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ETHICAL QUESTION: WHO IS IN THE RIGHT?


[+] serious ballot by patch22us
ACTIVE Apr 06,2008 - Wed Apr 16, 08
One of my Cousins is getting married soon. As is the case with weddings in my family, everyone makes a big deal out of it.

Just recently, at a huge gathering of family members as my Grandparents, about 100 family members and their repsective wives, husbands, girlfriends, etc., had a huge dinner at a club. My cousin (a different one) and I were talking and I noticed his watch. Before I could stop myself, I commented on how cool it looked. I say this because he is a real bragerd and I should have known better than to compliment him on the watch.

So he takes it off and hands it to me and procedes to blather about how expensive it was. He says for me to put it on. I do. It looks nice. Then he just ups and walks away because he saw someone he wanted to talk to. I'm left wearing the watch.

I lose track of him and so when I see his Girlfriend, I give it to her.

Hours later he comes up to me and asks for his watch, so I told him I gave it to Becca, his Girlfriend. Maybe 15 minutes later she and he come up to me and he says she does not have it and this lying interloper (if that's the right word) says "you never gave me his watch." She is a liar! I handed it to her and I SAW her put it into her perse!

Long story short, despite my knowing I gave it to her, we all search for it. Then when it doesn't turn up he goes to my Dad and tells him we will have to pay for the watch and claims it cost him lots of money (thousands). He says he cannot put in an insurance claim since he took it off and handed it to me.

Here is where your opinion is important. My Grandfather took my side and told my cousin he was capricious to have bought an expensive watch and just took it off for someone else to wear, so he says "tough luck" to my cousin. My Dad says "sorry, our Son says he gave it to your girlfriend...talk to her." My Mom says "give him the money to shut him up." (she believes his girlfriend has it, was playing a joke and when it got too far, was nervous to admit in front of the entire family that she had it all along). I don't buy that because she could have just put it on a table and been like "oh! here it is!"

Personally, I think she kept it and will sell it. She's a realy BI**H.

Before you place your vote, I would NEVER steal and I know for a FACT I gave it to her.

What is the ethical thing to do in this situation?

Don't pay him anything 12
Have your cousin's girlfriend waterboarded until she confesses 2
Pay your cousin 0
Just an idea-- 0

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Voted : Have your cousin's girlfriend waterboarded until she confesses
I'll go for waterboarding in this case.

by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Apr 06, 08 12:05pm [+]

If the watch is worth thousands, the little prick is guilty of grand theft. Because you gave the watch to her youyrself, and you saw her put the watch in her purse, there is no contest. Take her to small claims court. But don't her get away with it.
by forgetmenot on Sun Apr 06, 08 12:17pm [+]

Voted : Don't pay him anything
no offense to anyone involved, but that reads like a classic confidence scam.

might make a big difference to let him know that you will be telling everyone you know, as scams don't fare well when everyone knows whole pulling them.
by LCD on Sun Apr 06, 08 12:39pm [+]

Good idea Forgetmenot, but in this case, I think it may cause more harm than good. It would be nice to have her interogated by the Police under a bare lightbulb. :)
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 12:39pm [+]

What do you mean by a confidence scam? You think he was testing me?
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 12:42pm [+]

I looke this up:

A confidence trick or confidence game, also known as a con, scam, swindle, grift, bunko, flim flam, or scheme, is an attempt to swindle a person or people (known as the "mark" or sometimes "griftee") which involves gaining his or her confidence. (For confidence tricks dealing with information theft or computers see social engineering.)

No. My own cousin?! Never. First of all, money is something he has plenty of. Secondly, things like that do NOT happen in my family. No need. Sorry LCD, but that's just paranoia.
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 12:48pm [+]

Voted : Don't pay him anything
You should have grabbed her purse and took it out.

Are you sure she does not have a evil twin? lol.
by fivenotes on Sun Apr 06, 08 1:16pm [+]

Voted : Don't pay him anything
What a biotch
by skylab on Sun Apr 06, 08 1:17pm [+]

If you pay for the watch, you'll be admitting you took it or were responsible for it. Your cousin was an idiot for taking an expenisive watch off his wrist to show off to begin with. And how do you know that you're not being scammed?
by RunsWithScissors on Sun Apr 06, 08 1:35pm [+]

Voted : Just an idea--
Hey. Patch--get with your cousin and you all set her up in some way so she cannot help but steal something, and then your cousin can see she that his little prick of a girlfriend really is a theif.
by forgetmenot on Sun Apr 06, 08 1:38pm [+]

How do I know I'm not being scammed? Because one, as I already pointed out, this is my Cousin, who does not need the money and besides, who thinks like that? I think my Mom is right and that Becca was trying to play a joke and when she saw it was getting too far, decided that she would look bad if she said "Ha! Joking! Here it is!" I think that is more the case.

I don't know about everyone else, but my family is extremely close and there is no way my cousin would be a part of that...he has no need and it is NOT his style. A scam is NOT the case.
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 1:52pm [+]

Voted : Don't pay him anything
patch, I'd never think that you'd steal anything. And I wouldn't bend on the issue.
by Truthseeker013 on Sun Apr 06, 08 2:43pm [+]

In the meantime, the watch is still missing, and you were the one he gave it to. Who do you expect your cousin to believe? You or his girlfriend? She hasn't confessed.
And as far as the comment you made "who thinks like that?" It's called "living in the real world."
If your cousin doesn't need the money, then why does he want you to pay for the watch?
by RunsWithScissors on Sun Apr 06, 08 3:44pm [+]

I just don't for one second believe it was some kind of scam. Not at all. I think maybe his girlfriend is in over her head now and the joke maybe went to far. I can't figure her out.

Why does he want us to pay for it? Because that is his right in his opinion. He feels that I probably lost something of his that is valuable. I don't know. But either way, he's not getting the money and he probably knows that. But from my perspective, to think it was some elaborate scam is just ridiculous. But I also know that no one on here giving their opinion knows him, so you just have to take my word that I know this person my whole life and that is just does not something he needs to do or would do.

Using logic, wouldn't he just report it lost or stolen to the insurance company if he was scamming? Why would he involve me? I mean he would have had to have assumed that I would either not have even put the watch on, or that I would have handed it back to him directly. It would be a stupic scam. :) I think in the "real world," people, especially your close family, are not like that. :)
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 5:49pm [+]

Although RunsWithScissors, in one respect you're on to something. "Who thinks like that?" I guess I was quick to assume his girlfriend does because I did think that one possibility was that she kept it and would sell it. So I guess part of me feels that she does think like that? It bothers me that I would think that about her, but I guess in reality, I did consider that possibility.
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 6:01pm [+]

Voted : Don't pay him anything
SCAM!!!!!!!!!!
by mojo on Sun Apr 06, 08 7:25pm [+]

Didn't mean to insult your cousin, but that really sounds suspicious. Maybe his GF is a thief.
by mojo on Sun Apr 06, 08 7:27pm [+]

We may never know Mojo. The idea of a scam is far fetched only because like I said, he would have no need and, he could never know that I wouldn't have just given it back to him directly, so logic rules that out.

As for her, the consensus seems to be she thought it would be funny to make me squirm, but didn't count on such an immediate reaction and then felt afraid to reveal that she was just "joking." Now I see the logic in why people think that. Either way, she's done for because my family is usually quick to close ranks and she's really an outsider. My Dad thinks the relationship will be over soon now. Who knows. Everyone's had really great input. Thanks! :)
by patch22us on Sun Apr 06, 08 7:56pm [+]

Voted : Don't pay him anything
I bet he knows where the watch is and he's trying to scam you.

It seems to me like your cousin and his girlfriend were made for each other. MAG_rofl
by _Beelzebubba on Mon Apr 07, 08 9:51am [+]

sorry patch, my cynicism comes from my life experiences.
by LCD on Mon Apr 07, 08 2:34pm [+]

Have you ever considered that she may want to cause a split in the family? Some people do this for a sense of power. Lets be straight about this. From what you have said she doesn't need the money either. So what possible motivation would she have? I'd ring her and ask her why she lied. After all she cant lie to you without both of you being aware of the lie.


It's also possible she may have dropped or lost it and wont own up.
by quirk99 on Wed Apr 09, 08 5:37am [+]

Some wealthy people also have kleptomania issues and I think if thats true then the easiest thing to do would be set her up. video camera and a clip of money would do the trick.
by quirk99 on Wed Apr 09, 08 5:39am [+]






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