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Submitted by : keithsheen Submitted on : Oct 24,2006 1:06:41 pm ballot title: How many countries have a higher percentage voter turnout than the USA?ballot number:104054
by nuckinfutz on Tue Oct 24, 06 1:14pm
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If you have a population of only 5 million and only 3 million of them are eligible to vote and 2 million actuall do then you're looking at about a 70% voter turn out. Its all about scale This was just done in a ballot by Jyl. You have to know how many people are eligible to vote and how many are eligible but can't (like the very old) I looked it up and in the last census it said that 74.6% of the population was eligible to vote. That's about 224 million people out of about 300 million but it also said that 5.7% were 75 years or older so maybe they couldn't due to age. That's about 18 million people 75 or older so lets just say that about 9 million are very old and unable to get to the polls. Then you have to deduct out people in prison, people living abroad, people in hospitals, people who are mentally handicapped, etc. If you minus out the 9 million and lets say another 5 million for the reasons above that's about 210 million eligible voters. Looks like out voter turn out is a range of 40% to 60% on average. It should be much higher. Lazy asses need to get out there and vote Heres my comment pasted from Jyls ballot 2004 122,294,978 55.3% 2002 79,830,119 37.0% 2000 105,586,274 51.3 infoplease. com / ipa / A0781453 . html TomSmith, I admire your optimism but if there's any way the USA can come 139th in such a survey, however you measure it, whatever the populations, whatever the scale, etc, etc, etc,..... ...it's not good, is it?
by keithsheen on Tue Oct 24, 06 5:26pm
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Its not optimism You can see that I wrote that it should be much higher. I'm also educated enough and know someone very well who is a statistician for a world-wide organization. What I know is that they are flawed. I'm not saying that changes anything except that if people have a brain they know that these survey's or stats are very far from accurate. Stats are cold. They don't take into consideration variables like I was trying to point out above. This guy has always said that the margin of error is above 10%. Thats pretty high. Example is illegal aliens. there are over 12 million in the USa and they get counted in the census but they can't and don't vote. So the stats you're seeing are over-stating many things. Bottom line is that we have to know not only the exact % of eligible voters by age but out of those, which ones are in fact capable and legally eligible to vote. Follow? If the pop is 300 mil and according to census data 74.6% are within the age range legally allowed to vote, you then have to consider the illegal alien factor since they get counted in the total pop and then you have to factor out citizens that are abroad, etc. My point is factual because what you might find is that the eligible voting total is actually 65% or less. Get the point? If thats the case then the number of people who in fact should be voting drops to 195 million or less and closes the gap dramatically. Trust me no government or group factors that in when doing such a massive report So all I'm saying is its probably not as bad as you think. If this is not an anti-usa ballot, which I take your word its not, then why the close mind and the quick dismissal of logic and fact? I doubt its 139th. Go ahead and dismiss it but then know that you're not really being open minded Perfect example. In 2004 there were 142 million registered voters. 125,736 of that 142 million voted. That's 88.5% of all registered voters who actually did vote. See the point? The census bureau is going to report the total number of people who are eligible by age That's it. That's all they will look at. But that's not accurate like I pointed out above. Just because they are counted in the census as being of age to vote does not mean that they can legally vote for many reasons. The report states that in 2004 215,694 million people were of age to vote, but, 19 million of that were not actual citizens so could not vote. That brought the number of people able to vote to 197 million. In 2004, of that 197 million, 125 million actually did vote or, 63.8%. Do you know what the voter turn out is in the UK? its 75% here's the Link census. gov/ prod/ 2006pubs /p20-556. pdf Total rubbish. The USA turnout has been below 50% for a very long time. Neither is the UK anything to be proud of. Believe me, I am not full of confidence in the UK voting system. Did you not read my discloser. You think I'm trying to prove that the UK is somehow 'better' than the USA? The politics in both of our countries are corrupt, would-be-totalitarian, suspicious, accountable far more to corporations and the very rich than the people, ultimately misanthropic. Get on the side of the people before it's too late.
by keithsheen on Sat Oct 28, 06 3:57pm
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no but I can say this much in most of those countrys it is against the law not to vote and if they did not have a good reason to miss they would be arrested so have them check out to see how many free countries have a greater turnout and I do have to agree we do not have that great of a turn out but then again we have the freedom to or not to for now and as long as it is not against the law then vote or don't vote just if you do not vote don'nt complain to me about it oh well good bye all it has been fun but I have other things that I need to do and not spend so much time here you all take care In the last Governor election in my state, we had 5 people running and still yet the turnout was about 30-33% of the eligible voters. |