result #51744 - AMERICANS: "ALL FOR THE UNITED STATES, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES AND NO ONE AGAINST THE UNITED STATES." AGREE/DISAGREE?

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AMERICANS: "ALL FOR THE UNITED STATES, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES AND NO ONE AGAINST THE UNITED STATES." AGREE/DISAGREE?


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created Mon Sep 20, 04
Should this be the doctrine of US foreign policy? This is aimed specifically at Americans.

No, I disagree with it 36
Yes, I agree with it 35

Ballot #51744: has 71 total votes.
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COMMENTS:
No ... a simplistic bit of Nationalism that will invariably result in making us bit players on the world stage, over time.

Unfortunately, that sentiment seems to currently be in vogue. I cna only hope we wise up.

by Cathexis on Mon Sep 20, 04 11:46am [+]

Or you could just say GREED GREED GREED
by B_P on Mon Sep 20, 04 11:48am [+]

Heaven help us if it is.
by mojo on Mon Sep 20, 04 11:49am [+]

Sure, count me in. I'm tired of paying taxes to clean up the s**tholes of the world. Where was our aid when half the country was racked by three hurricanes this month?
by Stewie on Mon Sep 20, 04 11:51am [+]

I guess 9/11 never taught many of you anything. How many more have to take place?
by Jigsaw on Mon Sep 20, 04 12:02pm [+]

hurricanes caused by global warming caused mainly due to americas irresponsible attitude to conservation! america is like the smoker who goes to hospital and cant understand why they wont help with his lung cancer! "but i pay my taxes and help people" says the smoker! sorry to late says the doctor! is it too late for america? who will help if it all goes wrong! not sure anyone at the moment! nothing personal guys
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 12:07pm [+]

and who wants to help a smoker when your forced into being a pssive smoker because you cant leave the room????
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 12:09pm [+]

passive`
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 12:10pm [+]

Arrogance is dangerous, isolationist and ultimately self-destructive.
by mojo on Mon Sep 20, 04 12:29pm [+]

I would prefer not to get involved with foreign affairs as much as we do but we benefit from contact with other nations. I say more isolationism but not complete isolationism.
by MrTroche on Mon Sep 20, 04 1:28pm [+]

Eurotopia?? LOL! SURELY you JEST! You and your topia will be the first ones on the phone BEGGING us to change our position because some little, ugly German (Austrian Jew) with one ball is taking over topia! hahaha If it were not for Europes lack of manhood and relevance I'd might say no! LOL!
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 2:07pm [+]

what always gets me about the second world war is why britain opposed germany! Hitler had no plans for britain and it makes me wonder where america would be if we`d had the sense to stay out of it!
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 4:42pm [+]

We would've probably joined up with Hitler.
by MrTroche on Mon Sep 20, 04 4:49pm [+]

you really want to believe that don't you?

you need to feel morally superior.

Why don't you point you judgemental finger which it belongs - at the ones that we are fighting
by SnapperHead on Mon Sep 20, 04 5:42pm [+]

God I've never been to Europe but I am starting the hate these Europeans...
by danny_mack on Mon Sep 20, 04 6:01pm [+]

"....corporate- managed, government- assisted, bank- laundered, drug- funded plunder. And a jolt to spur our movements to take back the world. -- Chellis Glendinning, PhD, author of Chiva: A Village Takes on the Global Heroin Trade and Off the Map: An Expedition Deep into Empire and the Global Economy


The American Dream -- The US does the borrowing.Everyone else does the owing
by bigmonkeynuts on Mon Sep 20, 04 6:39pm [+]

good danny mack coz then hopefully thats one les american moron we have to put up with!
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 7:04pm [+]

** karma **
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Sep 20, 04 9:40pm [+]

babu! a prime example of americam manhood! not! i just wish we`d have gone with the germans because we had the choice! wasnt it a european that developed the atom bomb? you know einstein? then booom no more americans! we chose the wrong side i guess!! no jews either! bugger!
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Sep 21, 04 7:27pm [+]

No Einstien had the theory... Robert Oppenhiemer made it come true you stupid limey cunt, depender on America for your WEE islands survival...go suck a PAKI dick you stupid git!
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Sep 21, 04 7:58pm [+]

yeah trust a yank to steal! and no einstein wouldnt give the solution away but a yank would destroy millions! shame it was only the world trade center!
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Sep 21, 04 8:56pm [+]

Your stupidity deserves nothing more than a bearded PAKI (your next door neighbor) fucking your fat-ass "mum" in her hemroidal cunt! You're still alive BITCH!, for the moment! Why don't you make it something more than the World Trade Center? You pasty-faced POOF! Coward!
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Sep 21, 04 9:48pm [+]

NEXT!
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Sep 21, 04 9:50pm [+]

You know, you really do a good job at making yourself look like a complete dumbass when you bring in the racial slurs.
by Jigsaw on Tue Sep 21, 04 11:16pm [+]

A prime example of why the rest of the world is starting to hate america! pity when i was small we all wanted to live there! Now I`m glad I have muslim friends because i dont have to feel the same level of xenophobia when i consider islam! NEXT what? next argument you can lose bobo?
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 6:42am [+]

Shit, I could handle having friends of other races when I was 4 and I can still do it today. A lot of people here are adults and still haven't matured to the level I was at when I was 4.
by Jigsaw on Wed Sep 22, 04 9:23am [+]

i completely agree jigsaw but some people are so full of hate it wont happen! it goes back to an unhappy childhood as a rule! these people condemn others and then go and make their children into victims too! but they never learn! its just all you can do to hope they feel something every now and then
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 2:04pm [+]

** karma **
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 3:16pm [+]

you mean like americans in vietnam??? killing children coz they were in the way!! or do you mean what happend in the war of independence when american troops took an english school and threatened to kill the children if they didnt leave? your full of hate and therefore share more similarities between the people who killed the children is beslan than i ever will!! go see a doctor before you kill someone! although suicide would be a good career move!
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 4:51pm [+]

Next...hahahaha
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 6:53pm [+]

Good thing for karma ratings. Thanks LCD.
by Jigsaw on Wed Sep 22, 04 8:59pm [+]

Yet again Babu, you reinforce your dumbass status. If it's respect you're looking for, believe me you aren't getting any.
by Jigsaw on Wed Sep 22, 04 9:01pm [+]

** karma **
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 9:38pm [+]

LOL
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Sep 22, 04 9:39pm [+]

The results of this ballot only prove that more than half of Americans are evil fascists (most-likely the right-wing).
by EUROTOPIA on Thu Sep 23, 04 4:32am [+]

Nationalism does not equal facism.
by MrTroche on Thu Sep 23, 04 6:45am [+]

Wow Babu, you sure reinforce American stereotypes well. Racism, overall low intelligence, etc. I really hate believing stereotypes, someone please prove me wrong.
by Jigsaw on Thu Sep 23, 04 8:56am [+]

nationalism doesnt mean nothing outside the states! that does equal fascism! and babu i meant you should kill yourself and do the world a favour! does america really need people like this? Like a hole in the head!
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 23, 04 10:19am [+]

What? Write something coherent.
by MrTroche on Thu Sep 23, 04 12:07pm [+]

Euro-SHITE will always be jealous and preoccupied with Americas every move! They're pissed 'cause we sent they're faggoty assed rotten teeth back to dear old shite-e! Because their "beagle two" was a real dog and we've currently have TWO rovers on Mars sending back GREAT pics and knowledge! Or maybe their pissed because their leader Queen Charles is a bigger faggot than all of their fathers combined! Fuck Europe! You all DESERVE EACH OTHER! Punks! We've changed are phone number here. Call one of your PAKI neighbors to help you next time you need it!
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 23, 04 3:45pm [+]

I thought you were intelligent??? the grammar was a little shaky but it makes perfect sense! unlike your fellow american babellu! It`s a shame american government isn`t controlled by you babu then theyd stop asking us to join them in their silly war against terrorists that dont exist!!! you cant beat terrorism! mark my words there`ll be a muslim in the senate before long!
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 23, 04 6:12pm [+]

EURO: You have no mechanism to to keep anti-Americans from sabatoging this vote. I seriously doubt that 2 of 3 of Americans voted YES.

Your ballots & comments constantly attempt to make my country look bad. But your blatent prejudice against my country actually makes you look worse.
by SnapperHead on Thu Sep 23, 04 9:29pm [+]

A muslim Senator? You stupid limey, this is AMERICA not England/Pakitown! HAHAHAHA we don't hand our country over to those pig eat peodophiles like your country.... only more than happy to do! Your shitty, wee island once ruled 3/4 of the world! Nowadays, you give your jobs and benefits to people who pray to a PIG! WOW, you guys went from pricks to sappy camel-jockey LOVERS overnight! Any real Englishman on this site? hahahahahaha
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 23, 04 10:45pm [+]

SnapperHead, I don't know how many that voted 'yes' were American, but those that were are evil fascists.
by EUROTOPIA on Fri Sep 24, 04 8:25am [+]

MrTroche- "Nationalism does not equal facism."

Ha! It is fascism!!! I wanted to know if Americans support fascism- so I made this ballot. I wasn't just going to directly ask "Americans do you support fascism?', because they would have obviously denied it. The quote "All for the US, nothing outside the US and no one against the US." is just is just an altered version of the actual quote I got it from.

The original quote is: "All for the state, nothing outside the state and no one aginst the state" - (Benito Mussolini, 1925)

So any of those who voted 'yes' and ARE American, you have just admitted to being Mussolini fascists!!! HA! You are in no position to deny it now!!! TAKE THAT!! YEAH!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!

And as for Babu- you can ridicule Europeans all you want, but the fact is: your behaviour and attitude are actually very European-like- you behave like a 1930's fascist European!!! I remind you, you're no longer in a position to deny this- many of you have fallen into my trap and have confessed to being fascist!!!
by EUROTOPIA on Fri Sep 24, 04 8:48am [+]

LOL.
by Jigsaw on Fri Sep 24, 04 9:08am [+]

Fascism requires more than just nationalism. All fascists are nationalists but not all nationalists are fascists.

I wouldn't force fascism on this nation but if a nation were populated by only people like me, we would be fascists.
by MrTroche on Fri Sep 24, 04 11:57am [+]

Not all muslims are terrorists, but ALL terrorists are muslims! NEXT!
by xxxxxxxx on Fri Sep 24, 04 3:00pm [+]

There are terrorists around the world of all religions and races. Colombia, Ireland, United States, wherever you go.
by Jigsaw on Fri Sep 24, 04 5:00pm [+]

Yeah fascism requires combination of hard-core nationalism which ameircans have displayed support for, PLUS anti-socialism (which they obviously are). YOU FASCISTS!!! Accusing Europe of being radicals- when you are the radicals- you evil fascists!!!
by EUROTOPIA on Sat Sep 25, 04 11:10am [+]

Believe! Obey! Fight! - that is the American way.
by EUROTOPIA on Sat Sep 25, 04 11:12am [+]

Babu- since when were the IRA muslim- OR ETA? *Did they convert to Islam?* ...!
by EUROTOPIA on Sat Sep 25, 04 11:17am [+]

EUROTOPIA: "HA! You are in no position to deny it now!!! TAKE THAT!! YEAH!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!"

you are obnoxious and should Shut up.
by Baly3 on Sat Sep 25, 04 11:48am [+]

God BLESS the IRA and they should keep up the good work! haHAHAHAHAHa
by xxxxxxxx on Sat Sep 25, 04 5:01pm [+]

Wasn't Hitler a member of the national SOCIALISTS?
by MrTroche on Sat Sep 25, 04 6:30pm [+]

Hitler was no socialist! That would have involved equality for Jews, which he obviously was against!

Fascism emphasized intense NATIONALISM, productivism, antisocialism, elitism, and the need for a strong leader to stand up against international treaties and regulations.
by EUROTOPIA on Sat Sep 25, 04 10:35pm [+]

(National Socialist) - the ideology of the NSDAP (generally considered to be a variant of fascism under a misleading name).
by EUROTOPIA on Sat Sep 25, 04 10:37pm [+]

Hitler was brainwashed.Its extensively documented.In Pasewalk and was "owned" by the Thule Society.The Vril society as well ,german mysticism.
Germans protected lenin and gave 15 million marks to the communists the day after the came to power and support continued all the way through.friedrich engels, max Warburg, jacob schiff blabla
by bigmonkeynuts on Sat Sep 25, 04 11:24pm [+]

The german government also stated the bolshies would not have come to power at all without their support
by bigmonkeynuts on Sat Sep 25, 04 11:47pm [+]

Sounds like socialism to me. Just some of the Nazi party platform.



9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
by MrTroche on Sun Sep 26, 04 7:46am [+]

I don't think there's a single country in the world without some level of socialism.
by Jigsaw on Sun Sep 26, 04 2:10pm [+]

But the ones with the least amount of socialism are the most prosperous.
by MrTroche on Sun Sep 26, 04 5:35pm [+]

Not necessarily. Some of the most prosperous countries have quite a degree of socialism. Remember - socialism is not communism.
by Jigsaw on Sun Sep 26, 04 9:53pm [+]

"The german government also stated the bolshies would not have come to power at all without their support "

The Bolsheviks came in to power long before the Nazis came into power.
by Jigsaw on Sun Sep 26, 04 9:55pm [+]

I dont think Mr Spock was thinking of capitalism :)

Yes , jigsaw

But the german ww1 government were all aryan mystics with beliefs in supermen beneath the earths surface , a "swiss cheese " universe and so on.Hitler was chosen by them. The russian provisional government was fashioned after a US one but those who supported the tsar infilitrated the bolshies via the okhrana and took back the power again.Lenin was accused of being a german spy due to their aid.The Nazi party was merely another political front in the same fashion.
And again, given financial aid by london financiers who also of course gave loans to the brits to fight eachother.
by bigmonkeynuts on Mon Sep 27, 04 1:52am [+]

MrTroche- Hitler was the king of propaganda. He didn't believe in socialism or equality!

"All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties." - *Yeah!* Equality FOR ALL!... except Jews... and gypsies... and immigrants (legal or not)... oh and those of foreign ancestry... oh and homosexuals... and women. HA! The most important aspect of socialism is equality! Hilter obviously rejected this!

MrTroche we both know that Fascism is NOT socialism. But you are right it does SOUND like socialism. He manipulated it to get people to support him.

Oh and Hitler DESPISED the USSR- he felt that it was a nation in which the Jews had large control over!
by EUROTOPIA on Mon Sep 27, 04 10:26am [+]

The German Social Democratic Party (SDP) established in 1875, was the real socialist force in Germany. The Nazi Party banned the SDP in June 1933 and most of its leaders were arrested and sent to concentration camps.

Yes, sounds like fascists are huge fans of socialism.
by EUROTOPIA on Mon Sep 27, 04 11:01am [+]

The Nazis just sound like racist socialists.
by MrTroche on Tue Sep 28, 04 2:04pm [+]

'Racist' and 'socialist' contradict eachother.
by EUROTOPIA on Fri Oct 01, 04 3:21am [+]

Not at all, look at the racist democrats who support socialism here.
by MrTroche on Mon Oct 04, 04 5:48pm [+]

Which proves once and for all that the Democrats are not good enough to claim to be socialists. They have some over-lapping values, but those claims are false.
by EUROTOPIA on Tue Oct 05, 04 9:44am [+]

I know you yourself don't consider fascism to be socialist... MrTroche you earlier said:

"I wouldn't force fascism on this nation but if a nation were populated by only people like me, we would be fascists."

I know for a fact that you are not a socialist... yet you approve of fascism.
by EUROTOPIA on Tue Oct 05, 04 10:45am [+]

My version of fascism would be very different. An ethnic group composed of people like me would have a Libertarian government with a very strong military and we would be extremely nationalistic. However, we wouldn't have a socialist economy.
by MrTroche on Tue Oct 05, 04 1:38pm [+]

You sound like you're describing present-day America.
by EUROTOPIA on Thu Oct 07, 04 2:22am [+]

No way! We aren't even close to being Libertarian. Libertarians avoid wars if at all possible so we wouldn't be in Iraq right now. They are also against socialist policies and the income tax. My hypothetical society would only have a strong military to protect our great wealth.
by MrTroche on Thu Oct 07, 04 6:17pm [+]

No. Thats what starts wars
by Richard_Fitswell on Thu Nov 18, 04 8:26am [+]

No Americans think this way so quit your wining.
by USRocks on Mon Jun 13, 05 9:05pm [+]

What do you call the xenophobia on your behalf, Euro? Don't worry tho, its nice knowin the US could defeat the entire Euro continent at once (exclude uk cause they are our friends)
by CletuSlackedJawYokel on Sun Jul 24, 05 5:37pm [+]






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