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result #94225 - BOULDER CO, SETS UP "HATE HOTLINE" TO LET NEIGHBORS REPORT EACH OTHER FOR MAKING INSENSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT "RACE, PERSONAL BELIEFS AND VALUES"

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BOULDER CO, SETS UP "HATE HOTLINE" TO LET NEIGHBORS REPORT EACH OTHER FOR MAKING INSENSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT "RACE, PERSONAL BELIEFS AND VALUES"


[+] ballot by herzog
created Mon May 15, 06
From the DenverPost:

There's a famous joke that goes like this:

What's the difference between a Rottweiler and a Jewish mother? Eventually, the Rottweiler lets go.

Now, some Jews may find that joke offensive. I don't. But if you're insulted, and you live in Boulder, you're in luck. Soon enough, you may be able to report me to the authorities.

Tuesday, the Boulder City Council will take up the matter of allocating public funding for a "hate hotline," which would give residents an opportunity to report incidents in which Boulderites use tactless language.

"Our concern - and there are many - is that there is no confidentiality, no legal confidentiality," explains Judd Golden, chairman of the Boulder American Civil Liberties Union, which has not yet taken an official position on the hate-line. "So it's potentially chilling if people think they are providing this information in confidence and then that information were provided to the government or the government sought access to it. That would chill free speech."

Golden says the agenda item on the hotline is "extensive" and a "real dilemma" for the ACLU. There are some very "broad standards" laid out in the resolution.

There is, for instance, the policy statement condemning the usual individual or collective acts of racism and bigotry. Great. But it also condemns those who attack "personal beliefs and values."

"Well, for the ACLU, that goes over the line," Golden says. "You can object to free speech just because someone is a Republican or a Democrat."

What would happen to the bumper- sticker industry?

So, it seems that since purifying our thoughts is still beyond technology's reach, Boulder will now attempt to achieve politically correct speech codes in other ways.

The council should realize, however ugly it may be, Americans still have the constitutional right to be racist, homophobic, Jew-hating or even to make bad jokes - as anyone who's heard the one about the redneck who invented the ejection seat on the helicopter can tell you.

The most serious question, however, is will the hate-line folks forward their files to the Boulder police or City Council?

"The devil's in the details," says Golden. "That's the question. There is no present indication that they intend to do anything like that in the future."


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So essentially they've set up a way to report on your neighbors for making any controversial remarks, including simply criticizing anothers political beliefs.

Do you see how this could be a possible encroachment on the first amendment?

No, I don't see it 48%
Yes I do, this is a bad idea 34%
Remind me not to live there! 17%
Yes, but they should do it anyway, people shouldn't have that much freedom 0%

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COMMENTS:
Is this serious? I find it very hard to believe, as reported here.

What would be the point? What would they do with the info? There's no ordinance against such speech.

If true, it is over-reaching.

by Cathexis on Mon May 15, 06 6:57am [+]

Wow, 6 sentences, 3 of them were questioning the validity of the ballot. I posted the source, check it out for yourself.

And in the future you can just call me a liar once in your comment, I'll get you point, you don't have to fill half your comment with such accusations.
by herzog on Mon May 15, 06 6:59am [+]

I didn't know that Boulder CO was apart of the ex-Soviet Union.What the Boulder City council has done is made speech a crime,they are clearly in violation of the Constitution and must be stopped.What's next a hotline to report people who are having sex out of marriage?
by Corrupt on Mon May 15, 06 6:59am [+]

Let me guess... It was written in Hebrew, perhaps? MAG_rofl
by _Beelzebubba on Mon May 15, 06 8:31am [+]

it will certainly keep people like herzog out of the neighborhood MAG_rofl

seriously though, I thought that's what you right wing nazicrats wanted... don't you approve of what is happending in USA?

or do you object only when it applies to you?IC_mrusa
by LCD on Mon May 15, 06 9:55am [+]

" seriously though, I thought that's what you right wing nazicrats wanted... don't you approve of what is happending in USA?"

You seem to be ignoring Libertarian right wingers entirely, as usual. We don't love the Patriot Act! Anyway, I thought this was what you left-wing red Fidelistas were pining after: complete muzzles on "hate speech," just as they have in some of the less enlightened corners of the E.U. One needn't call for violence or threaten or harass anyone, just make a statement that's defined as "insensitive" by a standard that, as a legal document, can be perpetually changed to suit the current needs of the governing Politburo.

I'd think you Berkeley-ite Khmer Rouge would be downright orgasmic over this development...
by Felix on Mon May 15, 06 10:32am [+]

It's amazing, for all the cries of fascism from the left everytime a terrorist is thrown in jail, they seem to love censorship and soviet style informant programs.
by herzog on Mon May 15, 06 11:45am [+]

What the hell are you talking about _Beelzebubba?
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon May 15, 06 1:01pm [+]

If a comment offends you, put your fingers in your ears.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon May 15, 06 1:33pm [+]

Oooooops!!!! Looks like, once again, the premise of the ballot is wrong. This isn't a hotline for reporting on your neighbor, it's a counseling hotline.

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City Councilman Andy Schult...may endorse funding for the hotline....

"It can be a useful tool if some dangers can be avoided," he said.

Schultheiss said the hate hotline shouldn't be run by the city, nor should it be used to initiate a formal charge against anyone.

"It's a way for people who've experienced the kind of behavior we're trying to address to tell someone about it and receive counseling, have someone in their corner.

"It's not like this would be a hotline to the police. That's the kind of thing that would make matters worse, not better. The only way to deal with racial issues in the city is to expose them, and this can do that," Schultheiss said. "But it's not a way to tattle on your neighbors and get them in trouble." (Rocky Mtn. News)

MAG_afro
by cranky on Mon May 15, 06 1:51pm [+]

But there once was a proposal for a real spy-on-your neighbor hotline. Remember John Ashcroft's Operating TIPS?

From Business Week

* * * *

The government wants your cable guy, meter reader, even your postman to voluntarily report any and all suspicious information about you to a new, central FBI database. It's called Operation TIPS, short for the Terrorism Information & Prevention System. The goal is to give millions of American truckers, letter carriers, train conductors, ship captains, and utility employees a formal way to report suspicious activity.

A pilot phase, slated to begin later this summer, would initially recruit 1 million workers in 10 cities. The Teamsters Union has already signed on. The U.S. Postal Service, which originally said its 800,000 workers would not participate, is also encouraging its workforce to join.

SOWING SUSPICION. The idea is the brainchild of Attorney General John Ashcroft. But like many of Ashcroft's salvos in the war on terrorism, Operation TIPS will more than likely reduce privacy without increasing security.

Privacy-protection advocates allege that Operation TIPS is simply a way for the FBI to get into people's homes without a warrant. Before the police or FBI can search your residence, they need probable cause and an order from a judge. But you let the cable guy into your home voluntarily. And once you do that, you relinquish certain rights of privacy. Whatever the cable guy sees is fair game.

"This is an end run around the Fourth Amendment," warns Harvey Silverglate, a Boston civil liberties lawyer. "It's a way into every American's home without judicial oversight."

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Warrantless searches? No judicial oversight? Does that sound familiar?

Luckily, no less a pinko that Texan rightwinger, Dick Armey, wrote legislation prohibiting the government from deploying Bush's Big Brother scheme.

MAG_afro
by cranky on Mon May 15, 06 2:02pm [+]

Forget about Tibet: FREE BOULDER!

More evidence that the apocalyse is upon us!
by xxxxxxxx on Mon May 15, 06 3:26pm [+]

Does anyone really want to live in the society the far left would put us in? Reporting on your neighbors, codes on what is and is not acceptable to say, etc. Sounds like a nightmare to me.
by herzog on Tue May 16, 06 7:40am [+]

^No, no. That's what Bush and John Ashcroft wanted to do with the TIPS program, and, by extension, with the NSA warrantless domestic surveillance scheme.

Our freedoms are seriously under attack by the Bush Gang: that is the number one threat. Nothing else even comes close. Persecuting leftists may make panty-waist neo-cons feel better about themselves, but it's totally disingenuous.

MAG_afro
by cranky on Thu May 18, 06 6:41am [+]

Can we make jokes about men from the Planet Ork?
Nano Nano. :)
by UncleMax on Fri Jan 12, 07 6:35pm [+]






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