COMMENTS:
Is a good enough point, Applerod?
BABY KILLER!! BABY KILLER!! BABY KILLER!!!
It's not a question of being "good enough", it's just a question of being "clear enough", which of course is entirely at your discretion. What is the correlation between these statistics and your opinion on abortion?
False, the word 'babies' gives the impression of sentience, up till 28 weeks there is no medical evidence that this is present.
This is not really a quiz, but an attempt to subvert people into your view of the subject.
My opinion is this: I loathe abortion, but it is **sometimes** necessary. I dont think it shoud be 100% illegal but, 1.6 million a year is crazy. 45 MILLION since '73 is INSANE. Thats the equivalent of roughly 1 out of every 6 people you know murdered. Abortion is NOT birth control.
i can't speak for johhnyreb, but the correlation for me is clear: more babies are being killed. certain users can use their sick and twisted rationale to say that they are "not cognitive beings" or some such shit, but the fact is, they are killing babies. not a fetus. but a living creature that grows and needs nurisment and all the elements that encourage life. these same sick minded people will protest against war for all the "lives" lost, but yet are strangely silent when it comes to defending the most fragile of life -- a baby. how can that be justified? it cannot in my opinion.
add to that the fact that a huge percentage of these people used abortion as a method of birth control. how can that be justified. i believe a report came out in the uk recently that said that not only were the number of abortions on the rise, but the ratio of women that had at least 3 - 4 increased in double digits. come on. how can anyone defend that in major developed countries? even if you could justify it in the third world, maybe on an extreme leve it could be argued that in the third world, they have no choice. in the developed world, given that you can get a codom anywhere, given that in many countries there is the morning after pill and given that a 15 year old girl can get a prescription for the pill, using abortion as a means of birth control is sick.
there's also abstaining. thoroughly modern women and men certainly know about that option...at least until one of them can make sure they are using contraceptives.
wait! unless most of these abortions were due to rape. surely that must be it.
i doubt it.
False, the word 'babies' gives the impression of sentience, up till 28 weeks there is no medical evidence that this is present.
This is not really a quiz, but an attempt to subvert people into your view of the subject.
by Steelhamster on Jul 07, 2005
oh not you again. yeah, yeah we know. its all a plot and you are so wise and worldly that you see through it, but we don't. sure.
but you did bring up a point. you said something about the baby not being a cognitive being. guess that means a being that cannot think for themselves or function, right?
tell me right now, your view on the terri schiavo case.
and, you tell me that when you get old and infirm and can no longer shit and piss for yourself and can no longer think clearly or feed yourself, that we can give you a lethal injection. sound fair?
after all, that is your logic, isn't it?
Steel's "cognitive being" theory means its okay to kill newborns and senile old people.
yes it does. using steelhamster's logic, it would seem acceptable to put down old folk who could not longer form coherent thoughts, feed themselves, etc. likewise, i guess he means that it is okay to do so to mentally impaired kids too. so steel, you advocate killing a baby at full term if it were discovered he or she was going to be a vegtable? and also, the taking of old people off to some old folks killing factory. odd, i seem to recall reading a certain germanic leader thinking the same way. odd even more, i think you've labeled herzog to be like that same germanic leader i'm thinking of. hmmm, very interesting.
i gotta hit the hay. i've read through the hamsters comments and lets just say that in my opinion, he has an over-inflated sense of his own wisdom. the words bitter, doubting thomas come to mind. no offense hamster, but dude, you and i should not engage. sorry, no hard feelings.
I am also a proponent of euthenasia, I personally do not want to be kept alive artificially if I have no mind left and have to be fed by a tube.
The same thing if I had a terminal disease, would you let someone suffer in pain just because of your moral objections to their being humanely put to sleep?
If the patient is of sound mind and requests through a living will that they do not wish to live in a vegetative state or die in pain then their wishes should be granted.
I have no bitterness at all, I do not spit venom at people who disagree with me nor do I initiate them, I will however defend my position, no matter how nasty those who would wish to force people to their views would employ.
I have no bitterness at all, I do not spit venom at people who disagree with me nor do I initiate them, I will however defend my position, no matter how nasty those who would wish to force people to their views would employ.
by Steelhamster on Jul 08, 2005
dude, last time you and i ever engage. get this straigh. hypocricy. not a good quality. you really, really need to think on your words better. so you know, YOU telling us when life begins and YOU telling us how to think is the same thing you just accused US of doing. must be nice to be so pious. lonely though, i imagine. thats it.
I did not start this ballot, I merely expressed my opinion. I cannot be responsible for your impressions of me.
As for hypocrisy if I do it, it is unwittingly.
^ And that's what constitutes the difference between people talking with each other, and people talking at each other.
False, they're not really babies yet.
probably true
It's a shame. So much killing.
Are you're willing to fund these future welfare recipients?
Obviously false.
Mobsie don't doubt it look it up if you don't believe it and johnny i think ur awesome :)
OK, my personal belief is that if it has a heart beat, it is a living organism. To inflict an act upon another life, by stopping that heart from beating is in my opinion murder Euthenasia, if legalised, would only be carried out in the presence of a living will, a baby does not have this luxury, its fate is decided by the selfish parents who could not be bothered to consider the concequences of their actions BEFOREHAND. I read somewhere, im sorry I cant remember which site, but it said that 23% of abortions are carried out on medical grounds or due to rape, the other 77% were simply unwanted pregnancies, this second figure, in my opinion is totally unacceptable.
True which shows how wrong abortion is.
by seon on Sat Jul 09, 05 4:52am
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First off i would just like to say i am probably not as old as you people so if i should a little bit immature don't criticize me lol .. Second I don't believe that at the time these babies are killed they are not a human life .. You have two forms a soul and a body and even though the body is not developed yet at the time the abortion is commited the soul is there since the moment of conception .. Please don't yell at me for my opinion and I'm not degrading anyone who has had an abortion but i could never personally kill my child and live with it .. at least i could give my child a chance at life and give it up for adoption ..
Do the same people that disagree with abortion find it wrong to kill a plant?
There is no way I could ever get an abortion, but I don't look down on women who do have them either.
I am glad I had my son, even though I was young and all that stuff.. it was ment to happen, I can't have anymore kids now so I enjoy the one I have!
no, but most anti abortion people are FOR the war in Iraq.. pure hypocrisy, and kev24, you are a wise one!! I don't beleive it should be used for birth control either, but in circumstances like rape, I beleive it is necessary, also.. birth control sometimes fails, condoms break.. this is America,Century 21, no woman should be FORCED to give birth!!
This is total bullshit. No babies are killed. Fetuses, embryos are aborted. HUGE difference!
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