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I'm not really sure which came first, so to say one was the birt of the other, especially sine you have two different genres entirely makes it a little hard to see your point. I personally know form having grown up on the New Jersey, and having gone to New York very much when I was younger, that people where rapping in all kinds of place, like in the parks, and around the neighborhoods where my relatives lived as early as 73-74, it just wasn't commercially successful till the late 70's, but there were any underground tapes and albums made. Then there's the fact that initial rap was not as hostile, or negetive, as it is now, and were just lyrics about going to the club, and dancing, and having fun (at least the ones that the radio would play). It wasn't till "The Message" by Furious Five that rap started having a more political based message, that was easier for radio station to play (they finallt got the nerve to play the good stuff in the mid ninties) I'm not really familiar with punk so I might be wrong of which one came out first, but the only way it couldv'e influenced rap was if people who went on to do rap listen to punk. I, being someone who listened to rap since I first heard it, have never listened to punk. It just doesn't doany thing to me, neither does rock. I don't remember anyone I hung out with listening to punk. Back then that's what the guys, and girls with spiked hair listened to, who dresed in ripped clothes, and leather listened to. It was a totally diferent crowd. the people who initially listen to rap, where the same people who went to discos, and listen to dance music, because all early rap had disco music, and r&b as the background. I can't imagine how one would influence the other. Just my Opinion.
Two completely different genres of anger, I'd say.
Punk opened the door for loud anti-establishment anger, then rap became a natural extension of that anger, but the anger was/is directed in a different direction.
It's an interesting question, though, and the to would seem to be linked. Both are reactionary, but towards different types of perceived social injustice.
* strike 'to' from that last comment.
I meant 'two' lol.
raps not about anti government, the idiots who make it probably dont know what a government is, let alone spell it. All rap is about is shooting people, pimpin' hoes, and smoking crack. Made by idiots and appeals to idiots.
Some rap is directed in rage against police, corruption and government, though.
When the Clash first heard rap in New York they incorportated it into "This is Radio Clash". To me that's a clear example of rap influencing punk.
Aerosmith was the first band to ever start rap. I say rappers got the idea to start rap from Aerosmith because of a few songs they did.
mysticalknight
This is Radio Clash came out in 1979.
No, wait a sec it must have come out a bit later than that.
1980 ok I was close
What a bold statement, too bad you didn't have the balls to leave that comment under your registered name.
None of it would exist if it were not for the blues. Don't argue, I am right. But my personal opinion is rap is crap invented by idiots who can't play. They are not musicians.
I used to listen to rap exclusively until I discovered punk. I grew tired of rappers bashing white people, so I switched to punk.
lowerclassbrats
Which rappers bashed white people?
Lots of rappers bash white people, dont ask me which ones because I dont listen to the shit.
Shhh, you're gonna get us accused of all sorts of shit!!
Ice Cube, Puiblic Enemy, Da Lench Mob, Schooly D, Brand Nubian blah blah blag. Just a few who have bashed whites.
Oh and did you know that Ice Cube hates Jews along with dozens of other rappers?
Research it and you will be amazed.
God damn, now you've gone and done it.
Xylophonemeister666x
Thanks for that but could you give me some examples.
For eample what have Ice Cube or Puiblic Enemy said?
I have no idea who Da Lench Mob, Schooly D, Brand Nubian are or think I ever will.
Swing by on the pale guy. . . . break him in the neck. . . . the guerrilla with the poison tip. . . . shaking pinky up on a dull-ass ice-pick . . . this is Lench Mob. . . . devil, what you want to do; when you see the boot, knew your head is hoohoo - King of the Jungle by Da lench Mob
These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad motherfucking daylight; 12 o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night - swaetin bullets by Brand Nubian
Won't be satisfied until the devils-I see them all dead. . . . my brother is sending me more guns from down South. . . . pale face. . . . it's all about brothers rising up, wising up, sizing up our situation. . . . you be fucking with my turf when you be fucking with my race; now face your maker and take your last breath; the time is half-past death. . . . it's the Armageddon. . . . go into the garage; find that old camouflage. . . . cracker-shooting nightly - What the fuck by Brand Nubian
Bust a Glock; devils get shot. . . . when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast. . . . I'm killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday. . . . don't bust until you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin. . . . Louis Farrakhan . . . Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy - Enemy by Ice Cube
We're having thoughts of overthrowing the government. . . . the brothers and sisters threw their fists in the air. . . . it's open season on crackers, you know; the morgue will be full of Caucasian John Doe's. . . . I make the Riot shit look like a fairy tale. . . . oh my god, Allah, have mercy; I'm killing them devils because they're not worthy to walk the earth with the original black man; they must be forgetting; it's time for Armageddon, and I won't rest until they're all dead - Goin bananas by Da lench Mob
Buck the devil; boom. . . . shoot you with my .22; I got plenty of crew; I take out white boys. . . . we got big toys with the one-mile scope, taking whitey's throat - Buck tha devil by Da lench Mob
It's a case of divide-and-conquer,
cuz you let a Jew break up my crew - No Vaseline by Ice Cube
Cuz you can't be the Nigga 4 Life crew
with a white Jew tellin' you what to do - No Vaseline by Ice Cube
Trying to be White or a Jew
But ask yourself, who are they to be equal to?
Get the hell out
Stop being an Uncle Tom, you little sell-out
House nigga scum
- True to the game by Ice Cube
"If the Palestinians took up arms, went into Israel and killed all the Jews, it'd be alright" - Quote from Public Enemy's Professor Griff in a 1988 interview. Leader Chuck D later said that he supported all of Griffs views no matter what they were.
Swing by on the pale guy. . . . break him in the neck. . . . the guerrilla with the poison tip. . . . shaking pinky up on a dull-ass ice-pick . . . this is Lench Mob. . . . devil, what you want to do; when you see the boot, knew your head is hoohoo - King of the Jungle by Da lench Mob
These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad motherfucking daylight; 12 o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night - swaetin bullets by Brand Nubian
Won't be satisfied until the devils-I see them all dead. . . . my brother is sending me more guns from down South. . . . pale face. . . . it's all about brothers rising up, wising up, sizing up our situation. . . . you be fucking with my turf when you be fucking with my race; now face your maker and take your last breath; the time is half-past death. . . . it's the Armageddon. . . . go into the garage; find that old camouflage. . . . cracker-shooting nightly - What the fuck by Brand Nubian
Bust a Glock; devils get shot. . . . when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast. . . . I'm killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday. . . . don't bust until you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin. . . . Louis Farrakhan . . . Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy - Enemy by Ice Cube
We're having thoughts of overthrowing the government. . . . the brothers and sisters threw their fists in the air. . . . it's open season on crackers, you know; the morgue will be full of Caucasian John Doe's. . . . I make the Riot shit look like a fairy tale. . . . oh my god, Allah, have mercy; I'm killing them devils because they're not worthy to walk the earth with the original black man; they must be forgetting; it's time for Armageddon, and I won't rest until they're all dead - Goin bananas by Da lench Mob
Buck the devil; boom. . . . shoot you with my .22; I got plenty of crew; I take out white boys. . . . we got big toys with the one-mile scope, taking whitey's throat - Buck tha devil by Da lench Mob
It's a case of divide-and-conquer,
cuz you let a Jew break up my crew - No Vaseline by Ice Cube
Cuz you can't be the Nigga 4 Life crew
with a white Jew tellin' you what to do - No Vaseline by Ice Cube
Trying to be White or a Jew
But ask yourself, who are they to be equal to?
Get the hell out
Stop being an Uncle Tom, you little sell-out
House nigga scum
- True to the game by Ice Cube
"If the Palestinians took up arms, went into Israel and killed all the Jews, it'd be alright" - Quote from Public Enemy's Professor Griff in a 1988 interview. Leader Chuck D later said that he supported all of Griffs views no matter what they were.
Thanks for clearing that up.
So you aren't listening to any rap or these rappers?
I used to listened to rap like 15 years ago.
I'm rolling my eyes as we speak.
That Ice Cube is just adorable. I'm going to take the family to see some of his movies.
Just because they're related does'nt mean one would'nt be possible without the other. They both carry a message that people want to hear, and are both a similar type of backlash to the norms of society.
by OJD on Mon Jan 31, 05 2:07pm
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"Then there's the fact that initial rap was not as hostile, or negetive, as it is now, and were just lyrics about going to the club, and dancing, and having fun"
don't forget the womanizing. that stuff still exists. i call it "playa" rap, as opposed to "gangsta" rap. either way, it's image music, superficial crap. every kind of music has it's superficial crap. it's rare to find anything genuine. i'd say eminem is genuine, though.
most punk is crap too. it's just fast-paced burban white boy crap. "poor me, poor me, i'm a child of rich white people who could afford to buy me a guitar so i could make money singing unoriginal shit every other punk band has already done."
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