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Iraq was supposed to be "a cakewalk" but it has turned into an appalling mess. Instead of making America a safer place it is now more at risk than ever. Some people warned that this would happen and you know the ones who supported the war and carried on whining about WMD that were never there.
And it has not finished yet. Not by a long chalk. And I fear it will end with America being humiliated before the entire world.
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If the world united against the USA, we'd end up in another dark age.
How do you know that America is less safe now?
The radical Islamists will always try to terrorize America, unless their demands are fulfilled, but the war on terror shows the host nations that 'they're either against us or with us', meaning that letting terror organizations operate from their soil undisturbed is not acceptable, nor the development of WMD that will eventually lick to the terror groups. Libya already got the message with no need of war, and stopped its most advanced nuclear program, and stopped its support of terror, Syria started acting in the right direction, but needs further clarifications, and Iran has done signs of accepting international inspection on its nuclear program, but they're now using the US election to escape that. Only recently Arafat deployed some of his troops to prevent rocket shooting on Israeli towns near Gaza strip.
And I think that threatning Americans with a third world war, in which they'll be alone, is much more ridicules than terror alerts, and concern over Iran's nuclear advance.
by Yosi on Tue Aug 10, 04 8:18am
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And I think that threatning Americans with a third world war, in which they'll be alone, is much more ridicules than terror alerts, and concern over Iran's nuclear advance.
by Yosi on Aug 10, 2004
I've got that little gem copied, yosi. When WW3 happens (as it inevitably will) I will post it back up. You probably won't be on this site by then.
Somehow I'm not concerned.
by Yosi on Tue Aug 10, 04 10:00am
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YOure not concerned of ww yosi?
by asdf on Tue Aug 10, 04 10:35am
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Despite the fact that people who know what is going on have been saying for ages that there is going to be a war, and the fact that the situation in the middle east is rapidly deteriorating, yosi still thinks that there will be no war. And when the situation worsens still further, yosi will come up with another brainless excuse why the wars against civilisation are a necessary thing. At best, yosi, your reading of the situation is pathetic.
Oh, no, don't back down now, you promised a third world war, that will directly result from the war on terror.
And I don't think that the situation in the middle east is deteriorating that badly, at least not on the surface. But Iran's attempts to gain nuclear capability will be an ever growing source of deterioration. The question is, whether we cut it now, or deal with it after it's irreversible.
by Yosi on Tue Aug 10, 04 11:56am
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But you admit it is deteriorating.
Right now 1/2 of us are and 1/2 of us aren't. We'll see what happens.
A) there is going to be no third world war, at least not over this
B) the entire world wouldn't unite over anything, ever.
C) no one has the military strength to take us on.
D) the majority of people in the world don't really care about the US either way, certainly not enough to to get killed over it
E) you're full of shit cretin.
herzog, I can see that you're in true form today, just like an ostrich with its head buried in the sand. lol
It's deteriorating towards what will be at best (or worst) a regional war, between Shi'ites and Americans, Israelis. The rest of the Arab governments doesn't really like Iran's extreme fundemental islamic government, which inspires same coups in their countries too. And I don't see any other foreign power joins the Shi'ites.
by Yosi on Wed Aug 11, 04 1:31am
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Or of course a nuclear holocaust, if we ignore the threats today.
by Yosi on Wed Aug 11, 04 1:43am
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War supporters really get on my tits. Any excuse why war is necessary. All based on bullshit intelligence. Keep defending Bush you idiots.
Good thing you didn't have to resort to childish namecalling eh cretin?
"Why, of course the people don't want war ... But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
--Hermann Goring,
Nazileader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II
So yosi says that if Iraq were not attacked and basically fucked up for years to come there would be a nuclear war. yosi = Goebbels.
Iran, Iran, cretin.
If we don't attack in the near future, we will lose our exclusive role in deciding whether nukes will be used or not, as mine (and your) enemies arm themselves with nuclear weapons.
I guess that you think that waiting untill the country is attacked, with the most deadly weapon available, before starting a war is a better option. I would've written cretin = Chamberlin, but he snapped out of it before Britain was attacked.
by Yosi on Wed Aug 11, 04 8:05am
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All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
By Hermann Goring
And...
The only question is whether your country will or will not be attacked, and I have no idea why do you think that you're able or qualified to determine that.
by Yosi on Wed Aug 11, 04 11:45am
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Attacked with WMD from Iraq? Unbuilt nuclear weapons from Iran?
It reminds me of this Kissinger quote.
*Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.*
Iraq's WMD and Iran's unbuilt nuclear weapons (as well as stupid asserions that Islam as a whole is trying to take over the world) are PROMULGATED threats.
Just to mention CS .UK gave nuclear arms meterials to Iran recently and Bush gave the go ahead for further funding of the NK nuclear reactors
Tell it to the survivors of Halabjah, and Iranian officials who denied of course that their nuclear program is headed for weapons, but still present this and their long range missile projects as 'defensive'.
Iran's involvement and arming of numerous terror groups is proven, and some details are not even denied, the question is, how safe will you be in hypothetical situation of nuclear Iran that gave Hezbollah or any other Palestinian terror groups, components for dirty bomb, for example, which were shot, or used through suicide bombers at Israeli targets.
by Yosi on Thu Aug 12, 04 3:16am
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Do you seriously think the Iraq war has made USA safer... LOL!- ur funny.
After the Iraq war do you think that Al-Qaeda is loosing influence? If anything more people would be willing to join them. Moderate anti-americans are more likely to cross the line into extremism now. Iraq didn't even have nuclear capabilities to give terrorists.
Political hot spots in Asia concern me more than the 'war on terrorism' in the middle-east. North-South Korean tension, US-China conflict concerning Taiwan, and India-Pakistan tension for Kashmir: these are conflicts capable of exploding into nuclear war, and for some possibly ww3.
The US and its unilateralism is making every nation feel threatened by them.
Even if the war in Iraq has caused more worthless people to become terrorists, those people are going to Iraq to fight us. I'd rather fight them in Iraq then in the USA. American civilians probably are safer because of the war.
Ultimately what I am trying to get across with this ballot is that.
Are U.S. American citizens going to be comfortable with the thought that their government, military forces, secret services and police will be compared to the Nazis of World War 2 if a global conflict is started by their government.
thc2883- American civillians are not safer. Just because of the conflict in Iraq, it doesn't mean Al-Qaeda no longer feels the desire to commit terrorism on American soil. And civillians are still being killed- the Iraqis. Meanwhile, Europe will probably have to put up with all the refugees because of a mess the US created!!!
That's great! Europe will be taking care of America's problems for a change, instead of America cleaning up Europe's mess.
And just because al qaeda still hates us doesn't mean we're not safer.
It's not about trying to make Al-Qaeda love USA. It should be about preventing more people from becoming radical. Invading Iraq only created MORE terrorists, potential NEW members of Al-Qaeda. Anti-Americanism has gone up EVERYWHERE. Do you seriously think you are capturing, killing and disuading more terrorists everyday than the radicals are recruiting, training and deploying against you???
Thanks to the Iraq war the answer is NO.
To add to this you have lost support of allies. Yes, I know USA is capable of unilateralism, however, it would still be in your best interest if US had help to carry the burden. Your list of allies will get thinner and thinner (and i'm not merely talking about France and Germany- it's bigger than that!). It's gotten to the point that if a leader is seen by their public as being pro-American- they can kiss their re-election goodbye, and the more anti-American oppostion leader will replace him/her and be less commited to helping you in the so called 'war on terrorism'. Public opinion in other countries is very anti-american now, thanks to the Iraq war, and this public pressure forces their governments' approach to be less commited to helping US. And Full international co-operation is needed if you expect to get any where on a 'war on terrorism'. USA is alot less safer now because of the Iraq war!!!
The people who would be terrorists are relatively static, we're just bringing them out of hiding so we can kill them now instead of later, and kill them in their lands instead of ours. Americans in the states are safer than they would have been without a war in the middle east.
France and Germany didn't support the war because they were making money off of the old Iraq. They didn't want to give up any market share to the USA which I'm sure Bush offered as a compromise, now they will get nothing. The EU is finding out how the big boys play. The recently "weak" dollar is probably a way to punish Europe. The CPI here has risen less than usual these past couple years, meaning the things we regularly buy don't cost anymore. But at the same time goods from Europe cost more. Guess who's getting screwed.
It's more than just France and Germany. My last post applies to ALL countries. My prediction is that you will eventually run out of allies altogether. Public pressure will force governments to adopt more anti-american policies, whether they are your allies or enemies. THIS IS NOT ONLY ABOUT FRANCE AND GERMANY!!! Even your 'loyal' Italy, Poland, Japan, S Korea, Australia- I'd keep an eye on their local politics- there's alot of public pressure to be more anti-american in ALL of these countries and evey single other country.
"Guess who's getting screwed."- yeah i'm aware. ALL of Europe is the answer- 'New' and 'Old' Europe- regardless of which countries supported/opposed the war.
And sorry i'm not convinced. If US wants to defeat terrorism they need to prevent more people from becoming terrorists as well as destroying the existing ones. Vengeful Iraqis will become terrorists not in the name of Islam, but in the name of personal vengence. But it's impact has been even greater- by invading Iraq you have stirred people EVERYWHERE! Moderates as far as Indonesia are now more extreme!!! the deadliest terrorists are not coming out of hiding- they're under-the-radar ones- planning major large terrorist acts. Furthermore, the children of today are going to probably grow up to be more hateful than their parents by the way. The Iraq War has made things worse. Terrorism is actually on the rise- and you lack international sympathy or even empathy, the majority of people around the world hate you now. By the way the 'war' on terrorism can not be won the way your going. Propaganda is the best weapon (you did it so well in the Cold War- bombarding Eastern Europe with pro-American propaganda). The art of propaganda will prevent the moderates from becoming extreme. As for those already extreme- it obviously won't work- they are the ones to defeat the old-fashioned way.
I often wonder why we don't make use of propaganda like we used to. I've said it before,
I'd rather let the rest of the world do its own thing. I still believe we are safer now than we were before Iraq. Terrorism may have increased but it's happening over there and not here. The majority of people around the world don't care enough to either hate or love us.
who told you that??I've never heard of it.
We are in a war now, and have been the target of the terrorists since the "Six Day War" of '67
It's beginning to look like destruction is what they - the warmongers - want.
The "evil" Muslims probably want the land and property they owned back.
yer in your face.... what?
a bunch of wussy terrorists is going to whoop us! still can't believe the lib/demos don't get what the war is about?
p.s cretin_slap war is never a cakewalk, but sometimes you just have to fight the saddams of the world
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