result #95382 - SHOULD CANADA RESPECT MULTI-CULTURALISM?

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SHOULD CANADA RESPECT MULTI-CULTURALISM?


[+] ballot by herzog
created Tue Jun 06, 06
"Following are excerpts from an interview with the Mufti of Egypt Dr. Ali Gum'a, which aired on Al-Risala TV on May 26, 2006:

Ali Gum'a: Wife-beating is associated with the cultural status of women in the different societies. Women in some cultures are not averse to beatings. They consider it as an expression of masculinity, and as a kind of control, which she herself desires. In other societies, it is the exact opposite. We must follow reason. When we are dealing with certain societies...

I got a question from Canada. The man said: "Here, it is a crime to beat a wife, even with a toothbrush. Is this prohibition acceptable in Islam? Yes. Islam accepts that the beating of Canadian wives, in this culture and ambience... From childhood they are taught that beating women is a type of barbarism, savagery, and so on. There is nothing wrong with taking this into consideration, and adapting to society, because Islam did not command us to be aggressive towards women....

But when Allah permitted wife-beating, He permitted it to the other side of culture, which considers it as one of the means to preserve the family, and as one of the means to preserve stability."

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The guy makes a pretty clear case; beating woman is part of their culture, and the women like it anyway.

But muslims in canada feel the need to conform to become acceptable to the dominate culture. This is not what mutliculturalism is all about. Should canadians be more understanding of this particular culture and embrace diversity even if it may seem a little strange to these bigotted white westerners?

NO! Everyone should be a National Socialist-treat women with respect! 31%
one Imam speaks for all of Canada 25%
Well, it's ok not to tolerate some things . . . 18%
Cultural traditions that violate human rights should not be tolerated 15%
Canada made it's bed and now it has to lie in it. 9%
Canada should welcome diversity, including the ancient and venerable practice of wife-beating 0%

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Next, whitey's going to be surpressing cannibals and marriage to six-year-olds.IC_tune

by _Beelzebubba on Tue Jun 06, 06 6:57am [+]

human rights override multiculturalism
by ABC on Tue Jun 06, 06 7:11am [+]

Sounds like that guy would feel right at home in South Carolina (and probably Texas).

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Judiciary Committee passes cockfighting bill, tables domestic violence bill

(Columbia) April 20, 2005 - The State House took up two pieces of legislation this week aimed at protecting two different groups. Up for debate was cracking down on gamecock fighting and protecting victims of domestic violence.

A bill protecting cocks passed through the House Judiciary Committee. Rep. John Graham Altman (R-Dist. 119-Charleston) was in favor of the gamecock bill, "I was all for that. Cockfighting reminds me of the Roman circus, coliseum."

A bill advocates say would protect victims against batterers was tabled, killing it for the year. Rep. Altman is on the committee that looked at the domestic violence bill, "I think this bill is probably drafted out of an abundance of ignorance."

Wednesday, Vicki Bourus, an advocate for victims of domestic violence, was inundated with phone calls and e-mail. The people were reacting to Graham Altman's comments against the bill, "There's just an outcry going on."

Both cockfighting and domestic violence are currently misdemeanor crimes, punishable by 30 days in jail. If the bill passes, cockfighting will become a felony, punishable by five years in jail. Domestic violence crimes will remain a misdemeanor.

Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter (D-Dist. 66-Orangeburg) says of the two bills, "What we have said by the actions of the Judiciary Committee is we aren't going to create a felony if you beat your wife, partner. But now, if you've got some cockfighting going on, whoa! Wait a minute."

Rep. Altman responds to the comparison, "People who compare the two are not very smart and if you don't understand the difference, Ms. Gormley, between trying to ban the savage practice of watching chickens trying to kill each other and protecting people rights in CDV statutes, I'll never be able to explain it to you in a 100 years ma'am."

News 10 reporter Kara Gormley asked Altman, "That's fine if you feel you will never be able to explain it to me, but my question to you is: does that show that we are valuing a gamecock's life over a woman's life?"

Altman again, "You're really not very bright and I realize you are not accustomed to this, but I'm accustomed to reporters having a better sense of depth of things and you're asking this question to me would indicate you can't understand the answer. To ask the question is to demonstrate an enormous amount of ignorance. I'm not trying to be rude or hostile, I'm telling you."

Gormley, "It's rude when you tell someone they are not very bright."

Altman, "You're not very bright and you'll just have to live with that."

In the follow-up interview, Rep. Altman commented, "I wanted to offend that snippy reporter who come in here on a mission. She already had the story and she came in with some dumb questions and I don't mind telling people when they ask dumb questions."

Rep. Cobb-Hunter says, "The reality is the law says domestic violence regardless, first, second or third offense is a misdemeanor, and what they passed yesterday says cockfighting is a felony."

MAG_afro
by cranky on Tue Jun 06, 06 9:09am [+]

THink of it this way- would you beat your mother? Grandmother? Sister? Aunt?
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Jun 06, 06 3:04pm [+]

lemme guess, you make a long, long ballot where you want the answer to be 'no' right?
by aya on Tue Jun 06, 06 8:43pm [+]

oh, I know, it's about Canada, so the words of one Imam speak for every Muslim in Canada, right?
by aya on Tue Jun 06, 06 8:44pm [+]

"Canada made it's bed and now it has to lie in it"

I love that. Blame Canada. Always, when something goes wrong, blame Canada. Hey smart ass, it's not so great down there, try being a whitey going through the streets of Detroit, at least here, there is more racial harmony. Oh wait, anything good about Canada is bad.
by aya on Tue Jun 06, 06 8:46pm [+]

' I love that. Blame Canada. Always, when something goes wrong, blame Canada.'

Lol, Irony.

Yes, let's go back to the good ol' days, when everything was americas fault.
by herzog on Tue Jun 06, 06 9:44pm [+]

No, this should not be tolerated. But this doesn't mean that all multicultural characteristics should be abandoned. There are many great aspects. The key to anything is moderation though. Or so it seems.

But human rights should be given preference rather than cultural respect. It is unacceptable if a Westerner does it, or when someone from any other civilisation does it. Some argue that human rights are universal principles?
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Jun 06, 06 10:09pm [+]

hey smart ass, why don't you try looking at what Cranky's article? And stop playing victim
by aya on Fri Jun 09, 06 10:06am [+]

^ who the hell are you addressing your comment to, smart ass?
by Kev24 on Fri Jun 09, 06 10:44am [+]

Kev:

I'm assuming that aya was referring to "the victim," and around here we all know who that is.

MAG_afro
by cranky on Fri Jun 09, 06 3:29pm [+]

Voted : Cultural traditions that violate human rights should not be tolerated
In this world, many societies only “accept” women for behavior that is harmful to them as human beings. These women are, in fact, rewarded for exhibiting behavior befitting a demented individual. This type of behavior is commanded of them by men who have, themselves, become demented by their own intense self-love, hatred of women, and belief in a false god. These men put self FIRST, god SECOND, and women LAST. Would we let retarded individuals as an entity maim themselves? We would not, and we should likewise not allow women (who are accepted only when they exhibit behavior like those of a misdirected retarded individual) to injure themselves, either. Rather than closing a blind eye to women's suffering, even if we PRETEND they want it (and they do not but they are terrified of saying it), we must teach them this is not a positive or healthy thing to do to themselves.

I am sure all the men who piously say to let these women be beaten in peace would run right way to correct the “wrong thinking” of society of MEN who behaved as self-abusively as these women do.
by forgetmenot on Tue Dec 12, 06 7:27pm [+]






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