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I guess the Dutch hate women because they don't seem to give a damn about the way muslims treat their women.So much for liberalism representing the powerless and vunerable.
She forged her asylum application.
^Correct me if I'm wrong but arent the US and Canada deporting a lot of people who commited that same crime?
And what's this talk about appeasement? the construction of synecdoches like this solely demonstrate that you have some sort of obsessive fantasy of about ole feeble Europe down on its knees and vibrant US rising as icone of all virtues. Pffft....
No seamus in America we still have freedom of speech and the government can't deport you because you say unpopular things.I don't know about Canada but I doubt they would have a policy like that.
Its a hobby of Herzog, hunt down any and all negative stories on Muslims and non-whites, in order to further his agenda.
We all know what that is, don't we!
"Appeasement" is just a fancy name for paying ransom.
If you believe that paying ransom stops kidnapping, then you live in a utopian tower, or under a rock, somewhere.
steel. I didn't have to hunt this down. It was in the Washington Post the other day. I do think that is rather unusual or suspicious that they would deport someone as well known as she is.
She wrote the film "Submission" which was directed by Theo van Gogh. He ended up getting assassinated for his role in that film. She also was interviewed on "60 Minutes", probably the most popular news oriented TV show in the US. She is a very controversial figure. This makes me somewhat concerned and suspicious of Dutch motives in this.
Im sure she is well known.
The point I am making is, the Herzog isnt posting this for any other eason other than to show anything non white and muslim is a dark light.
I cant remember any ballot he has made that shows them is a positive manner.
So you have to wonder what his agenda is.
From Wikipedia:
"Hirsi Ali arrived in the Netherlands in 1992. There is considerable lack of clarity about the events leading up to her arrival, because she has since admitted to making false statements in her application for asylum.
Hirsi Ali maintains that in 1992 her father arranged for her to marry a distant cousin living in Canada. Her family has denied this, however. It is not disputed that in 1992 she traveled from Kenya to visit family in Düsseldorf and Berlin, Germany. After a brief stay in Germany, she decided to go to the Netherlands instead of Canada.
Once in the Netherlands, she requested political asylum and received a residence permit. It is not known on what grounds she received political asylum. Legally, since her first stop was in Germany, she should have applied for asylum there. Also she had already resided in and had been granted refugee status in Kenya, a safe country. In the Netherlands, she gave a false name and date of birth to the Dutch immigration authorities. She is known in the West by her assumed name, Hirsi Ali, instead of her original name, Hirsi Magan. On the advice of her aunt, she told the immigration authorities that she had come straight from Somalia, instead of Kenya where she had been living for eleven years. In Somalia there was a serious famine at that time and a civil war leading to the Operation Restore Hope by the United States. Due to these circumstances, asylum seekers from Somalia were routinely granted asylum on humanitarian grounds. Hirsi Ali received a residence permit within three weeks of her arrival in the Netherlands.
On May 15, 2006, officials of the Netherlands government cast doubt on Hirsi Ali's status as a Dutch national, due to concerns related to the fact that in order to obtain refugee status in the Netherlands she had provided false information. She later used the same false information when she applied for, and was granted, Dutch citizenship, in violation of Dutch law."
*Gasp* *Double Gasp* She's an illegal alien! And as any neo-con can tell you, there is nothing in the world worse than an illegal alien!
How about an illegal alien with left wing ideals?
Steel
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steel, cranky. It is a relevant ballot. I almost posted something similar to this. It is a worthy topic to be debated rather than have people engage in ad hominem attacks or cranky's tired old race-baiting.
Steel: so you're going to go ahead and ignore the point of the ballot because it doesn't support your opinion? I guess you're one of those pro-censorship guys?
If the Dutch aren't willing to protect their country, perhaps they don't deserve it.
Fiddle:
No, the ballot maintains but a tenuous grip on reality. The title is: EUROPE TAKING STEPS TO LIMIT MUSLIM EXTREMISM. Then the body of the ballot refers to ONE instance, filled with complications, in ONE tiny country in Europe, and wants people to accept, without question, that the ballot can be generalized to ALL of Europe. Plus the situation that this illegal alien found herself in has nothing to do with limiting extremism.
That's about as ridiculous as one person in Rhode Island getting crossways with the government, and someone putting up a ballot suggesting that it represents the approach that every governmental entity in North America is taking but, of course, the situation has nothing to do with the topic of the ballot. Absurd.
And my previous comment had nothing to do with race.
Sorry, I am with cranky and steelhamster on this one.
Cranky has not gone of on a tangent, he has the bull's eye. She is an illegal immigrant. Perhaps she can be given asylum? But please, allow her to be an active politician? That wouldn't be fair would it.
It would be a paradox for to keep her in the party, an embarassing paradox. Because her party wants to crack down on illegal immigration, and with her there it would seem hypocritical.
I heard that she resigned anyway to save her party's face.
Or is it that she has right wing views that she should be treated specially? Nonsense. I don't care how much some people agree with ehr opinions, the fact of the matter is that she broke the law. The highest justice is to see without preference.
Perhaps the US should elect some illegal Mexican immigrants to Congress?
And if they did so accidently, and found out that papers had been forged, would it not be proper for the US to fix this, because by American law one must be a citizen to be a politician? Or would it be 'appeasement'?
thc- "If the Dutch aren't willing to protect their country, perhaps they don't deserve it."
- ummm... last time I checked the Dutch have been implementing dozens of anti-immigration laws. The Dutch are tougher on immigration, legal or illegal, than the USA is.
Socrates: had the dutch authorities simply deported her on charges of being there illegally there would be no problem.
The concern I had is that when faced with a threat of assasination they responded by kicking her out of her home, not because of her citizenship concerns, but because they were too afraid to deal with the terrorists head on.
And if she's been in the limelight this long, and admitted long ago that her information was inaccurate, and they only now decide to do something about it, I'd say that's politically motivated.
herzog- the threats against her life were not new. If that were the case, don't you think her own party which has people more hard-line against Muslims then she is, have told her to leave as soon as she received threats?
As for her legal status, the controversy over that has been building gradually. You are right it is old news. I have been watching the growing pressure that has built up against her. Everyone, including herself, saw the paradox in that her own party had began to heavily crack down on illegal immigration, and had a member who was an illegal immigrant.
There are many illegal immigrants in the U.S. who have been her as long as she had been in the Netherlands.
Why isn't their "crime" old news for them?
kick out the feckin' muslims!
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