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HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES A GROUP NEED TO HAVE TO CROSS FROM CULT TO RELIGION?


[+] ballot by xxxxxxxx
ACTIVE May 20,2006 - Thu Feb 12, 09
The congregation of Westboro Baptist Church is generally considered to be a religion, despite only around 100 people belonging to the church (and one can safely argue that the church's dogma definitely deviates from the Baptist religion into its own realm). That said, the congregation of Jonestown, which is widely considered to be a cult, numbered over 1,000.

Both religions and cults tend to have similar beliefs and practices -- while cults tend to be more extremist in nature, one can argue that plenty of religions can also be viewed as extremist.

This leads me to think that the difference between religions and cults is more roughly a numbers thing, though the two examples cited above show a bit of a deviation, especially since WBC is every bit as extremist as Jonestown.

How many people does a group need to have to cross that magical barrier from cult to religion?

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Actually, membership numbers do not distinguish a cult or religion, although religions are generally larger than cults because of the different natures of the groups.

It seems to me that the main difference between a "cult" and a "religion" is the way they either reject or accept the beliefs, attitudes, and values of the prevailing or surrounding culture.

A cult rejects the beliefs, attitudes and values of the surrounding culture, and a religion accepts them. A religion generally not only upholds these values, but actually creates them. By contrast, a cult not only rejects these values, but works toward destroying them -- intentionally or otherwise.

It is also true that religions, particularly fundamentalist strains, tend to define any group which disagrees with them as a "cult." This, of course, is an attempt to disparage the cult and discourage members of their congregations from joining another group. Fundamentalists groups are quite vulnerable to the migration of their members -- already extremist -- to these even more radical groups.

So far as I am concerned, their is little philosophical difference between a religion and a cult -- both involve convincing people that they know things which cannot be objectively proven to be true.

Dead heat in a dog race, I'd say.

by xxxxxxxx on Sat May 20, 06 5:08pm [+]

Religion is defined as a group of beliefs concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions, and rituals associated with it.

A cult may include the above, but is often distinguished by the following:
1. A religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society UNDER THE DIRECTION OF A CHARISMATIC LEADER.
2. The members of such a religion or sect.
3. Any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

If you look at cults like the Jim Jones Unification Church, it fits the three items above.

The major religions do not really fall into those categories. You can have a religion with less followers than a cult.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun May 21, 06 6:45am [+]

Good points made by both.

Based on these premises, griffon007 and FiddleFaddleOnLSD, what do you consider Fred Phelps and his followers? Read up on the full beliefs of WBC before making a decision.
by xxxxxxxx on Sun May 21, 06 11:41am [+]

^A cult.
by xxxxxxxx on Sun May 21, 06 11:50am [+]

I would say Baptists are a sect. Just like Protestants, Catholics, Presbyterians...but not Mormons; those fuckers will burn in hell for their beliefs. ...freaks.
by um__yeah on Sun May 21, 06 1:46pm [+]

I think he is a dangerous nutjob. In my opinion, the answer is yes.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun May 21, 06 4:33pm [+]

There is no difference. 'Cult' is a label used by one religious group to denigrate another.
by blaster on Tue Dec 19, 06 4:29pm [+]

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