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Voted : Hezbollah
Hezbollah aggressivly crossed the border first in THIS conflict.
Whoever votes Hezbollah already knew that though? No, I don't think they did know.
I believe the answer is unknown and semi-academic.

Trying to establish an 'original transgressor' in a decades- long conflict by arbitrarily setting a stake in the calendar is mostly an attempt to justify one side or the other. IMO.

And until the underlying real problem is addressed, all of the surface finger- pointing on 'who started it most recently' is going to keep us spinning our wheels.
The media tells me it was Hezbollah. It must be true then.
Cathexis - The fact is this is a NEW conflict. A peace treaty was made long ago in which Israel was to withdraw from all occupied territory of Lebanon. It did withdraw from all of Lebanon. The conflict had pretty much ended. And then Hezbollah started fresh a new one when it crossed the border. Hezbollah could not possibly claim 'defensive' war since Israel had already withdrawn from Lebanon. Indeed, Hezbollah started this new conflict. It is hardly difficult to see.
Cathexis- "underlying real problem"

What is that? It certainly is not Israeli occupation of Lebanon since they ended THAT conflict long ago with a peace treaty and a withdrawal.

So it must be: Hezbollah prisoners, the Palestinian question, and Israeli occupation of Syrian territory? Israel should not negotiate with Hezbollah on any of the three factors I stated.
Yes, I know the Conventional Wisdom ... that the conflict is due to Hezbollah 'kidnapping' of Israeli Corporal Gilad Shalit by Hamas- led militants on June 25, 2006 and the 'abduction' of two more Israeli soldiers on July 12, 2006.

And we can conveniently ignore any preceding Israeli assassinations of Hezbollah figures because them Hezbos is just terrorists ... right?
Voted : Hezbollah
Hezbollah crossed into Israeli territory and kidnapped soldiers. What do you expect Israel to do? What would the US do if terrorists in Mexico did the same to US soldiers? Especially if this group had 14,000 missiles aimed at the US.
The 'underlying problem,' is, of course, the whole Palestinian- Israeli statehood contention.

I didn't say it would be easy, but IMO, until this is resolved in a fashion acceptable to all parties, the violence will continue -- under one guise or another.
Cathexis- were those assassinations before or after the peace settlement of the last conflict in which ended when Israel withdrew from Lebanon?
"The 'underlying problem,' is, of course, the whole Palestinian- Israeli statehood contention."

I agree. But add to that Israeli occupation of Syrian land and Hezbollah prisoners. I do not think Israel should negotiate with Hezbollah on any of those issues. Not even Palestine. Hezbollah should not be involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Plus, you seem to be dismissing the Palestinian family that was gunned down on the beach by Israeli soldiers on a gunboat on June 9th, 2006.

I seem to remember some correlation being asserted, when the soldier kidnapping took place.
Of course half the voters have voted Israel but NONE have given any evidence of this. On this site, the Left tends to not want to actually discuss issues or to attempt to provide evidence.
If Hezbollah's motivation is the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, then there can be no lasting peace without their involvement, IMO.

Diplomacy is not just for our friends and allies.
Cathexis - A hypothetical Hezbollah reaction to that would still be a reaction that intentionally strove to provoke Israel toward Lebanon.
Cathexis- "If Hezbollah's motivation is the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, then there can be no lasting peace without their involvement, IMO."

- I disagree. Involving Hezbollah is not at all required for discussion between Israelis and Palestinians. They would probably just echo what Hamas has to say, and their input doesn't add anything. It would just give them more ego and confidence when it is not even necessary at all to involve them.
Of course half the voters have voted Israel but NONE have given any evidence of this. On this site, the Left tends to not want to actually discuss issues or to attempt to provide evidence.
by Socrates on Aug 09, 2006 9:52am

No kidding. Votes inpired out of spitefulness, malice and hate.
Soc: How can you 'stop the fighting' if you don't involve the people who are doing the fighting?
But ... we're getting off-topic.
Cathexis- Israel should deal with Hezbollah and Palestinians separately. I don't see at all how Hezbollah's presence would increase or decrease the effectiveness of negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians. It is really none of Hezbollah's business. If for examply, Palestine chose to recognise Israel's existence and to move toward a peace settlement that would be a two-state solution, it is very likely that Hezbollah would oppose this. Should Israelis or Palestinians care about any Hezbollah objections? No.
Hezbollah crossed over in to Israel and kidnapped several of her citizens. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

That anyone would dispute this just shows what an excellent job the jihadis have done using our media for their PR purposes.
Voted : Hezbollah
As I stated on a similiar ballot, "Hezbollah is responsible for the death and destruction in Lebanon. They kidnapped an Israeli soldier. What did they expect Israel to do, roll over and play dead?"
_Beelzebubba_Dubya Syria's got to stop doing this shit...
Soc: Oh, I agree completely ... Hezbollah was most assuredly trying to lure Israel into a Lebanon invasion.

But I can't, for the life of me, figure out why they took the bait.
Hezbollah did ignite the spark,but this war and bombing looks already planned by Israel.
^ Of course. Do you think that a nation that is surrounded by millions of other people wanting to annihalate them, aren't going to be prepared for all and any scenario?
People who voted that Israel started this conflict are just plain stupid and ignorant, or just supporting terror!
It's sad when people can't be objective about this simple question when the only fact is that Hezbollah attacked Israel first for no reason or provocation by Israel first.
Even if you are Muslim who support terror, you should be more objective about the truth, no matter how you don't like it...
If one is going to say Israel started it, then I might as well respond to that logic by saying the false prophet Muhammad started it 1400 years ago.
Hezbollah ignite the spark. Syria and Iran told them to do it, since they know that it wont be their own lands that would suffer the fighting. Just like how Hezbollah been planning for years on this war too. They start something, and it was the Lebanon government and Lebanon people that got stuck in the middle.

Plus Israel was in the middle of trying to get their soldiers back from Hamas. They didnt do a full out attack, but hope that they could negotiated with Hamas for their soldiers back. During which they get strike from the back by Hezbollah in the middle of that situation.
Israel has been attacking Lebanon for decades. They started it years ago, and this is just more of the same. and it was Israel's soldiers crossing over into Lebanon and getting CAPTURED in Lebanon showing that Israel doesn't respect other nation's borders and wanting to fight.
Look at what Israel did to Lebanon! They tore that country into shreds. Killed scores of civilians. That is the true face of TERRORISM.
^No, that is what you call the consequences of the stupidity of attacking a sovereign nation, crossing its borders, killing its soldiers and kidnaping another. Same response would happen if terrorists attacked France, China, Canada or the U.S. in the same manner.

Hezbollah made a stupid decision, a miscalulation and committed negligent and irresponsible act of violenec without consulting, warning or thinking of the Lebanese people, the ones they hide among, and flee to like cockroaches in the light when the IDF nears.

Hezbollah's act was self-serving only, with no consideration to the consequences. Now they are spin-doctoring, tap dancing and kissing the asses of the gullible Lebanese people, buying them off with cash from the Mullahs in Iran.
Infact the killing of Lebanese civilians only serves the side of hizbullah itself. Those outraged civilens will surely suuport Hizbullah - who resists Israel, after the Israeli army killed their family or someting.
And afcourse Hizbullah started the war, it's plain out obvious.Even the biggest conspiracy can't deny that simple fact.(for all of you arab lovers...)
I suggest all of you guys to see the documentry movie : "The cult of the sucide bomber" , which you can easily find on emule and similar softwares.
and try to watch the kidnapping tape of 3 Israeli soldiers in 2000, that hizbullah released no long ago. You could easily see thaty any clash between Israel and hizbullah in the last 6 years happened because of them.
Oh and let me tell you a story: We went to an annual school trip like 3-4 years ago when it was quite up north. My teacher had only recently told me that back then she saw Hizbullah guys on the mountains close to us and they gave a "cutting throat" sign to her, and only the recent war brought her to told us that... those fucking animals...
Oh and another fact you should know is that there were bodies of Iranian comando soldiers in lebanon who died , and discovered afterwards.
To conclude this comment as an Israeli , I just want to tell you all ot to judge Israel because you'll soon see ( I suggest you to see the mentioned above movie) that Israel is the only state fighting the 3rd world war that started long ago. you all will soon see the arab-muslims fanatics(not all fo them afcourse) trying to control the world. Israel is the recent front. but they'll get to where they want.
^Actually, the vast majority of Lebanese citizens do not support Hezbollah, regardless of their hatered of Israel. If you have been paying attention to recent news out of Lebanon you would know that the Lebanese people are demanding the expulision of the Hezbollah party members from the government.
Of course, Israel. They are the MOST dishonest nation on the planet.
^^Oh my! At least you don't hide your racism.
Jinn, what kind of BS game are trying to play? ISRAEL IS A NATION-STATE! Nothing more.

It is not a race.

it's also very clear that you zionist shills are spamming the votes on this ballot (yet again!)
^^Oh my! At least you don't hide your racism.^^
Jinn, the racist here is YOU, as you go around posting ballot after ballot promoting your agenda of anti-arab hate mongering.

and ISRAEL is a nation-state, NOT A RACE.
^Yes Lovelynice, and according to your unbiased, non-racist, thoughtful and kind regard of Israel "They are the MOST dishonest nation on the planet"

On the entire Earth yet! Wow! Interesting view. Could almost a verse right out of the Quran, Islam's doctrine of hate and intolerance.

Now, please allow me to correct a child liar. I have at no time ever created ballot that directs any derogatory remarks, labels criticism or racial attack on Arabs. Never.
{^Yes Lovelynice, and according to your unbiased, non-racist, thoughtful and kind regard of Israel "They are the MOST dishonest nation on the planet" by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sun Oct 22, 06 7:53pm}

Jinn, are you really that ALL OUT DUMB?!

Why yes you are!

Look at who posted that comment;
{Of course, Israel. They are the MOST dishonest nation on the planet.
by mukey on Mon Oct 16, 06 1:14am}

Looks like Jinn, you really are STUPID.

and let's repeat for really, incredibly dumb idiots like you.

ISRAEL IS A NATION-STATE NOT A RACE.

Disliking Israel's policies is no worse than disliking the policies of any other nation. Because that's what Israel is; an nation-state. Nothing more. No magical exceptions. No special case. No sacred promised land.
{ I have at no time ever created ballot that directs any derogatory remarks, labels criticism or racial attack on Arabs. Never.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sun Oct 22, 06 7:53pm}

what a big whopper of a lie that is!

You insult and lie about Arabs, and their religion, and their culture - REPEATEDLY! The evidence on EVERY BALLOT THAT YOU POST ON
Too bad you can never bring forward proof to back up your ludicrous claims, just like your sill 9/11 conspracy allegations.

When you have finished with your tantrum and rage-rant, you can try to prove I "REPEATEDLY" insult Arabs blah, blah, blah...go ahead prove it. It shouldn't be a difficult task if I do it on "every ballot" I post on.

I'm waiting....
That's nice you rant and rave and carry on like the liar that you are, BUT HAVEN'T ANSWERED A SINGLE QUESTION OR BACKED YOUR GARBAGE WITH ANYTHING AT ALL!
Come on, Jinn, HURRY UP AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!
and EVERYONE can see that you are vote spamming YET AGAIN!
Firstly Lovelynice, you have not asked me any questions...and by the way...regarding what? I don't have anything to discuss with you. You are mentally disturbed as far as i'm concerned and you have nothing of interest or importance to say ever.

Secondly, there is no such thing as vote spamming. If there is, tell us how this is done please. Just another paranoid delusion of yours. Typical of the tinfoil hat brigade.

Thirdly, you shouldn't be so obsessed with votes and polls, especially here. You take them too seriously. Not healthy. Who gives a crap what these polls say. Chill out, or get some help for your paranoia, delusions and obsessive worry about the votes. Sheesh!

And finally. Frankly, you are a bore, a liar and an immature child who likes to stawk, curse and insult others. And for what? Get a life little one.

You are a waste of my valuable time. Go stawk and harass someone else with your infantile nonsense, banter, lies and child-like temper-tantrums, cyber rage and delusional accusations and claims. I'm done with you. Goodbye.
^ "Valuable time"?

Surely they don't pay *that* much at McDonalds?
Jinn, your little lies and pretense don't work.

If you want to make bullshit claims then back your bullshit with somehing to supportit. Blustering on does nothing.

You NEVER answered a single one of my questions.

You have never cited any scientific study showing that cellphone calls can be successfully made from planes flying six miles up a over 450mph. So, basically you're full of shit. when you pretend those cellphone calls were real - they weren't.

You have never cited a single steel-framed HI-RISE building collapsing straightdown into it's footprint without a controlled demolition being the cause. Instead you "Arabs Did It" IDIOTS clam that this miraculous event happened THREE TIMES ON ONE DAY, when it's never happened before or since. You've also never been able to cite any mathematical simulation of the WTC destruction which successfully shows that there was enough energy for gravitational collapse - because there wasn't.

In all truth, you just LIE, AND LIE , AND LIE.
{Israel have been here forever while the Arabs are newcomers.
by Guest User on Sat Dec 02, 06 7:31am}

^^^ Moron Alert! ^^^

Israel is the newcomer, you silly ignoramus.

The Arabs have been there for thousands of years, and those Palestinians that the European Zionist Jews in Israel like to kill in huge numbers, and steal their land, very probably have more of the blood of Abraham and Moses running through their veins that any of your Israeli settlers of European ancestry.
There is no factual evidence to back up your ridiculous claim. I can provide ample genetic evidence to prove you wrong. Also, Jews have lived there for thousands of years. Not all of them were dispersed.
Lebanon had years to sort out Hezbollah , they didn't and this is the result.
No, I am not. Why don't you register (or log in) instead of hiding behind a Japanese guest ID? I'll await your "proof".
Nice try using the guest function to post your comments lovelynice. Afraid to post things under your user ID? Coward!
Another guest comment awaits approval by lovelynice. Log in you coward.
I'll provide ample evidence when you log in and post your comments under your lovelynice alias. As it stands, you are a racist, anti-semite, conspiracy nut, holocaust denier, Japanese war crime denier/apologist AND a COWARD.
Lovelynice you are still being a coward trying to post guest user entries. I'll answer your question when you stop being a PATHETIC coward.
yawn. Another conspiracy. Yawn. Did you lose your tin foil hat?
Well "lovelynice"...

I know your "theories" are popular among Arabs and anti-Zionists, but it is easy to refute with the facts. Basically with genetics - a science. Genetic studies involving Jews and other groups are all published in peer reviewed scientific journals (a concept and importance of you are apparently genetically able to understand). The overwhelming number of studies (hundreds) demonstrate that today's Jews are most closely genetically related to palestinians and Lebanese (generally at least 70%) and show very little relationship to any other population groups. While some people have converted to Judaism, their contribution to the Jewish gene pool is relatively small. The Jewish gene pool is very homogeneous. Evidence otherwise is NOT based on genetics, which by the way is a science - not opinion. That you do not understand science is evident to anyone reading your 9/11 nonsense. Geneticists analyzing the genes of other semitic people such as Arabs show a very high correlation with Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim. There is relatively little genetic contribution from "Europeans" or any other groups. Semitic people and others in the mediterranean area are also often prone to many of the same genetically inherited diseases. Genetic markers of a select population group (while accounting for genetic drift - which happens in all populations) are passed on through the history of this group. It is this method that scientists will use to determine the ancestry of various populations such as Native Americans. It is all basic science. Anyone can have their genetic heritage determined. In fact, National Geographic has solicited volunteers to contribute samples for a study to determine the genetic migration of various population groups in history throughout the world. This is done mostly by analyzing various genetic makers. Genetic scientists use this to determine where different population groups have originated. For example, scientists can determine how closely related various Native American tribes are to each other.

Also, there is abundant evidence for millions of Jews that migrated to Europe after the fall of the temple. Apparently according to you, the Jews of that time somehow magically disappeared were replaced by some other group which somehow migrated (once again for which there is little scientific evidence) in such overwhelming numbers that they displaced the millions of Jews already existing in Europe.

I'm quite aware that your "theory" has currency in much of the Muslim and especially the Arab world, it isn't based on science. It is used solely for the purposes of denying Jews their legitimate right to their homeland. Your theories - this and 9-11 are just nonsense propaganda crap that is regularly spewed out in various middle-eastern countries without regard to the facts. As is the Holocaust denial crap you spew as well.

Its really hard to believe that you are a "Japanese-Australian". Neither of those groups has such a blatant bias or ax to grind against Jews - which you have in abundance. Other groups do. Neither group has any tendency whatsoever to engage in Holocaust denial, anti-Zionism (based on spurious theories), and 9/11 nonsense. KKK members, Nazis, and various Arab groups that have been fed no other information do.

So lovelycoward, how about logging in instead of relying on others to approve your entries? There is no "magical" ban that prevents 9/11 conspiracists from logging in. That is just more utter nonsensical ravings from you.

While I can post tons of scientific evidence backing up what I say, you will just spew more rantings based on opinion and propaganda. Your mind is already made up on the 9/11, Holocaust, and Jewish heritage. No amount of science would convince you and your aliases otherwise. Yes, I know who they are.
Israel started it. They sent those troops across the border into Lebanon, where they were captured by the Hezbollah on Lebanese territory.
FiddleFaddleOnLSD, why are you hiding behind that "guest user" logon as you try to pretend to be some visitor when we know it's you? Everyone knows by now that it was Israel sending in those soldiers across the border into Lebanon (where they were captured in Lebanon, on Lebanon's side of the border) started that war. The town where they were captured in on the Lebanese side of the border.
Hey idiot DOK/lovelynice.... I don't need to hide behind a guest user id like you and lovelynice have done repeatedly. I merely approve stuff others have posted. I certainly don't need to hide behind a guest ID to demolish the idiotic rubbish you post on every conspiracy and Israel related ballot. You are either mentally ill, brainwashed or just plain stupid. Get some help please.
Welcome to another horribly unreliable vote-spammned ballot with no crediblility whatsoever.

Watch as the votes for the vote-spammer's voices climb by upto hundreds of votes a day as he tries desperately to compensate for his small mind and flacid impotency.

Facts to him never matter, only the spread of his racist propaganda
Watch as the votes for the vote-spammer's voices climb by upto hundreds of votes a day as he tries desperately to compensate for his small mind and flacid impotency.
Voted : Israel
israel is ALWAYS starting conflicts



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