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George W. Bush is the most recent evidence of this argument.
That problem isn't just associated with America. Look at ex-Commie Peter Mandelson. He is a corrupt liar who is friends with warmonger Tony Bliar and is now an unelected EU commissioner, endeavouring to give away the power that belongs with the people of Britain.
It's a global problem brought about by the global elite. This is the group that you, EUROTOPIA, are supporting with your criticisms of America. The EU will try to use the piss poor showing of America to unite Europe under a single constitution and a single currency. Undeniable steps on the road to a World Government.
Name one great leader, or potential leader, of any nation who wasn't destroyed from the outside in or the inside out? It's difficult to, knowing that most leaders are installed by those who retain a certain covert power, internal or external. Strings are pulled and history is made.
The most competent, most decent, most trustworthy politicians are killed or never get a sniff at real power. There are so many heroes ignored by the media.
Chavez in Venezuela was attacked by a US funded and organised coup, a general strike and a private media blitz that branded him a pervert and a madman. He is still the democratically elected leader of Venezuela and he still fights to keep Venezuela's oil wealth inside the country to fund his poor reforms.
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Exit polls after the recent referendum in Venezuela showed that ~60% voted against Chavez but the government released figures showing that ~60% voted for him. Many people think the vote was rigged. I work for a Venezuelan, and a couple of Venezuelans work in my lab, they all hate Chavez.
Most national leaders are just smart enough to get elected, but dumb enough to be manipulated by those who really control the government. Most of the ones who are really smart support the puppetmasters anyway, otherwise they wouldn't have been allowed to run. Bush and Kerry are both just smart enough, Clinton supported his masters, Reagan was just smart enough, etc.
I should've written that Reagan was popular enough to get elected and dumb enough to be easily manipulated.
I've spoken to many Venezuelans and hatred of Chavez is not unanimous. Let's just agree that it is divided. I would not be surprised, however, if those people who thought the vote was rigged were members of the foreign own television stations that spread lies about Chavez' mental health. I have seen television pictures of Chavez, Colin Powell, Bush and Rumsfeld that virtually prove beyond all doubt that Powell, Bush and Rumsfeld are all liars. Venezuela is simply trying to escape from US hegemony. It is smeared and attacked for that reason alone.
I only really brought Chavez up because he, being an ex-military man, overthrew the US puppets and resurrected the old Venezuelan constitution, a highly regarded, almost sacred document for the Venezuelans. And when the US decided to overthrow him with a coup after Chavez was elected, it was the Presidential Palace Guard and millions of public protesters that freed him, making the coup leaders flee back to Florida.
Dodgy exit poll results? You've got nothing.
Exit polls can be off but if they're off by that much then something is seriously wrong. It could be something as benign as an unrepresentative sample or something as malicious as fraud. Chavez is on the road to communism.
I suspect that the most talented people in every country tend to avoid politics. Politics is a degrading profession. You have to tell people what they want to hear, and you have to suffer fools gladly.
Chavez is on the road to rejecting the dictates of the NWO and its designs. If that is such a crime, let history judge him, but from where I stand he looks like a stalwart hero. The rumors of impending Communism abound simply because he is for the poor within his own country. Amazing how sticky the tar is when it drops from the media's printing presses.
dinkytown: I respect what you wrote and I somewhat agree with you. But what's wrong with telling people how it really IS and not just what they want to hear from you, anyone, as a politician??
thc2883. I appreciate that it could possibly be vote fraud, but I reckon that most of Chavez's problems can be traced back to America and it's SUVs. Plus all the guys who attack Chavez are barefaced liars like Condy Rice (who has an oil tanker named after her) Colin Powell and all the rest that we know and love so well.
During the coup, which was filmed by a BBC journalist, when the coup leaders lead Chavez away in cuffs, about 100 of Chavez's government colleagues sang a song together. Their faces betrayed genuine anguish. And it appears the public felt the same about him because about a million thronged the presidential palace an the coup was defeated. This man is beyond simple classifications like he might be going a bit Commie. I really think he is looking after the place he calls home rather than letting America wade in and suck it dry.
I think he's just another pawn for the NWO. He's also driving away the most talented people in the country. If he really is independent from those bastards, then more power to him.
Ahh Eurotopia, trying to test something here?
Tocqueville wrote "Democracy in America" to educate the rotten French public who kept cutting people's heads off. If you read the book you would know that.
Also how can you quote a book first published in 1835 as an indication of what the political system is now.
By that reasoning the French are still cutting off heads. Which is, in my opinion, metaphorically true.
Zig, I don't think there is anything wrong with telling the truth. I do think that telling the truth is not an effective political strategy, unless you're a very simple person. If you say anything complex or nuanced, the other side will grab it, distort it, and destroy you. You need a lowest common denominator, slogan-based strategy, and you need to repeat the same boring formula over and over until your brain goes to sleep. For example, we have a real problem with medicare and social security based on our aging population. No politician wants to admit that we have a real problem. They want to say that if we adopt their pet panacea, everything will be dandy.
dinkytown, you're right, and I didn't mean it to seem like I was pouncing on you. Your first statement implied that you thought perhaps disingenuousness on the part of politicians or the media was somehow acceptable, so immune are most of us to the constant drone and 'panacea' as you put it. As is the case. And you were simply being realistic, because that is the reality of politics and soundbyte based-journalism. The promises continue and the problems remain unaddressed.
On some occasions (like currently), it's true, the most competent men aren't our leaders. In other instances, we have very competent people leading the country. Bill Clinton is a prime example of the latter.
If he really is independent from those bastards, then more power to him.
by thc2883 on Nov 04, 2004
Definitely. I found out as much as I could about him and didn't think he was NWO, but of course I may be wrong. Once I had seen and heard him talk I just had to think he was the real thing. There is a quality about him that is altogether different from your standard dead-eyed, straight faced NWO liar. Please let me know if you find out anything which would help me decide either way. Ta.
I know he's friends with Castro but that's about it. I know a petroleum engineer, an electrical engineer and a chemist who left Venezuela because of him. My boss is Venezuelan but he left before Chavez.
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