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Kerry is hitting all the hot points,Every time Bush opens his mouth he give more ammo to his self destruction. on the other hand,Kerry has yet to say what his "homeland Security" deal is...
Eh, they both look shifty to me... :)
Kerry isn't specific enough when he says "I can do better" or "I have a plan". So far as I see it his plan is to keep the troops in Iraq and get more allies. How exactly will he get more allies is he does not beleive he should be in the war in the first place? (As bush said).
In the rebutle of Bush's first questions Kerry did a good job. Kerry has a lot of things to accuse Bush of, and he seems to be doing a good job with the content of his argument. Bush always just responds back stating his opinion again, which is different than Kerry's.
George W. will keep us safer I think, like Qui_qui said, Kerry hasn't said anything about homeland security.
BRB, I gotta keep watching it, I'll be back later...
Bush is a much more likeable person and seems like a real kind human being. While Kerry just acts fake. You can tell Kerry got some inside tips with how to act and what to say. "I have a plan", "My plan is". And he keeps pulling that fake smile which bothers me. And I like Bush's stories.
I still say Kerry won because he said a lot more in terms of content and made a lot more points. Where Bush stands there constantly trying to defend himself.
Bush looks confused... he sure stutters a lot, and seem to be sweating profusely.
by LCD on Thu Sep 30, 04 10:20pm
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Kerry's hands were shaking like he needed a cigarette. Not really an important point, more of an observation.
They both just seem to be spinning in their own circles to me. Each one goes back to the same thing. It's a bit watered down.
He should sweat; he didn't win the presidency in the first place. If it were up to Fox News Network, Bush has already won the election, we just have to wait and find out. I can't wait to see Bush deny his loss and try to stay in power like the tyrant he is. He needs to do a better job catering to "the people," not his power base.
I saw that. I thought I hadn't seen it correctly. I was thinking how glad I was that I wasn't one of them up there with so many eyes on me.
Question: How will Kerry build a "true" coalition when his best bud Jacques Chirac says he will not change France's policy on Iraq no matter who is president?
I'm biased as are most, which makes it impossible to call. I say Bush won, LCD will say Kerry won. I suppose we'll find out in November.
Our president Bush did Exelent. I hope that screwball Keery don't get elected so we have a better nation.
Our president Bush did Exelent. I hope that screwball Keery don't get elected so we have a better nation
Bush showed him self as an incompetent, belligerent, and deulusional man. Kerry won hands down. Now only the stupid will vote for Bush.
Just goes to show that blind faith, will blind. Every independant commentator, said Kerry won it by a landslide, but the Bushites will claim victory anyway.
Kerry won, but not by a landslide. There was at least one oint in the middle where in my opinion Bush was leading. But Kerry came back again at the end, as he did in the beggining.
I can't wait for the transcript of this at MSNBC.com ,,...
I can see why Bush didn't want the cut away shots.
I felt the opposite of Dani_dysfunk about a more personable character.However Kerry really needs to clarify his agenda before I consider giving him a vote...
I anti Patriot Act as far as Homeland Security is concerned.What will Kerry do about that?
Once again Kerry proved but one thing: He has no platform but is running an election simply by being 'anti-bush'.
Those of you who cheer on such ludicrious behavior by a candidate are really the brainwashed ones because you haven't the slightest clue what the man even stands for, and tonite's debate just proved that again.
The debate was designed for Kerry to win. He gets to sit there and criticize Bush, as previous president, while Bush has to sit there defending himself. Kerry definitely had the upper-hand on the debate, and both brought up some interesting discussions.
jappy and his pro-bush cohorts really take the biscuit when they accuse others of 'brainwashing'... Bush stumbled through his time of office, stumbled through the (stage managed) debate, and they still hang on his every word.
Incredible lol.
I think Kerry whooped Bush's ass. The questions and the placement of them helped Kerry, but Bush seemed nervous and lost, and Kerry seemed confident. That was a great line about Pearl Harbour and Mexico! ;)
WHOOPED
omg..
:D
by x__ on Fri Oct 01, 04 12:20am
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First I have to assess whether or not I have the capability of being objective with this sort of thing, as opposed to saying "my boy" no matter what. I think I can.
Bush's own campaign admits that he does not exactly have a way with words. We saw that tonight. So Kerry clearly was the man with the better language skills. But perhaps more important than that was that he was an absolute straight-shooter with all the questions that I can remember; and didn't waste a second in his responses. I can recall at least two or three questions which Bush simply dodged, or deflected. Both of the men made good points, though I think Kerry was more comprehensive and succinct.
I honestly believe that Kerry came out on top of this debate, and I've tried as hard as I can to filter out my political affilitation in reaching that conclusion.
I'd also like to address the allegations that Kerry has not made his positions clear in relation to security, diplomacy, and war - which were the topics of this evening's debates. Kerry made an interesting point. He reminded us of what we already know about Bush's position, which is essentially: "Stay the course." Bush has the advantage there, in terms of not having to clarify anything. Anyone not living under a rock understands Bush's position already. He (Kerry) mentioned the four point plan that he has for Iraq. He didn't go into specifics, because he knew he didn't have enough time to properly explain it all - so he suggested we go to johnkerry.com to check it out.
I just now skimmed through it, and I can tell it's going to take me a minimum of 7 to 10 minutes to read and fully digest it. Complicated problems tend to require complicated solutions, and it would have been impossible to enunciate everything in 2 minute, 90 second, or 30 second increments.
- J.
Holy shit -- Kerry DESTROYED Bush! He destroyed Dubya! It was a thing of beauty! Hell, Bush even looked dumb when Kerry was the one speaking! Kerry whooped fuckin' ASS!
Well, it looks like you beat me to it Counciltucky!!!
It was close, but I believe Bush won. His position was well defined and resolute, he blew holes in Kerry's idea of building new alliances to solve many of our problems, and at one point Kerry admitted to making a mistake. I think the the overall feeling I got from the debates is that while I understand that alliances are necessary globally, it seems that Kerry would be too accomodating and would put other countries needs before our own for the sake of approval. Bush has already made it clear he won't do that and after tonight I have a new appreciation for his conviction.
I think its amazing how American politics has come to this point. Where the election of the most powerful man in the world has boiled down to something so cosmetic, petty and shallow. I'm sure I speak for many Brits when I say I find your political and more importantly your election process laughably rediculous.
It is not theatre or a stageshow. It the your Presidential elections.
*It's your presidential elections.
Good point wolf nipple chips. Our parliament may be full of Satan worshipping freemasons and just as corrupt as all the other so-called democratic nations, but at least our bunch of ugly fucks can mix it on tv and on the floor of the house. And Labour's postal election fiddling was nowhere near as bad as the outright fraud of the American selection.
Herman Munster vs. The Chimp
I say Bush won. Kerry was the better debater but the battle was for Kerry to separate himself from Bush. He wasn't able to show how he would be different or better than Bush. He also couldn't successfully explain his flip-flops.
They're both spinning like tops. I could've destroyed those guys.
steelhamster
Those "independent" commentators were probably liberals like most of the other fools in the media.
I KNOW you didn't
call Jim Lehrer a fool..
sorry :) I'm still excited from last night.. when Bush was OWNED
by x__ on Fri Oct 01, 04 8:06am
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"Bush stumbled through his time of office"
Typical ignorant thought. Bush is not a keynote speaker, but this by no means makes him unintelligent.
What exactly is it that you expect Kerry to do differently in Iraq? When Kerry talks about the 'failure' of this war, which is anything BUT a failure (once again, as I always point out, see post WWII Germany from September of 1945 to mid 1953 for evidence of what happens when a foreign force must occupy a country following a war to help stabilize a new government), Kerry not only degrades Bush, he degrades every member of the United States military who are working hard to try and establish a new representative government in Iraq.
What is amusing to me is that Bush has stated his exact stance on just about every important issue while Kerry continues to stalwart and double talk.
For instance, Bush has come out supporting civil unions for gays but against marriage, stating that the definition of marriage is based as man and woman. I have yet to hear Kerry state, either, I DO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGES, or I DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGES. This is just one of the many topics we as Americans do not know about when it comes to John Kerry's platform, because he continues to do this radical 'anti bush' campaign.
Bush looked like the incompetent twerp that he is. I wasn't going to watch this debate, but it was so cool to see him rattled that it was "must-see TV". I thought I would be sweating it out, but I felt comfortable from the get-go about Kerry's performance (yes, I use that word because the whole thing is staged). Gore never hit his stride in the 2000 debates and Bush was able to sail through on his folksy simple-mindedness. That's why I was worried last night.
I was happily surprised :-D
by mojo on Fri Oct 01, 04 9:17am
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Personally, I thought one looked defensive as if to say, "I'm the president, I should not have to answer these questions" and the other looked plastic like he's dead and don't know it. I got no warm fuzzy whatsoever from either of them. I think they both were lying their butts off and working hard to turn the topics away from their own particular shortcomings. Basically, we're screwed either way. (of couse, just my opinion)
I think Kerry was the better of the two
by ABC on Fri Oct 01, 04 12:06pm
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Kerry 1 Bush 0
Kerry millions
Bush millions
America 0
Tadema, I am as bummed out as you that many if not most people feel that we will be voting for "the lesser of two evils". But I'm going to be very adamant about something. Anyone who says that they are incapable of making up their mind because both the candidates are so bad either shouldn't vote, or is simply ignorant of the facts - either by default, or by choice; that is to say, that have not taken 20 minutes to research the candidate's stance on the issues.
You, I, and the monkey know damn well that any rational person is capable of running down the list of issues, comparing the candidates, and seeing which one they prefer. I heard a staggering statistic the other day. Something like 50-60% of people vote based on personality. This isn't the Miss America Pageant. I'm not saying that personality doesn't matter, but it saddens me to think that many people will vote for Bush simply because he comes across as a "stronger or more commanding" personality. He's The Cowboy. That's nice. Let's at least run down the facts first, for the love of Christ.
Hands down Kerry... I can respect an individual for their political beliefs, but to say Bush even came close to winning, based on debate etiquette and points, is outrageous, ludicrous and desperately brinking on absolute ignorance!
by MO_ on Fri Oct 01, 04 1:31pm
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After "viewing results" to see Bush with even 30% of the B&W vote... is appalling and disheartening... this ballot was based on who won a debate, not your candidate of choice for the presidency... reality is obviously alluding 3 out of 10 here! Fox News makes more sense!
by MO_ on Fri Oct 01, 04 1:48pm
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I'm undecided, but lets keep it real. All you Kerry haters know that Kerry looked more "presidential" than Bushed did last night and knipped that flip flop shit in the bud. On the other hand Bush stood firm on his "convictions". My only thing with that is you may have strong beliefs in how this is the way it should go, but could you be wrong. Thats my knock against Bush. I think Kerry has been putting me to sleep until last night when finally stepped up and had something say. I don't he's a flip flopper at all. If he is one then shit, Bush is one to where do you want me to begin. I'm still undecided though and I may not vote.
John Kerry because...NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION!(if thats how you spell it)
Bush's speeking has seemed to have gotten dumber and dumber throughout the years.
And trooper, did you watch the DNC? Kerry did just as well there, but people have seemd to forgotten that.
Kerry always seems to come out really good and surprise us at these big important things like the DNC and the debates.
After last night, I wouldn't let Mister Bush run my lawn mower. At times, he looked like a deer in the headlights. And when he started stuttering, I was at my TV screen, trying to drag out the words in sympathy. Maybe THAT's his new strategy, to win by making us all feel sorry for him. Sorry Mister Bush. Move along home to Kennebunkport, or Crawford, or whereEVER the hell you'll be going when you're voted out.
They are both Zionist puppets anyway.
Having said that if you vote for Bush you sighn the death certificate of our democracy...at least with Kerry there is that small chance that he just might become a half decent president.
I can`t stand Bush but I think he won the debate..not with content...but with his energy...which Kerry lacked.
Kerry looks as if he is on medication and has no life force left in him...Kerry is not likeable...but even hating Bush we have to admit he is more likeable than Kerry.
I will vote Kerry ...holding my nose of course whilst doing it.
Not being an American I haven't got a clue. Listen to Dani, she seems to have it covered.
Do you *truly* believe it matters who wins the election?
Kerry won, because Bush didn't make any sense. But then Bush never makes any sense. I don't see why the Republicans picked a celebrity spokesmodel, I mean president, who can't speak English. If they wanted nepotism, they should have gone for one of Ronald Reagan's offspring. While I seldom agreed with Ronnie, I always knew what he was talking about.
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