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Bush urged Israeli restraint in the Gaza raid, saying: "It is essential people respect innocent life in order for us to achieve peace."
Maybe the murderous cunt could take his own advice.
First of all, the killing of the Palestinians of the protest is wrong, and as so it is being checked by IDF invest igations police, and later, if necessary in miliatry court.
The initial study showed that it is a mistake, and disproved many false Palsetinian reports about 22 killed, and that hellicopters fired on the protest. That protest, was not that peaceful, because besides children, it involved militants firing light weapons and carrying RPGs. So hellicopter fired one missile away from the protest, as deterance, and a tank fired 4 shells on an empty house, one missed shell caused the killings. The tank crew didn't see the protestors, and it wouldn't have fired if it did. Those mistakes will be examined by the IDF and courts.
Anyway, it's not an execution of protestors, it is a mistake, like those I talked about, that are almost impossible to prevent during war, especially when the enemy operates among civilians.
by Yosi on Thu May 20, 04 11:12am
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How do you sleep at night, yosi? You are seriously vile.
You do not fire missiles and tank shells into residential areas as a deterance or warning shot, if thats what they are calling it. Israel needs to be stopped.
"The tank crew didn't see the protestors, and it wouldn't have fired if it did"
So what the hell did they think they were doing? Are you trying to tell me the tanks were just cruising round firing random shots whereever they pleased and not even looking where they were firing. That makes them quilty of mass murder in my books.
I sleep very good at night, knowing that Israel and the IDF are moral, no matter how many lies you are spreading.
Wolf, obviousely something went wrong, this is not supposed to happen, but we should all wait for the final conclusions of the investigation of this event, although I doubt that anti Israeli really care how those cases are being treated.
by Yosi on Thu May 20, 04 2:55pm
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No matter who, what, why, and/or how, I think the U.S. needs to get out of Iraq. Enough is enough already, the point is, more children have died behind the hatred of each other by adults. One group cannot kill without the other groups participation in the process of killing. Therefore, it is my humble opinion that Sharon like the rest of the killers should be treated in kind. This back and forth killing is not getting anything positive accomplished and as long as the two combatants continue to engage in the acts of war and death, America should get out and leave the both to themselves. Just my opinion folks, so please don't attack me for giving it :)
Arabs never had an intension to live with Jews.From the beginning,They declared "death to Israel",I don't know why so many people are anti Israel.Palestanians have proved themselves to be incapable of doing anything constructive.What kind of people urge their own children to be suiside bombers?Why don't they do it themselves?30% of Israeli citizens are Arab decent.And Israelis don't treat them like jews have been treated in their countries.They don't even have to serve in Israeli military.What the hell is their problems?psI'm not a jew.
Yosi you talk about how forcibly homeless, possibly innocent Palestinians who have had their lives ruined should be rational and peaceful towards Israel. I think YOU have lost all sense of reason and common sense. Your rationalizations for the firing of tank shells and missles into residential areas is really sad. Yosi you just hate Palestinians, admit it. Yosi you are filled with hate and have no regard for Palestinian lives regardless of innocence or guilt. Is this kind of hate acceptable in the Jewish religion? Is this kind of terror acceptable in the Jewish religion? The cycle continues.....
Not only USA needs to nuke Israel..it needs to clean our Country from the stench of these maggot verminous smelly ,hooked nose , greedy , murdering , greedy , filthy , pig fucking Jews.
JEWS out of America , VOTE LYNDON LAROUCHE
Pepsi, when I said rational, I meant to 2 things : a) That they won't take the law to their hands and try to kill innocent Israelis as a revenge. b) In the broader perspective, they should understand that if they don't want others to suffer like they did, they shouldn't support violent groups, because their ultimate goals won't be achieved by war, becasue Israel is stronger, and it doesn't intend to surrender to violence. Now, of course nobody expects them to greet the bulldozers with flowers and rice and to love Israel for destroying their houses, but they and their leadership shoud be rational. Don't you think that we have to deal with it as well? From time to time, we see innocent Israelis which lost their loved ones becasue of the terror, and they are simply saying to nuke Arafat and the Palestinians. Nobody can stop emotions like that, but we should all prevent the implem entation of the hate, because as you said, the cycle continues. As for the Israeli side, almost all the measures are purely defensive measures, maybe except some targeted killings. True, those actions happen usually after a terror attack, but that's because only then, do the government has wide support for the action, internally and in the international arena. The plans for all the actions, including Rafah existed way before they were implemented, but the current events, which indicated the necessary need for actions against the tunnels, lead Israel to action. The right wing says that the IDF should perform everything needed to stop the terror, regardless of the current events, but that would be seen as Israeli agression, so many times it's rejected, because of the world opinion, and so some of us die, simply because you won't approve pre emptive actions against terror. Do you think that the US would allow Bush to attack Afghanistan and Iraq before 9/11? And although it could have prevented the attack, which I think that everybody will prefer.
You accuse me of hating Palestinians , and not respecting their lives - and I don't admit it, so now you can understand what Israelis think when they listen to Arafat, Arikat and even Rantisi when they claimed that they don't hate Israelis etc.
Anyway, I can also claim that Judaism is a religion of peace, and it doesn't approve that hate, but I'm atheist, so pick another jew, who actually believe. But let me tell you this, when you face what Israel has to face, and you witness it personally, and not by reports on international news, you won't let christianity or any moral values you have to interfere achieving the security that we all want.
by Yosi on Fri May 21, 04 5:01am
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But let me tell you this, when you face what Israel has to face, and you witness it personally, and not by reports on international news, you won't let christianity or any moral values you have to interfere achieving the security that we all want.
by Yosi on May 21, 2004
You said it yosi. So you're security is worth bulldozing innocent people's houses, snipers shooting children in the head and helicopter gunships firing into crowds of peace demonstrators?
Only the first one.
by Yosi on Fri May 21, 04 5:22am
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Yosi - you are fucked in the head.
Your hatred is quite disturbing Yosi. We are talking about children being caught in the crossfire of hateful adults on both sides of the killing/hateful spectrum. However, remember this, you get what you put out into the world, if you chose the path of hate, insensitivity, and lack compassion for your fellow man, woman and CHILD, be prepared to pay whatever fate/god/karma deem your reward(s) and/or payment(s)/punishment(s). It is truly amazing how people get all wrapped up in the illogical worship of hate and allow their pride to guide their souls (others they claim to love) to self total destruction, mortal human beings, many are such a waste of time and flesh ~ how sad...
Barbara_B_C - spot on
WHERE IS UN TO PROTECT THE jEWS FROM CAR BOMBERS.jEWS SHOULD QUIT THE UN,MOSLEMS CONTROL UN
From your words barbara, one can easily mistake and think that the lives of the Israelis would be peaceful if they won't defend themselves. Well, for one and a half years, Israel held back, untill the result was too hard to stand - with over 100 casualities in one month. All your pacifistic words and ideas are shattered once you are in real situation of war of existence. So I don't think that the fact that I approve and defend my army's actions and mistake mean that I hate Palestinians. I know that if no one does it, the terror will be on the next bus or cafe. I trust the IDF and know that it is way better and human than any terrorist group and other armies as well.
by Yosi on Fri May 21, 04 9:58am
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Yosi, you have decided what your fate will be, nothig that I nor anyone else say, will change that, good luck to you.
usvet57: Both sides are killing each other, if you kill another human being in the name of hate, indifference, greed, pride, the GOD you worship, religion, and what or in the name of whom ever, it really doesn't matter, because you are still a KILLER of human beings. Both sides are equally guilty of being murderers, and until both sides recognize this FACT, the killing continues in the name of what and or whom they believe. You support the Jews, someone else supports the Muslims, I on the other hand support the innocent victims who have no say so in the matter until the adults in their lives instructs them to hate the other side because of...
Israel is an illegal occupation and should not be recognized as a sovereign state.
Barbara, there are some arguments coming from better articulated people, that do much more impression on me, and shake, temporarily my beliefs. This is not the case in this site, when people actually saying that my country has no right to defend me, when it comes to more than just praying that the next suicide bomber will be caught before he explodes himself. Excuse me for demanding more from my country...
Anyway, when it comes to killing innocents, don't you think there is a difference if it is made by mistake or actual intention? For them (terrorists) we are all mobile targets, they don't care who they'll hit. Our troops has to hit the militants from surrounding full with civilians which are not targets in any way. Eventually you'll miss, but if a soldier followed the rules, and actually made an honst mistake, he would get my full support.
by Yosi on Fri May 21, 04 3:43pm
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As Stated by Yosi: Barbara, there are some arguments coming from better articulated people, that do much more impression on me, and shake, temporarily my beliefs. You insulting me doesn't surprise nor affect me on any level, and quite frankly, I expected such a response from a hater such as yourself. You believe you are correct in what you say and how you feel about other HUMAN BEINGS and that is your right to do so. However, attempting to insult me only proves my point about YOU and those whom YOU resemble in beliefs and your undying hatred. FYI, check your sentence structure before pushing the button DUMMY ~ Arrivederci!
Did I just see a pot call a kettle black?
I think that from us, you are the one who can't understand that you are incorrect. And the attempt to present me like a fixed minded right wing extremist proves just that. It's very popular these days to call people who believe in what I believe 'right wing extremist', here and even in Israel. But what I said was consistant, and earlier I wasn't perceived as illogical person. For me, it just proves how you and other Israelis, are swept away in emotions according to the current, temporal events - the killing of 13 of our soldiers, and the Rafah incursions, and the suffering it causes. Those are very hard events, but you can't decide on such plans, that will completely change the future, and possibly to the worst, because of the impression and emotions caused by current events. So my attitude is perceived as accepting and encouraging such events, but actually those are the irregular events caused by my attitude. Over 2 years now, we haven't had such series of events like we did in March 2002, terror decreased, Arafat is on his way out, Intifada approval among Palestinians is down from about 90% to just over 50%. So don't be so surprised when I attack you for calling me fixed or hater, because I know what I really am, and I don't want another major wave of terror in my country. You don't seem to understand that if you tell someone like me that he is not allowed to ask his country for security, and he is a hater, for merely trying to defend himself, you won't get possitive responses nor results and impact. And that's regardless of how willing is that person to accept other thoughts than his.
by Yosi on Sat May 22, 04 1:38am
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Oh sure Yosi, if you say all that enough times, even you will begin to believe all that yourself. As for you dixie chick, wit is not your best suit, I suggest you get back to those septic tanks ~ Arrivederci, you stooges.
Barbara,
You continue to amaze me with your inability to fashion a piquant remark. As for the septic tank, they are your relatives down there, not mine. You attend to them.
:-)
Who made me a student jerk? I can't send public messages to other users now... I wonder if that one will get through...
by Yosi on Sun May 23, 04 6:57am
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Protesting can be deadly for peaceful and rational Palestinians. There is the threat of death from Israeli warning rockets, mortars, and gunfire. It is interesting that no secret tunnels have been found and yet over 1,100 people are newly homeless. Over 40 Palestinians have died. How should a peaceful, rational and possibly innocent Palestinian feel towards Israel? What means exist for justice for an innocent person whose life was destroyed?
2 tunnels exposed and destroyed, the third will be destroyed during the day, making more Palestinians homeless, because of the terrorists who connected tunnel to their house.
"What means exist for justice for an innocent person whose life was destroyed?"
Israeli court.
by Yosi on Mon May 24, 04 6:08am
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2 tunnels were exposed and destroyed, a third will be destroyed today. Innocent Palestinians whoxe houses were destroyed illegaly can always adress Israeli courts.
by Yosi on Mon May 24, 04 6:10am
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No, but he can make sure that the soldier would be punished, if he did anything wrong.
by Yosi on Tue May 25, 04 3:37am
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During the peace process America was impartial, and contributed by hosting summit, mediating and lots of other stuff. But if you compare America's line to other countries, it was the most pro Israeli, or the least pro Palestinian, maybe except Micronesia. That is because the US today, is the only country which is powerful and independent enough, which enables it to adopt independent foreign policy. The europeans and the rest of the world, are too afraid to be seen as pro Israelis, because of the oil weapon held by the Arabs, and simply because it's billion muslims against 10 million jews. Now, when the Intifada broke out, it is harder to remain neutral, especially when you are the only superpower, so there was a slight movement towards the Israeli line. After 9/11, the US has gradually understand what we are fighting against, and why this war must be won, so it moved further into the pro Israeli line. 9/11 was planned when America was impartial, but the Arabs always see America as Israel's ally, but it has nothing to do with what's happenning now, because even when the Intifada broke out - Seotember 2000, the US didn't support us as it is today.
If you don't like US foreign policy you can vote and change that, but don't let Osama and the rest of your enemies do those decisions for you. You shouldn't be in a position that anybody who don't like your policies can change them by terror and violence, you should make sure that those who already hit you, won't be able to do so, and those who plan to, will understand that their actions won't bring any change.
by Yosi on Thu May 27, 04 12:50pm
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Anonymous, you are twisting history. Palestine was never a seperated country, its 'citinzens' were always Arab citinzens of the Ottoman empire, and later, British mandate, and the Arabs immigrated to and from Palestine throughout the years. In general, immigration was allowed also to foreign citinzens - in the meanning of non Ottoman citinzens - like the jews, but the local population of Palestine changed too, when circulation of Arabs from the middle east came to Palestine and left it. In 1947, about 70% of the Palestinians in Palestine, weren't deceandants of the people who lived there in 1830. The British mandate specifically allowed Jewish immigration to Israel, and the settlers always bought legaly the soil they settled from the local Arab population.
"If a bunch of Native Americans took over my community, killed my family, and bulldozed my house, I'd probably be mad too."
Don't you think that the naitive Americans from whom your family stole their lands, were angry too? The difference is, that your family just shot and killed them, and nobody seemed to care.
by Yosi on Fri May 28, 04 12:59am
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'Who made me a student jerk? I can't send public messages to other users now...'
Welcome to the club, Yosi. I guess it takes one to know one, huh? ;)
Senator Ernest Hollings is right! Belated, but right.
'There's a whole lotta occupyin' goin' on out there.' Senator Ernest Hollings
Yeah, well, I see that I've returned to the good old - not enough samples to produce a title.
by Yosi on Sun May 30, 04 6:53am
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isreal should take ALL their land BY FORCE!!
Israel will likely pull America down with it.
Gee, at that rate (65 in one day) one wonders why they would want to move there in 1947.
Yosi adresses this issue like a true zionist. Propaganda, mistruths and outright lies. At least hes not being uncharacteristicly israeli.
What a joke of a ballot. UN wrong...Isreal right.
The UN is historically on of the most anti-isreali organizations there is...Shame on the UN. Whatever they say to israel should be ignored.
Palistinian "peaceful" protest=teenagers throwing rocks and molatov cocktails at IDF.(In this rare case, israeli forces didn't see the "peaceful" protest)
Palastinian leadership=terrorist organization.
Isreal crackdown in Gaza=The IDF protecting its citizens from terrorist threats.
Keep it up Israel. Never back down and never give into the people that want to see you eradicated.
Yeah, killing all the jews in the US, will do wonders to your international image. You'll be as popular as Hitler.
by Yosi on Thu Jun 03, 04 1:59am
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'Yeah, killing all the Jews in the US, will do wonders to your international image. You'll be as popular as Hitler.'
And to think TIME Magazine named him Man of the Year.
'I stand with Yosi all you left wing camel fuckers!'
Sewer mouth?
'All you liberals are the first ones to scream racism in America. Now read your filthy murderous statements and realize who the racists are!'
The Lubavitchers?
'Left wing commie traitors and Islamic Satan-worshippers these are the real racists!'
Should I worship Jews instead?
'Islamos and leftist liberals are the worlds new NAZIS!'
Oh, really? Okay, if you say so.
'All liberals will burn in HELL with their Muslim brethren and ALLAH!'
Ooh, now that's devastating. But even Yosi can't get to heaven if he doesn't believe in it. Do you stand with him now?
Mohammed was a pedophile.
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