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Submitted by : USRocks
Submitted on : May 19,2005 6:58:53 pm
What Country has the best Navy in the World?
Can't imagine how you feel about this issue, US. @:>)
In terms of technology, the U.S. is making quantum leaps over other navies, but in terms of size, we're not that big anymore.
The patrol boats on Lake Leman and the Bodensee are operated by Swiss Army pioneers, Steel ;-)
The answer is quite obvious.The USA.
I think the Brits have a lot of the same technology and design elements we do with better trained sailors.
Poland has some kick-ass screen doors on their glass bottom submarines.
the size of a navy is unimportant really.
the spanish armada was much bigger than our navy but we still beat them.
it is about skilled seamanship not size.
britain needs to be beaten before anyone else lays claim to ruling the waves
Brits have the third best Navy after US and Russia.
The Royal Nay-Vee of England without a doubt. I saw Monty Python's recruitment skit.
Size is certainly important. If two navies are about the same magnitude then skill comes into play. And don't forget the Spanish armada was softened up by mother nature.
Thats is why I said don't count navy size. Do I have to say it twice?
how does it have the third best in the world?
you are talking about size again.
i will again say that until another country beats the RN then they cannot claim to have the best.
why did you come to the conclusion that america is any better than russia?
was the RN not in the same weather conditions?
did the RN do more damage than the armada?
Ok guys lets talk about modern navies. That was quite a while ago.
who normally wins the manouvers that would be a better debate or conclusion...
The Royal Navy
Ok...i'd naturally say the Royal Navy is the best being buyest...you only have to look at the battle of Trafalgar to see that..against the French..Nelson v Napolean and Napolean also had the spaniards too..they outnumbered us by ..i dunno 600 ships or something stupid....but we beat them..saying that i admire the US Navy in terms of it's size and it's an awesome sight when one of her carriers are in the dock at Portsmouth....
"Brits have the third best Navy after US and Russia."
based on what?
sleek designs of their ships?
Their stuff works only marginally..
for all you smart asses Sweden does have a navy equipped with stealth ships.
The UK has the greatest Navy on the planet,probably because they are a island nation.
1)U.S.A 2)Britain 3)Russia
Britain is ten times better trained then the russian navy but Russia has nuclear submarines. (Dont know if Britain does) but if it came down to it Britain would crush the Russian navy. Britain has ruled the navy for the longest times and has used that in the past to win many wars. I only put the United States in front because they do cover the most land and have a huge leap over any other navy. With nuclear powered ships that only need refuled every 20 years. Also the United States navy is constantly at work to protect the ocean around North America to make sure terrorists do not enter Canada,United States or Mexico with any Nuclear Weapons.
US first, followed by the UK.
Not sure after that.
England doesn't have a navy.
thats why the first comment was Woops England/UK
Not trying to be bias towards the ballot just answering your question..the US navy has more tonnage than the next 17 navies combine so really china has not much if you are comparing. Actually China doesn't have as much ships as the Royal navy so not that much. They had an aircraft carrier but turned it into a floating recreation center for some reason. Parked in a harbour. In terms of technology they are laughable.
maybe because the last time Britian was at war with the United states it had just a few ships used for gaurding the coast.
^ I also said stick with modern terms
One loss means nothing. Our naval history is far better than yours, and until the end of the 1st world war, we were undeniably the best.
Our technology is better than the Dutch Navy, by the way. Please look up facts.
^ Guest User go swallow a knife you little bitch with no backbone. Fucking traitor should be hanged with a wire noose.
Does this poll ask if the US has the best navy in the world Guest User you bitch? No it doesn't it is quite fair and unbias so fuck off.
Guest user is most likely someone from this site. It's amazing how bold they get when they don't sign on.
I've met many people from around the world. You have plenty of nerve calling Americans arrogant. Europeans are especially arrogant and condescending. It's just your own inferiority complex kicking in. You know how it goes, lets put someone down in order to make ourselves feel superior. You laugh at us? Well at least you take the time to think about us, actually you're fixated on the US. I'll tell you what most Americans think about you. You're like a pimple on our ass. We know you're there but you have no relevence in our lives.
^ Yes but it is talk like that which gives people the wrong impression. What our guest user friend said is wrong and i can see why you are a little pissed about it but it is quite true that quite a few Americans don't know anything about the world outside the US and gives off the impression that you don't care. for example, a few days ago i over heard a American lass talking about what she leart about the UK and these are her exact words: "Did you know that the UK isn't just England, i thought it was just England but it is actually split into four, England, Scotland, NEW ZEALAND AND NEW JERSEY." I couldn't help but burst out laughing, i corrected her but i think i was a little too blunt .
^ lol yes American youth are quite pathetic sometimes spartan..it is true. But not all. I know a great deal about other nations and people and I am still an average person.
^ Yes i know you are but you can't expect all youths to know much about the world, this was a woman who was at least 25 years old though.
I dont know what to say other than yes it is pathetic
Mindy, when people make a claim that Americans are arrogant and don't care about anything but America, and claim that's the reason why America's a bad country, it's NOT going to help your case by displaying that exact attitude.
The whole "pimple on our ass" thing doesn't help anyone. That immature reaction is what causes people to mock America, not an inferiority complex(lol). We definitely are relevant by the way.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve by saying "at least you think about us!". When people all around the world think of you like that all the time, it isn't a good thing in any way whatsoever. The only way to make the constant derision of your nation stop is to change the arrogant viewpoints of people like Mindy.
Or just deport people like Mindy to Cuba, whichever's easier.
^except lemming Americans don't give 2 shits of who makes fun of them or who doesn't like them. It never has.
^Yet you all bitch and moan about it, on every forum of every website.
"0MGZ, the Europeans are having a go again!"
"Why won't you stop!"
"Your points have no merit!"
*generic American insult*
"We don't like you either so there!"
USRocks, you've done this too, don't be so hypocritical.
You complain that American-bashing goes on too much, then say you don't care? bs. That's not what the media is saying. Your country's popularity is at an all-time low, making politics and business harder, plus many more problems. You also said in an earlier thread that "why are the Americans made out to be the bad guys all the time? It really does make us feel alone." And now you're trying to say otherwise?
As much as the arrogant Americans hate to admit it, you DO care that everyone from every other country seems to hate you right now. That attitude isn't helping things either.
I'm sure the more sensible Americans can admit that this is not a situation they like, and it's one they want to change.
I never said I don't care lemming I said Americans don't care. To a certain degree i do care if my country is being bashed to no end.
Well, if it's true that most Americans don't care, then it will never stop. When people say all these things, about what annoys them so much, only for that to be ignored and their comments disregarded, it never ends.
When the whole hyper-arrogance and in-your-face jigoistic patriotism stops, and you stop sending those fecking cartoons saying how amazing the US is and how it thrashed the UK in the revolutionary war, things would get better. And it would be better for everyone.
But what most of us tend to see is "we're better than you so stfu", and that really needs to stop.
Plus Mindy's "we're better than you and we always will be, so shut it" kinda attitude is what's wrong here, and what causes the bashing.
Hear that Mindy? You're what's wrong with your country.
Spartan that's true we have people over here that lack knowledge of what's going on outside the US. But this is also true of people from other countries. I have travelled quite a bit. I also work with people from all over the world. My social life includes people from all over, the UK, South Korea, Canada, Mexico, Germany,Japan, Peru ect.... My next door neighbor is part of a program that has youth from all over the world staying at her home for a year while they attend a year of school here. You stated that you heard an American make an American make an ignorant remark about the UK. I'm not going to go into every statement I have heard made about the US but I can assure you that I have heard many ignorant remarks made about my country. I also found another common underlying theme, and that is people tend to view their own country as better than other countries, this includes people from your own country. So ignorance and arrogance is found throughout the world, but the world seems to fixate on Americans. Maybe it's because no other country in the world has such strong impact on world events so our nation gets paid more attention to than others. If we were a third world country I doubt anyone would care what we did or didn't know about the world. Lemming as for my country not being liked, your country isn't exactly on everybodies favorites list (you're not liked very much in europe) and its probably been that way for centuries. What's wrong with our country, well I guess we learned from you.
*an American make...only meant to say that once.
Oh and for the record lemming. If you go and look at all the comments you have made on this site, the vast majority of what I read is the British this and the British that. It's seems you can't get off the topic. You even think you have the best tv shows...nope I've seen plenty of it and it's just as bad as ours. The vast majority of my comments have nothing to do with the US this or the US that. You're much more of an arrogant Brit than I am an arrogant American.
If you go back and read some of what I have said, it's pretty much been along the lines of the US has it's positive and negative sides just like any other country. Just face it lemming you don't like the US and that's okay. You once said you were just responding to american arrogance but it goes deeper than that. You say the world doesn't like us. You know I can go back and find writings from the 1800's, europe didn't even like us back then and we weren't even a superpower.
"You're much more of an arrogant Brit than I am an arrogant American."
Don't say that mindy because I don't see you as arrogant,however...
Yes, I know the UK isn't the most popular country, but we're nowhere near as vilified as the US, or France for that matter. (France is probably the most hated by the first world countries.) I didn't say the UK is perfect; I was just saying that most Americans on forums complain when their country is mocked, while not being able to see that it's the arrogance they display that causes it.
No, I don't hate America as such, I hate the attitudes. Yes, you do get alot of coverage in the media, that's not what pisses people off; it's the general "we're better than every other country" thing, coupled with complete ignorance of other countries. No-one can deny it, many Americans claim that they're the best; on almost every forum you'll find a post to that effect. Because many of your population seem oblivious to the world outside them, people get even angrier.
That's what pisses me off.
It's the whole arrogance thing that seems so ubiquitous that's the problem.
But you're right, there is something that goes deeper. When I was younger, a great number of cartoons and shows I watched had episodes that focused on the US revolutionary war. Every single one of them showed the American soldiers to be tough and heroic, while the British soldiers were shown as just crap. They always say how America "kicked our ass", which isn't true at all. One cartoon went far enough to show the British troops simply being scared away, and having the King of England delivering pizza to the President in modern times ffs.
Another cartoon had an episode where the UK won that war, and everything turned into complete shit. Many inventions like the car and telephone (which we invented!) were not invented in this; everyone was in poverty.
The Simpsons has "The Big Book Of British Smiles", where the British are shown to have bad teeth.
Even in films and shows I see now, the same thing seems to be true.
When you grow up with this sort of thing, it really does get to you.
Also, I notice how Americans constantly focus on the revolutionary war (which you only won thanks to the rest of Europe), while completely disregarding the war of 1812, as if it didn't even happen.
And one of the most common things I've heard from Americans on forums like this, for many years now, are that America "saved Britain's ass". Despite America coming into the war late and only because they were attacked, whereas Britain entered the war despite Germany constantly asking us to leave it, AND we won the Battle of Britain ON OUR OWN against massive odds, the common American perception is that everyone did dick-all until they showed up. The Americans are now portrayed as the savior of the world, when in reality the war could have been won without military intervention by America.
I've lived with this for years, we all have. And I hate it. Not America, but things like this.
Anyway, I go on about Britain so much not just because of this, but because it was the main reason I signed up here in the first place. I found an article about Britain here through google, and I talk about here only because of Britain. I talk about other things on other sites.
Oh and I still think we have the best tv in the world, even if we did make Bo Selecta.
Having travelled quite extensively I can say without a doubt that every countries citizens are rather nationalistic and tend to view their country as having better qualities than others. This is not something that is unique to Americans. Some of the most nationalistic people I have met were people from asian countries. It's like I've said before, the US has a very strong impact on the world. I don't think that there is any other country out there that gets put under a microsope the way the US does. If we were a third world country nobody would give a rats ass about us. As far as British bad teeth are concerned, Americans have had far worse things said about them.
what the hell cartoons are you watching lemming? Who disregardes the war of 1812? If I remember correctly it was you Brits who after burning down the white house were chased out of Washington by a tornado. Then were slaughtered in New Orleans.
As for the rest of Europe helping America in the revolution..well that shows perfect British ignorance and arrogance. We Americans leave out the war of 1812? You Brits leave out the fact that you hired 30,000 fucking hessians in the American revoution. You also leave out the fact that the French only arrived at the last battle while your royal navy has supplies being shipped right to your troops. You lost it is as simple as that.
You can say that Europe did not help America directly but having three of the greatest superpowers in the world waging war on the British Empire did have a tremendous effect on the out come of the war.
As for the Hessians, well they were members of the British empire, a good 17,000 of them. The Hessians were also not mercs.
I'd like to add that the Union army in the American civil war made good use of British soldiers. You had huge numbers of hessians (total of 216.000 out of 516.000 German born) and over 50,000 British soldiers in their ranks, with over 1,000,000 (45.4%) of British ancestry, with an extra 300.000 coming from other parts of the Empire.
^ So you are talking about 566.000 out of 2.200.000 being British, just over 25% and with a million of them of British origin.
Yes well you still brought over 30,000 hessians aside from the 30,000 troops that landed in New York after lexington and concord. Something britis do not talk about.
^ But we had huge legistical problems, it took weeks to get supplys from Britain and communication with Britain was almost impossible, reports and orders would have been weeks out of date by the time they reached the officers and soldiers. The fact that we were fighting three other superpowers at the time didn't help the war effort either and there is no doubt that if we weren't fighting them aswell we would simply have crushed you. It was a war that we shouldn't have lost but hey shit happens, you won the war good on ya, you deserved it.
Hey, yet another horribly vote-spammed ballot with no credibility in the results in any way.
I approved that guest comment. Acutally, the results on the ballot are right on target. You can verify all of the information at navy.mil. The guest user is actually pretty much right on target. Present facts to counter otherwise if you feel differently or have evidence to show otherwise.
England, they don't have their own navy! It's the united kingdom (UK) which is classed as SCOTLAND, WALES, ENGLAND AND N.IRELAND! Most of the *UK's* ships are baced in Scotland.
by Guest User on Mon Feb 12, 07 2:20pm
Where in the hell did you get the notion that most of the UK's naval power is based in Scotland?? The majority of our Submarines are based up there yeah but the Surface fleet NO WAY. Im from Portsmouth born and bred but based elsewhere with the Para's British Airborne. My hometown Portsmouth is the hOME of the ROYAL Navy. All our destroyers (currently type 42 but all the new Type 45) a large portion of the type 23 Frigates, the aircraft carriers (including the new 75 and 100,000 ton class Carriers when they come into service), a large portion of our Mine hunter craft, Our offshore patrol vessels such as Leeds castle if they are in the UK are all based down here on the south coast of the UK in Portsmouth.
The other MAJOR Naval Port in the UK is Plymouth where all of the type 22 and a portion of 23 frigates arebased along with HMS Ocean LPH assualt ship and the new HMS Bulwark assault ship if i remember coorectly.
"As for thoes among you that have bad-mouthed America, understand this..."
Fuck off, you illiterate prick.
britain was getting owned by japan before the usa got involved in ww2. if a little weak country like japan can own britain, then its open season. it was also getting wuped by germany.
Voted : U.S.A.
I will admit we are arrogant, i would put money on us being the most arrogant, we are proud of our country which has came so far in so little of time.
We are a young country and i think thats the main reason other countries don't like us. We are the new guy and we are very powerful and we let everyone know it. That would get on my nerves too. Everyone is pretty arrogant about their country. its their country they take pride and like to honor where they are from.
Everyone has their day at the top but it never lasts. Oh and something i have noticed, atleast on youtube. Its not the American who brings up whos better first its a brit.. and then comes the ignorant stfu we are better. America whether you want to admit it or not helps out alot. when we donate money to places or give supplies, its usually the most out of the rest of the countries. Not only that its faster than when goto help ourselves.. You either want our help and deal with some of our arrogance and let us be the police lol or stfu... Theres that arrogance again haha
I hate to say it but the USA has a larger fleet than the entire world all together and double. Add up the world. Double that and you might have the USA fleet size. LOL now UK may have the training but in a war the US would win.