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WHO IS THE WORLD LEADER IN SUICIDE TERRORISM?


[+] ballot by Mithrandir
created Sun Jul 09, 06
ANSWER : Tamil Tigers, a totally secular group whose only religious connection is with Hinduism

Hamas 135
Al Qaeda 134
Hizbollah 72
Other 59
Tamil Tigers 25

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if there muslim based it matters little what branch thay are in

by kerradolche on Sun Jul 09, 06 12:33pm [+]

the rest are muslim based
by kerradolche on Sun Jul 09, 06 12:34pm [+]

sorry that probbly sounded bigoted it was just an observation.
by kerradolche on Sun Jul 09, 06 12:37pm [+]

What is your source? This is the second time I have seen this misleading information. Here are the numbers from 2005:

Incidents
1. Al Qaeda 190
2. Hammas 183
3. Taliban 100
4. Communist party of Nepal 93
5. Communist party of India 90
6. Liberation Tigers of Tamil 62
7. Revolutionary Armed forces of Columbia 61
8. Palestinian Islamic Jihad 53
9. Ansar al-Sunnah Army 42
10. Al fatah

The top 10 attacks by casualties are all Islamic terrorism based.

Source: The MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base. Providing in-depth information for researchers, policymakers, emergency responders, and the general public, the Terrorism Knowledge Base integrates data from the RAND Terrorism Chronology and RAND-MIPT Terrorism Incident databases; the Terrorism Indictment database; and DFI International's research on terrorist organizations.

Sources also include: The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (MIPT), The Department of Homeland Security, DFI International, RAND Corporation, and others.

So, come up with something more reputable than this.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Jul 09, 06 12:38pm [+]

I also looked up the figures on the National Counter Terrorism database.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Jul 09, 06 12:44pm [+]

I can give you exact numbers for any group, date, place, injuries, deaths and intended targets.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Jul 09, 06 12:50pm [+]

The MIPT database also had the following information for 2005

Below are group classifications followed by the number of incidents.

Anarchist 11
Anti-Globalization 4
Communist/Socialist 371
Environmental 5
Leftist 10
Nationalist/Separatist 777
Other 11
Religious 682
Right-Wing Conservative 2
Right-Wing Reactionary 1

Note that religious terrorism makes up only about a third of all world terrorist incidents. And not all religious terrorism is Muslim (despite what some would have you believe).
by cranky on Sun Jul 09, 06 2:24pm [+]



Two sources actually

The first is the work of Robert Pape (associate Professor at the University of Chicago in his Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism funded by Carnegie Corp., the Pentagon's Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the University of Chicago and the Argonne National Laboratory. He counted 462 suicide terrorists worldwide -- including 71 from al Qaeda -- between 1980 and 2003. The leader in those numbers were the Tamil Tigers. As well, Pape looked at the beliefs of 384 of the 462 suicide attackers, and found that 43 percent were religious and 57 percent secular. If those whose ideology he could not determine are all assumed to be religiously motivated, it brings the religious group to 52 percent. Also, 301 of the 315 suicide terrorist attacks perpetrated in the years studied were part of what Pape calls strategic campaigns designed "for specific political, mainly secular goals."

The second would be Jane's Information Group, a world leading provider of intelligence and analysis on national and international defence, security and risk developments. Jane’s is an independent organisation with an unrivalled reputation of accuracy, authority and impartiality.

NUMBER OF SUICIDE ATTACKS BETWEEN 1980­2000

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in Sri Lanka and in India 168
Hizbullah and pro-Syrian groups in Lebanon, Kuwait and Argentina 52
Hamas in Israel 22
The Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) in Turkey 15
The Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in Israel 8
Al Quaida in East Africa 2
The Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) in Croatia 1
The Islamic Group (IG) in Pakistan 1
Barbar Khalsa International (BKI) in India 1
The Armed Islamic Group (GIA) in Algeria 1

Since the US-led so-called war on terrorism, and the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, initiated between 2001 and 2003, there numbers of suicide bombings have sky-rockeketed in those areas of conflict. But the statistics would be skewed to compare peace-time occurrences with the same events in a war-like setting.
by Mithrandir on Sun Jul 09, 06 2:57pm [+]

No. The real answer is not "WHO", but WHAT.

Since reality, proper credible research and the TRUE facts will clearly and easily show that Islamic suicide terrorism is by far responsible for the most deaths of innocent humans in this world, the true answer is organized Isalmic suicide terrorism period.

Not only are Islamic suicide attacks a international (global) problem, it is also reponsible for the world's worst human death toll from a single organized planned suicide attack.

In my opinion this ballot is just another reminder how desparate some Mulsims are becoming, and how they like to continually decieve and distort the facts to defend their so-called religion. But defend what?

Muslims, when faced with the dismal status and record of their so-called religion, like to console themselves with the fact that other religions and organizations also have a history of violence. They will even reach back centuries to do this. But this is absolutly absud. Other religions are not the standard. To get to the truth we have to compare the teachings of these religions to the modern humanistic concepts of equality and unity of humankinds.

If all religionists are struggling to score points by comparing their records of violence what are they really teaching us? They would be hoping to win what, to win at establishing their barbarity?

What is the point of this ballot? Is Mithrandir hoping to somehow mitigate the vile acts of Islamic terrorism by pointing out the violence of others? That's like saying the Khomer Rouge is not guilty of genocide because the Nazis were worse! What is there to win in that kind of thinking? There is nothing to win.

However, Mithrandir is not entirely alone in thinking like this. This kind of religious feuding has of course been going on since the beginning of the history of mankind. Instead, all religious followers, including Mithrandir, need to see the errors of their own religions, not the errors of others. Fortuneately this has been done time and time again by virtually all religions...Islam not included.

Through history for example, Christianity has found its own mistakes and brought them to the light, reformed, evolved, and progressed to improvement. Why can't Islam do this? Christians have been Christianity's most outspoken critics. Mulsims seem incapable of criticising one iota of their Islamic beliefs. This is where the danger lies.

Apart from that, unlike Islam, the doctrines and teachings of Christianity and Judaism represent no threat to the peace and security of the world.

The Hindus have produced one of the greatest spiritual leaders in Ghandi, whose peacful ways defeated a superpower without using violence. Christianity produced the Rev. Martin Luther King, who also defeated a superpower using non-violence.

The Arab-Palestinians claim they use violent terrorism to murder innocent Israelis because they are oppressed. The Buddhist people of Tibet have been brutally oppressed by the Chinese for half a century, yet the Buddhist people are not strapping on explosives to evicerate themselves in the chinese markets, or firing homemade rockets into chinese villages to murder innocent Chinese citizens.

Islam on the other hand, is a constant menace to the world peace and to the Muslims themselves who are quite capable to sacrifice their own lives in order to kill the percieved "enemies" of Islam...infidels. The level of fanaticism is far greater amongst the average Muslims, than the average Christians, Jews, Hindus or Sihks.

When a Christian kills someone, even if the feud is between two religious groups like in the case of North Ireland, it is never inspired by religion itself. Nowhere in the Christian doctrine does it says kill the people of other faiths. In contrast Quran is replete with such exhorts. For a Muslim all wars are religious wars. Christians do not go terrorizing people shouting Jesus is great or Jehovah! Muslims always shout Allah u Akbar to get ready for killing.

No, we do not tolerate violence in one religion simply because other religions also have violent histories. Two wrong do not make a right. Such comparisons are not a valid argument for anything. If anything it just points out how stupid religion is period, especially Islam. One needs to ask why such thinking that went into this ballot does not encourage Muslims to dig deeper into the Islamic teachings.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sun Jul 09, 06 4:34pm [+]

I think it is the Tamil Tigers I believe they were the ones who invented the suicide vest.It just goes to show you that all religions have their extremist who take certain passages in Holy Books out of context.
"Rise soldier rise and make war; for it is a soldiers duty to make war."
by Corrupt on Sun Jul 09, 06 5:10pm [+]

On suicide attacks your statistics are misleading. There are a low number of suicide attacks by non-Islamic related groups. I can make even Al-Qaeda look peaceful by playing with the time frame. The number of incidents I listed is a fact.
The most lethal attacks were all by muslim extremists:
1. Al-Hillah, Iraq, 125 fatalities Al Qaeda
2. Baled, Iraq Sept 29 102 fatalities Al Qaeda
3. Mussayyib Iraq July 16 98 fatalities Al Qaeda
4. Baghdad Iraq 88 fatalities Al Qaeda
5. Khanaqin Iraq 77 fatalities (unknown group)
6. Amman Jordan Nov 9 63 fatalities Al Qaeda
7. Arbil Iraq May 4 Ansar al-Sunnah (religious) 40 fatalities
8. London England July 7 Al Qaeda affiliated 56 fatalities
9. Mosul Iraq March 10 53 fatalities Al Qaeda
10. Rabiah Iraq July 29 52 fatalities

ALL were suicide bomber attacks.

I found 10 times (at least) the number of incidents attributed to Islamic extremist groups than any other.

I found 5447 fatalities attributed to Sunni groups and 18,537 incidents from 1980 until today. I have far more fatalities attributed to terrorism in Israel alone than the numbers you gave. Not all were suicide attacks though. I didn't even look at the attacks on embassies etc. Your statistics are misleading. It is still an attempt to excuse Islamic extremism by saying "see, others do it too". That is bullsh*t. So what.

Saying that the US war in Iraq is the cause of these attacks is bogus. You can resist an invader without killing everyone including your own people with suicide attacks. French resistance during world war 2 was very effective and they didn't go to Berlin train stations and blow themselves up.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Jul 09, 06 5:32pm [+]

One must also count the number of fatalities. I couldn't even find 1000 attributed to the Tamil Tigers from 1968! to present. On 9/11 alone, 2,986 attributed to Al-Qaeda. The total attributed to Al-Qaeda is over 5000.

Al-Qaeda to date:
at least incidents: 31 injuries: 8,863 deaths: 3,460
Al-Qaeda of the Twin Rivers: incidents: 205 injuries: 3,071 deaths: 1,647

Note: This does not include all of the affiliated groups which total at least 140.

"Note that religious terrorism makes up only about a third of all world terrorist incidents." Yes, but the overwhelming majority of deaths. To a suicide bomber or terrorist it doesn't matter how many times you do it. It usually matters about how many you kill. Also, "incidents" can include any number of things including failed attempts, kidnappings, etc. Your numbers are misleading as well.

Mithrandir, your numbers are interesting, but do not tell the whole story. Plus, you cherry pick a time frame designed to make it look like the Tamil Tigers are the worst.

I'll add to the issue with Iraq. The majority of those target and killed are fellow Iraqis. You can't say Americans being there caused Iraqis to kill other Iraqis. American presence doesn't cause make Iraqis kill each other in suicide attacks. They are religious extremists battling for control. If the US left, they would still do what they are doing now.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Jul 09, 06 8:06pm [+]

If suicide terrorism means giving arms to people to kill Americans it would have to be the US government which has never repealed the right to bear arms leading to the gunshot suicide deaths of tens of thousands of Americans. Al Qaeda are just amateurs compared to that.
by LRonCupboard on Mon Aug 14, 06 12:21pm [+]

Voted : Hamas
Is this ballot a complete lie that uses Tiqqyah (deception) to defend Islamic terrorism? If we do a little research we can soon find the answer.

Some Muslims and Islamic apologists often argue that suicide bombings for the cause of so-called "freedom fighting" are committed not only by the Muslims, and like to give the Tamil Tigers as an example of terrorists committing suicide bombings for their own freedom struggle. Thus according to them, Muslims are committing suicide today for their "freedom struggle". Therefore, suicide bombings by Muslim youths have nothing to do with Islam! But a most prudent question must be asked here: Are all those past suicide bombings of the Tamil Tigers the same as Islamic suicide bombings we see today? Is there pattern same? This is an important question to help in answering the ballot question correctly. Let us examine:

Are the Tamil Tigers terrorists a religous based organization? - NO.

Are the Tamil Tigers terrorist attacks about religion or religious beliefs? - NO.

Are the Tamil Tigers a politico-military separatist organization? - YES

Are the Tamil Tiger terrorists fighting for separate independant statehood for the majority ethnic-speaking Tamils of the North and East regions of Sri Lanka? - YES

Have the Tamil Tigers made a habit of intentionally directing their suicide attacks at innocent civilians at home and around the world? - NO

Have the Tamil Tigers been intentionally directing their suicide attacks at Soldiers, Military targets, economic targets and "enemy" political leaders? - YES

Have the Tamil Tigers taken their terrorism, suicide or otherwise, outside of their region to create global terror, to strike at innocent civilians in other countries? - NO.

Does the number of Timil Tiger suicide attacks exceed those of Islamic terrorists? - NO, not even close.

Are the Tamil Tigers currently holding to a "cease-fire" agreement since 2002 so that negotiations and diplomacy can be worked-out regarding their Tamil autonomy and independence? - YES.

Do any of these above factors match the pattern of Islamic suicide attacks the world is witnessing? - NO. Does the obvious conclusion match the ballot's "claimed" correct answer? You decide.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Aug 19, 06 2:22pm [+]

Iran did not make this list..Shocking!
by Guest User from [64.231.140.246] on Wed Aug 30, 06 9:31pm [+]

Voted : Other
Japan. There were 3,500 suicide pilots at the battle of Okinawa alone.
by Guest User from [64.250.201.145] on Tue Oct 31, 06 2:44pm [+]






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