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IMO, a draft (by whatever name/ spin) is unavoidable to meet personnel needs for current military obligations -- whoever gets into office.
I believe your bro is right: The military doesn't *want* a draft. But they may be forced into accepting one -- what is the alternative? Not having enough manpower?
Hard to know. The draft is was and will ever be a very unpopular move. Bush or Kerry may yet be forced into bringing it back out of sheer need. If the troops are needed but are not forthcoming whats the alternative. More mercenaries? Hardly the most cost effective.
by B_P on Thu Sep 30, 04 8:59am
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how do you day draft?
say draft?
Bush should be the first to go.
Nobody wants a draft except the democrats. The republicans would get creamed in the upcoming elections if they did, the military would lose it's effectivness and waste time and money training recruits who aren't motivated, it's a lose lose situation. Which is why it has only been proposed in front of congress by democrats.
Hey - you've been promoted to Village Idiot. Congratulations!
lol, I know keith
Rangel introduces bill to reinstate draft
Rumsfeld says he sees no need for military draft
Under his bill, the draft would apply to men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would be granted to allow people to graduate from high school, but college students would have to serve.
"Anyone who didn't qualify for military service because of impairments would be asked to perform community service,"Rangel said.
That would never make it through congress, if it did we would have a new congress in four years, which might not be a bad idea.
I love it, a democrat introduces a bill to institute the draft in a blatant partisan attempt to get people against the war, and next thing you know the newspapers are screaming 'bush wants to introduce draft'. Huh?
Who's telling you that the military does not want a draft? A draft would let the soldiers who have been in years over their term out finally. For example, my date to get out of the military was September 11th 2004 and whauddya know, I'm still here. Starting a draft would get the strain off the soldiers who have been stoplossed years over their initial enlistment. These people would like to go home.
Dingleberry. So you think the soldiers should all go home and put their feet up while cream of America's youth are slaughtered in Iraq?
The military draft will not be implemented unless there is some terrible national disaster that make it a foregone conclusion. Ha.
Probably a terrible disaster that Cheney said is inevitable. Durrrrrrrr.
Dingleberry. I'm sure you don't mean what I suggested. I take that back. I also apologise if I offended you.
'Who's telling you that the military does not want a draft? A draft would let the soldiers who have been in years over their term out finally. For example, my date to get out of the military was September 11th 2004 and whauddya know, I'm still here. Starting a draft would get the strain off the soldiers who have been stoplossed years over their initial enlistment. These people would like to go home.'
Everyone I've spoken to or heard talk on the subject has been against it. The pentagon doesn't want to waste money on training new recruits who are poorly motivated, the generals don't want to deal with sub standard soldiers with low morale, other soldiers don't want to have to place their lives in the hands of someone who doesn't really want to fight in the first place. There is no better way to destroy the proffessionalism and efficiency of our current military than by instituting a draft. A smaller army of volunteers is far superior, especially when that means more money can be spent training and equiping each individual soldier.
the generals don't want to deal with sub standard soldiers with low morale. By Herzog..
Generals are not the ones who deal with these soldiers, E-8s and below have to. I seriously doubt you heard a General saying this, especially on
television. Low moral of new recruits is the last thing on the Presidents mind if a draft becomes inevitable. And no, I'm not saying that a draft within the next few years is inevitable.
other soldiers don't want to have to place their lives in the hands of someone who doesn't really want to fight in the first place. By Herzog..
True, but do you think current soldiers would like to fight any more then they would?
There is no better way to destroy the proffessionalism and efficiency of our current military than by instituting a draft. By Herzog..
Ask a Vietnam vet and I'm sure he'll tell you how thankful he was to get his unit back up to combat strength when previously undermanned.
I sincerely hope your source for these arguments came from somewhere other than TV.
Dingleberry. So you think the soldiers should all go home and put their feet up while cream of America's youth are slaughtered in Iraq? By cretin...
No, you're right. Lets just forget about the soldiers who've already risked their lives on multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 2 years and try to get slaughtered our next time around so you and Herzog don't have to. Just keep your feet on that coffee table while we take care of your country. Take a look at my picture, I'm a youth for Christ's sake.
Just saw your message cretin, I apologise and no offense to you either, Herzog.
dingleberry why does the military exist? why did you join? it's all volunteer now.
No one made you join nor did they me, the purpose and only purpose of the military is to defend and fight for our country, not just wars we agree with. This is what is great about the all volunteer service, supposedly , the people who join understand that, apparently you did not, sorry you have to stay beyond your separation date, but when you do get out, tell your friends and family to make sure they know what they are doing before they even think about going in the service. Because with all due respect we do not want people whining that they have to do something they don't want to do , as for the same reason we don't want the draft.
The possibility
of war, the possibility
of staying beyond separation date if we do have war is always there.
With most wars this happens, do you think ww2 they told people go on home when their time was up?
I'm not saying I like every war USA goes into , but I also knew when I joined what to expect, I have respect for you as a fellow soldier, and would do anything for your safety as I'm sure you would mine.
But when I joined I knew I might be sent to places or wars I might not like or agree with, and again with all due respect, you should have too.
Please don't take this as "we should agree with everything our president does", I'm just saying, we're in the military man, and for reasons I said, this shit happens, and I sympathize with you for wanting to go home if you do not want to stay in, just wish you had realized that could happen before you joined.
You seem like a cool dude and hope you get your wish to separate soon.
by USMC on Sat Oct 02, 04 3:15pm
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Draft= political suicide. Not even Mister Bush is that dumb.
This is what is great about the all volunteer service, supposedly , the people who join understand that, apparently you did not..By USMC
Apparently I did not you say? Are you trying to say that every last person who joins the Armed Forces joins strictly to fight? That's obsurd. As a Marine, you may not like hearing this, but 85 percent of the military joined for the college money, the VA loans, and a stepping stone for their resume and you KNOW it.
With most wars this happens, do you think ww2 they told people go on home when their time was up? By USMC
Okay, you're getting off course here. Please quote me where I starting bitching about having to stay in the military longer than expected? I was simply using my time in service to make a point in a different discussion. For all you know, I may have already reenlisted to stay in the service longer.
The possibility
of war, the possibility
of staying beyond separation date if we do have war is always there. By USMC
With all due respect, no shit. I've been in the service for 5 years.
But when I joined I knew I might be sent to places or wars I might not like or agree with, and again with all due respect, you should have too. By USMC
How enlightening. Again, no shit.
I sympathize with you for wanting to go home if you do not want to stay in, just wish you had realized that could happen before you joined. By USMC
Okay, again, please show me where I said I specifically wanted to go home? I rather be downrange, for the third time, getting paid the big bucks.
You seem like a cool dude and hope you get your wish to separate soon. By USMC
You seem alright as well but try not jumping to conclusions and please don't put words in my mouth. I like the military.
Dingleberry , did you bother to read what I wrote, If that happens, that is their problem, when you go in the military you should be aware that you might go to war, especially in american military, that was my point, and if you join thinking you can get money for college be stationed in cushy european station and be separated in four years you are being foolish. Don't join if you are not willing to fight or be in war zone. You go on all you want, but that is the reason we have military, and you should not join if you do not expect that might happen.
A draft would let the soldiers who have been in years over their term out finally. For example, my date to get out of the military was September 11th 2004 and whauddya know, I'm still here. Starting a draft would get the strain off the soldiers who have been stoplossed years over their initial enlistment. These people would like to go home.
by USMC on Sat Oct 02, 04 6:11pm
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goodbye man, I'm through talking to you
by USMC on Sat Oct 02, 04 6:12pm
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For example, my date to get out of the military was September 11th 2004 and whauddya know, I'm still here. by Dingleberry on Oct 01, 2004
by USMC on Sat Oct 02, 04 6:25pm
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you certainly implied it.
by USMC on Sat Oct 02, 04 6:45pm
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Did you bother to read to the first 2 words of the sentence you quoted me on? "For example"
God damn man. Are you going to cry now?
lol, sorry
by USMC on Sat Oct 02, 04 9:32pm
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Sometimes drafts are necessary. I am against it but I'm sure if the government made some positive propoganda to make new recruits it'd lift the morale of the draftees. Usually the democrats are against drafts but why should that matter to herzog since I'm not a republican or conservative.
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Senate Bill S.89 "military draft bill" was introduced by Sen. Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC). A companion bill in the house was sponsored by Democrats Charlie Rangel (D -NY), Jim McDermott (D-WA), John Lewis (D-GA), Pete Stark (D-CA), and Neil Abercrombie (D -HI). Go DEMS go!
If you want to reinstitute the draft vote Democratic.
Okay morons. Here goes.
PNAC explicitly states that the US should seek regime change of unfriendly states in the Middle East. There are more wars on the way. Understand? There are more "unfriendly" regimes to topple. In order for this to happen there will have to be a draft. In order for the draft to go through there will have to be some sort of disaster or terrorist attack that will galvanise public opinion against a foreign enemy.
44th President Kerry will use the draft as one big blood sacrifice.
If we go into another war, I think there will be a draft. We can't make do with the current military force in Iraq, and somewhere else. When I was I was getting out in 1999 our Police were working 12 hr shift for months and they weren't even in a combat zone, they just didnt have the manning because so many people are deployed around the world.
no i don't believe he will but whoever wins in 2008 will reenstate the draft especially if it's the guy who was in a POW camp for 7 years!
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