Tue Dec 04, 07 10:19pm
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hmm. this presents a dilema. yeah i do think there's a resurgence. on the other hand, i look damn good in a pair of jack boots! tough to know how i feel about the issue of the "brown shirts" making their comeback. 
FFSLD,
this is the same guy who thinks that non-white people are 'somewhat' genetically inferior to whites. culture I could understand, but unless there's some scientific way of properly backing that up, it's all shit
by aya on Wed Dec 05, 07 8:50am
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"To answer the question in the ballot title, Yes. There has been a significant rise in violence directed at Jews in Europe. However, those responsible are primarily Muslims. Apparently, its OK to beat up Jews if you don't like something Israel does. "
Yep. but you never hear Muslim groups bring this up, do you?
by aya on Wed Dec 05, 07 8:52am
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Voted : Yes I Believe This To Be True
But, so is jihadism.
Aya, I'm not certain who you refer to when you write "this is the same guy who thinks that non-white people are 'somewhat' genetically inferior to whites."
I'm talking about a friend of mine. To my knowledge, he does not have any kind of public reputation, etc. Who are you talking about?
"What drugs are you taking? Jews are every bit as integrated into the European and American society as any other group?"
Was that personal attack necessary?Furthermore your interpretation is entirely opposite of both what I said and meant.I said "Jews are more integrated within the US than ever before ...".
"Integration or assimilation doesn't reduce hatred or anti-semitism."
You are incorrect.Integration and assimilation mean *just that*.One of my points was that rapid diversification does not allow for total assimilation.This is demonstrably true.Aside from being an obvious truism people such as Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam have done studies concluding just that.This is easily illustrated too.
"The Jews were best integrated/assimilated into German (compared to any other country) society prior to the Nazis taking over."
That is off point with my claim."Best" is not the same as fully assimilated(virtually assimilated that is).There was still a high degree of non assimilation which supports my claim.Partial integration best or not still makes the situation volatile.
"And it really has nothing to do with anti-semitism and neo-Nazism being on the rise."
Certainly it is directly part of the problem.When any people act as a group they are susceptible to being treated as a group.There is not even a need to determine whether the group actions are justified or not or whether there is absolute unity over the actions.The very fact that actions are perceived as being against the interests of other respective groups alone is enough.This is especially true when you consider the magnitude of Jewish power and influence.Logically the repercussions will be greater.
There is also the irrationality of anti Jewish extremists but that is a given.
" And just what is "the Jewish brand of extremism is consistently rationalized and ignored in the public mainstream"? Really.... where are the Jewish terrorist groups in Europe and the US. How are these imaginary groups being ignored?"
I don't want to sound dismissive but you just don't get it and I don't think you ever will.I know where answering this leads,to the next point I make that you won't understand or consider.
You can continue thinking that the world is out to persecute your people.To do so is to contribute nothing to any kind of progress.Just my 02.
"FFSLD,
this is the same guy who thinks that non-white people are 'somewhat' genetically inferior to whites. culture I could understand, but unless there's some scientific way of properly backing that up, it's all shit"
Aya,I don't think you have ever understood anything I've ever said,really.You misrepresent what I've said and meant.Over this I am irked because after several time consuming personal correspondences with you awhile back where I tried to set you straight on my positions I decided to give up.I tried in vein to overcome your limitations,call it a net loss.Go pester somebody else.
Assimilation. Actually, I am correct. At least the vast majority of historians and sociologists agree with me.
What's this about "best assimilated"? To me this sounds like your covert racism. Are African-Americans not "fully assimilated (whatever the hell that means)? What about Hispanic-Americans? What about Muslims? Or... is it that if you aren't WHITE, Anglo-Saxon, protestant, live in the suburbs, are straight and the usual Nazi ideal that you aren't assimilated? Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Somalis, Vietnamese, Chinese and immigrants and others from all over the world are ALL proud Americans. They have all served with honor in the military. They serve in elected office. They support their community and neighbors. They support democracy. They do everything that a "fully assimilated" American does. Why? Because they are fully assimilated. To my knowledge the only people with some kind of score card on assimilation for Americans are racists and bigots. All of these minority groups while fully supporting American ideals also support their faith and ethnic communities. There's nothing wrong with that. Unless of course, you are a paranoid bigot.
Diversity is what makes this country strong. Individuality is cherish. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There's nothing about scoring whether someone is assimilated enough.
You think that identifying with a group is bad and that it creates volatility. No, it doesn't. The only people threatened by it and who make a big deal over are once again... racists and bigots. You and I have a fundamental disagreement. You want (and believe) that everyone being homogeneous in their behavior, lifestyle, etc is desired. If their is difference then this is bad. I disagree.
So tell me... what is "fully assimilated"?
Why do you persist in using terms like "your people"? Who are "my people"? Really... I'm not black, Muslim, Buddhist, etc but they are still MY PEOPLE. I don't call them "them people" "those people" or "your people" when I talk to others or members of that group. Why? Because they are all humans like me. I'm not any different than them other than my ancestors being here in the US thousands of years before them. But so what. They belong here. They are Americans just like I am. I care what happens to them. I don't come up with all these conspiracies regarding them. I care about persecution of any group of people. My life and actions bear witness to that.
Really... your repeated use of "your people" and gripes about "being fully assimilated" and numerous other comments you make on this site make it clear to people what your true racist and bigoted beliefs are. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the person described in the ballot description is you. I understand fully what Aya said. She's basically calling you a racist and a bigot. A statement that I and many others agree with.
I'm just waiting for you to post forged and fraudulent quotes, half-truths, and conspiracy nonsense (wait you already did start on that) and the like to bolster your views.
Diversity ROCKS!
^ WHAT the HELL are you even talking about???Do you understand ANYTHING of what I said???ANY OF IT????
YOU fired the first shots in an otherwise substantive discussion.It helps to ask first but you aren't interested in genuine dialog with anybody who challenges your beliefs.You are simply insane.
God you're a fucking idiot.
This guy single handedly ruined this site.
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