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Are all horses the same? There is only one kind of horse? I don't see why oil has to be brought into this but what the hell it got my attention.
1. How about no more hate crimes legislation.
2. How about no more demands for affirmative action and quotas as at University of Oregon>
3. How about current non-whites trying to make current whites pay for the sins of their fathers of the distant past as for slavery or colonization.
4. How about serious efforts to really end the inequality in the world. For instance their is active slavery in Brazil. The people making charcoal for the steel industry are mostly slave labor. Not some mystical slave labor but the real kind practiced for centuries. According the Kevin Bales book "Disposable People" there are 27 million slaves today. In places around the globe including sex slavery.
5. Further, how about when women are given thier inalienable real rights, including those of not having to choose between prostitution and not eating.
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I'd like to be able to say, "Hopefully one day", but I've seen humanity at work of late, and the chances are slim and none. (Spoken by Murphy's cousin, also an optimist)
I thought maybe my generation could be the one to do that, but I've seen comments on here and comments by people I know that show, it's not going to happen,parents have the biggest influrence and if they are racist, chances are their kid will be too.
Inter... item 1. Maybe when it is no longer needed. 2. When discrimination isn't pervasive. 3. How about when whites acknowledge the wrongs that have been done?
Items 4 and 5 - Good points
There will always be differences among humans and thus, always discrimination. If it isn't racism, it's something else...
Fiddle. There will always be people who say that hate crimes legislation is needed. So just on that one point races won't ever come together. Especially when you consider that in the vast majority of prosecutions it is only fair-skinned people that are charged. Now I don't have some pie-in-the-sky idea that there aren't any white & violent racist and that they should absolutely be prosecuted until they are bleeding out of every orofice.
However are you going to tell me that there are no hate crimes committed by other than non-whites? Look I pay attention to this issue and I just don't see the automatic assumption that a hate crime has been committed when a black on white crime is committed like I do when there is a white on black crime. In the SF Bay Area in the past 10 years there have been 3 cases of what I would consider racially motivated hate crimes perpetuated by blacks against whites. Noone suggested that they were hate crimes.
As long as "artificial barriers" such as hate crimes legislation there will never be the consideration that we are all one race. You can't single out one group and then say "why can't we all just get along."
Again I would make the same argument for your rebuttal to my second point and as "why can't we be judged on the content of our characters as opposed to the color of our skins". Some famous black guy said that I think.
HOW MANY TIMES WOULD THE WHITE RACE HAVE TO "ACKNOWLEDGE" THE SINS OF THEIR FATHERS FOR NON-WHITES TO BE SATISFIED?.
Fiddle,
I have never been involved in anything that even approaches anything that could be called sins against my fellow man yet you think that I should "aknowledge" those things?
I am not sorry for what I have not done. That is understandable isn't it. Should a man wrongly convicted in an attempt to overturn his conviction first be made to "acknowledge" that "someone did the crime". That doesn't make sense.
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inter, you are just ignorant. Maybe if you spent your life growing up on a reservation of crappy land your ancestors were forced onto by white people as they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of my people while stealing our land, you would look at it differently. Instead, you preach about discrimination when you have never actually experienced it, I have. People like you make me sick when you say the things that you do. Come and spend some time on the reservation I grew up on and see what it is really like. And, I and many of my people have experienced a crime committed on the basis of who we are, and hate crimes are committed against us far more than the poor pitiful sufferings of the white people. It HAS been useful in reducing crime against many minorities and at the very least keeping the people who committed them in prison longer. Quit talking about things you know nothing about. You have this lalala sheltered version of the world and no real experience. Maybe one day there will be no need, but that time is not now. Be gone DEMONS OF STUPIDITY. You made much more sense when you didn't feel the need to take such extremist viewpoints in your ballots, choice and comments.
Fiddle I am truly sorry that you feel that way. You cannot possibly know what I am or who I am.
I am now an extremist because I don't agree with you?
Wow Wow Wow. And you are talking about the DEMONS OF STUPIDITY? Really.
You didn't address what I said. I was balanced in my response. I know that there are violent, awful, fearul, and wasted life that call themselves white supremacists.
But you are over the top and emotional in your response to me.
I will tell you that I never have had anything to do with the horrible things that have been done to Indians. Now if your premise is a Thoreau-like idealism that by paying taxes we are all guilty then I guess yes you are right.
I didn't have anything to do with your situation and I feel absolutely no reason to apologize to you about it.
PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE VICTIM MENTALITY. I am not responsible for the "crimes" committed against you. Nor would I discriminate against you.
You took an esoteric argument and accuse ME OF IGNORANCE. You are the height of stupidity and ignorance to do that.
I have never personally insulted you yet you in your victimized state think you can attack me personally.
Aren't you prejudging me and therefore committing a hate crime.
I think so and I am going to call the FBI and tell on you. haha
hey Fiddle
I am sorry that some Indian kid killed a bunch of people on the rez recently. I now know that by virtue of my race I am quilty of that act of murder????? What a f-ing rube man.
Besides why do you assume that I am either white or sheltered.
I mean are suffering from some sort of mental illness?
How can you dare to presume anything?
I am not white. And even if I was I am smart enough to know that the "white" race isn't some monolithic group that marches lockstep with one another.
And unless I experience your particular brand of injustice it is not valid?
Your rant is so stupid on so many levels. Please go back to the drawing board and rethink what you are trying to accomplish.
My view of this site and this ballot is that it gives the opportunity for people of diverse backgrounds and interests to come together and come to some sort of mutual understanding about things.
Do you think that you have made me anymore sympathetic to your crazy point of view by insulting me and accusing me and my "white race" of genocide?
Fiddle I have seen you make appeals for calmness and open discussions in the private ballot section and then you come over here and try to pull of this bullshit?
yeah so much for elevating the debate huh stupid?
I did not say this: "killed a bunch of people on the reservation recently:. Prejudging is not a hate crime unless it leads to a criminal act (it is not a good thing to do as I have just learned). Once you become aware of a situation, then you have some responsibility in resolving it (in my view). Some white people at THAT time were responsible for genocide. Institutionalized discrimination and constant challenging of Native American rights guarenteed under treaties is a current issue, though. I hope you will take the time to learn more about it. Also, I would encourage you to study more in general about the Native American experience. And I will apologize for using terms like ignorant and demons of stupidity and try to overlook your use of the word stupid. Sorry dude, you just hit a very raw nerve with me. And please don't use the term "victimized mentality", it isn't true and is an insult.
Fair enough man. I am not completely ignorant of the issue. My cousin worked for the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Arizona and told me of some of the intolerable conditions. I had no way of knowing what your situation is, nor would I want to belittle whatever pain anyone has gone through.
This is the point I am trying to make regarding victim mentality: identifying or spotlighting legitimate problem areas or grievances is very different from having a victim mentality.
Fiddle TRUCE?
Fiddle I like your ballots and comments. We certainly have different political views and I hope that you won't ask me to modify my views anymore than I would ask you to. I think, from what I have read that you are one of the more levelheaded and honest people on this site. That is why I was so shocked by that attack. If we sat down for a coke we would probably agree on more things than either of us could imagine.
I absolutely agree with you on that. You are not someone who I sense has a victim mentality. I know that that was an insult and that is why I said it. Thanks inter.
The only race we have on this planet is the race toward oblivion,And it seems we humans are trying real hard to win it.
What inter_regnum said.
We have many races on Earth, from the smallest mice/ insects to elephants and Blue wahales. And within thses species we have different breeds, like there are humpback whales, blue whales etc etc, and they are all different in different ways. These differences are significant and have helped them to adapt to their various climates.
Now, different breeds of human ( caucasian, black, indian etc ) are also all different, as you can see from the colour of their skin to begin with, not to mention numerous physiological and genetic differences.
Its really very simple, we are NOT all the same, so stop kidding yourself. This isnt a disney cartoon so start aknowledging these differences and learn to live with them why dont you? THEN racism will stop. Its pathetic the way liberals try to lump us all into one big homogenous family who should all get on as such. Its just not real life.
Open your eyes and aknowledge what you see.
As long as AA is around discrimination wil remain pervasive.
I'd like to have hope.
Maybe when we all feel safe enough inside?
It's all too complex, and by the looks of it,
we can't even get agreement on this site.
...so maybe never.
I'd like to have hope.
Maybe when we all feel safe enough inside?
It's all too complex, and by the looks of it,
we can't even get agreement on this site.
...so maybe never.
This ballot is restricted in choices because deep down UncleRandy knows he is wrong. He obviously has no background in biology or genetics.
the fact we are one is obvious, it's just that some choose to ignore it for whatever reason. those that deliberately divide the human race will get their just desserts in the end.
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To the ballot question. There is more than one race in the human race. The solution is equality, but that would be a miracle to get everyone to think the same way. One thing the human race has in common is evil, which is not limited to any race.
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