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When I was in Sunday school as a child there was a discussion or two that we had on the subject of abstinence. They told us that it was a sin to have sex outside of marriage. So one time I asked if Jesus was a virgin when he died since he never married. The Sunday school teacher was upset and reprimanded me. When I asked why she was so upset she held me after class and had other members of the congregation gang up on me and try to lay a guilt trip on me after church behind closed doors. Being separated from the flock caused me to be treated like a black sheep and I guess that was my first real taste of Christian hypocrisy. You see the reason she was upset wasn't because I asked her a particularly graphic sexual question and it certainly wasn't because the question was about sex because the whole conversation prior to this was about sex. The reason was blasphemy. Somehow it was blasphemous to ask this question, because it implies that Jesus was one of those dorks that never got any Pu-nanny. It's not that hard to understand if you still hold on to that high school mentality that anyone who isn't getting sex and is male is a dork. But I think this points out a big hypocrisy. The whole reason men feel pressured to have sex is because of peer pressure. If other men will not admit to being a virgin or God forbid that Jesus was a virgin then how are they ever going to change the mentality. Nowadays no one is considered a bigger loser than a thirty-year-old virgin. Was Jesus a virgin when he died? I don't know, but I do know that throughout history the only people that never were married and lived a long enough life were usually either suspected or confirmed to be homosexuals (ex. J. Edgar Hoover and Leonardo da Vinci). But what do you think? Did Jesus die a virgin?

I think he died a virgin
I think he was gay
I think he had sex at some point with a woman.

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Submitted by : RobinGaylord
Submitted on : Jun 27,2004 6:35:41 pm
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Did Jesus die a virgin?

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Honestly, the whole water to wine thing would've seperated a chick or two from their panties at least once.
He's not, and I got the shrouds to prove it, lol.
Jesus was a crack whore, he couldn't get enough, the dirty fucker.
And he built my hotrod.
shame on u allll
the christ is a prohpet from god ...
u cant make fun of him

Jesus was a seeping CUNT! HA! Deal with it! Fuck Jesus Fuck Jesus Fuck Jesus. Do you know why I have no problem saying that????? Cos he doesn't exist.... I wont go to hell..... There is no beardy man reading this in a utopia called heaven.
Of couse Jesus got laid. He was charismatic and had scores of followers. He was probably like a rock star. I imagine all the hot chicks were throwing themselves at him. And I don't say that to be disrespectful - it just stands to reason that he was getting some action. Nothing wrong with that.
He did, like myself and most of the users on this site will.

Yes, even the ones with 'wives' and 'girlfriends'.

The truth is, nobody knows: he may not have been a real person, he may have been a fictitious creation: If he happened to exist, though, there aren't enough details available to determine the truth of the matter: In 'the missing years', he may have married and may or may not have had children: However if he viewed himself some kind of holy man, he may not have ever married.. or had sex..
[But some of these religions seem to make it appear that there is something 'wrong' or 'sinful' or 'bad' about sex.. 'sins of the flesh' and all that.. Wrong..!! Sex is a perfectly normal and wholesome function, it is good, it is healthy, it is a natural biological function, it is simply reproduction of the species..!!
If this Jesus character did or did not have sex, what does it matter.. Even would-be gods ought to experience and enjoy sex, don't you think..!! ((-::

he was getting it alllll the time which means, at least one or two kids..which means somebody out there has his dna which means everybody better just watch their step cause this sucker may be packin' some serious JuJu..if you know what i mean...
I think he had sex with both men and women, as well as members of genders we don't have names for.
He probably wanked like any other teenager, if he existed.

His chances of getting laid must've been pretty high too...

"Hi, I'm the Son of God. I can take you to heaven & back".

Also, the fact that we have a dates and years testifies that Jesus existed. Example: We say 350 B.C. The "B.C." stands for "Before Christ". The whole world uses B.C. Obviously Christ existed.
Nevertheless my friend, Christ couldn't be born "6 years Before Christ" That doesn't make sense. For that to be true, B.C. Would have to mean something other that Before Christ. (which it doesn't)

However, whenever I explore truth, I have to take into account the views of others. So you said it's "most likely" 6 B.C. Has an exact date/year been set? However, I can't help but to think that it doesn't really matter what year Christ was born. Wouldn't any year before that time be "Before Christ"? Help me out neothe1.

Also, despite the last comments, Christ existed regardless of what we believe about him.
So we now know he existed. We also know that he had 12 disciples. Have you heard of the claims and facts about him? History has recorded that he was a preacher and teacher. What did he teach and preach? He also claimed to be God. What is interesting is that Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophesies, performed miracles. History books state that he was crucified and died and then rose from the grave. There were 500 people that were documented as seeing him after the resurrection. This is what seperates him from every other religious person. This is all history. It is also in the bible.
Sure he did. First the bible declares it:

John 1:1 says that the word was God:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So we see the the Word was with God and also was God.

John 1:14 says, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

(The Word=God, the word was made flesh)

Phillipians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

In Revelation 1:17 and 2:8, Jesus declares himself The first and the last.
Rev. 1:17, "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: ‘Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.’"
Rev. 2:8, "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again."

Yet in Isaiah 44:6 and 48:12 God says he's the first and the last.

Isaiah 44:6, "This is what the LORD says -- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

Isaiah 48:12, "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last."

Colossians 1:12-17 says,
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son (Jesus) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers all things were created by him, and for him 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

Jesus Declares himself God.

John 14:9 says, Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 10:22-30
22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
(Jesus says that he gives eternal life, which only God can do)

Understand that Jesus was both a man and God. Jesus was a sinless example of how we are supposed to be, in total obedience to the Father. That is why he said I come to do the will of my father. "He did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, yet he humbled himself and became a servant ..Phillipians 2:5-7"
He also did miracles that only God can do. Walk on water, heal the sick, restore the blind, etc)

If something is vague, I'll try and clarify it for you. The examples are those which you said didn't exist. I'm showing you that they do. If there is a misinterpretation, we can discuss it. Which one do you feel is a misinterpretation?

Why did you say blind faith? What did I type that led you to believe this?

I disagree. He did call himself the Son of God. Other people did too. Take a look at:

Luke 22:69-71
69 Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
70 Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?”
So He said to them, “You rightly say that I am.”
71 And they said, “What further testimony do we need? For we have heard it ourselves from His own mouth.”

Mathew 8:28-30. Demons acknowledge him as the son of God.
When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way. 29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

Matthew 14:32-34 when Jesus calmed the storm.
32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased.
33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”

Matthew 26:62-64. Here he refers to himself as the Son of God and Son of Man.
And the high priest arose and said to Him, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”
64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Matthew 27:43
Here the chief priests tells us that he called himself the son of God:

Likewise the chief priests also, mocking with the scribes and elders, said, 42 “He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him 43 He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”

Matthew 27:54
So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

An angel talking about the birth of Christ in Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Luke 4:41
And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!” And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.

John 1:33-35, John said,
33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God

John 9:35-38 - Jesus said:
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?”
36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?”
37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.”
38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.

John 19:7
The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God.”

There are more scriptures, but I wanted to let you know that he did say he is the Son of God. Know this without a shadow of doubt.

There is no misconception
Now after all those verses that I gave you, it is obvious that you were wrong in saying, he did not claim himself to be the Son of God. He did claim to be the son of God. Remember you said:

"the misconception is about jesus being the son of god, or got, depending on who you ask. he repeatedly DENIED being such. he made a point of being referred to as son of man instead of son of god."

Luke 9:20,21 had nothing to do with your claim.

Nevertheless, let's think.
Now, he told them not to tell anybody. Notice, he is not denying that he is the son of God, he just told them not to tell anybody. You took this verse (without context) and said it is contradictory. He is still the son of god and Jesus never denied that. He just told them not to tell anyone. Your question should be to yourself, why would he tell them that. The answer is in the next verse (verse 22)

You have misinterpreted those scriptures. The issue lies with your understanding of scripture. Look at:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The bible says that the things of God are spiritually discerned. I believe that until you surrender your life to Christ, you can't ever understand fully who Christ is. You said yourself, that the bible is a book of myth.
You have read the bible but don't understand the spiritual aspects of scripture. You have read both uses of "son" and have taken them to mean the same thing.
The word son in those scriptures you gave literally mean son, as in a father and son. Like the fact that they were children of God. The word son when referring to Christ is different. The "son" when referring to jesus refers to his exalted name. The bible names Jesus as "the" son of God (John 3:16). He is the ONLY begotten Son. The "son" refers to Christ in the trinity, i.e. God the Father, God the "Son" and God the Holy Spirit.

ynohtna5 He did exist but not perhaps to the point that the bible states. The bible like all books was written by man. And man is very biased and will often write their opinions or beliefs as fact, as you are doing now, it is no more reliable than the tales of the brothers grim. and there is no "proof" as you say for jesus, the title B.C. could purley be christian invention. Wheather he lived or not of course he got laid, he was a man for god sakes, they can barely keep their hands off of their own dicks so yeah i'd say he got laid.
oh yes and another thing about him being the son of god, could he simply have meant that he was the "son of god" in the way we are all "said" to be? He could have meant no more than that, and it was just taken literally. which is idiotic because the man is a walking metaphor.
oh.. look at that long list of bible quotes!

sooooo impressive!

Well, that proves it all, duzn't it.
I'm packing up and going home.

I like to think that Jesus had balls.

I need to think that, like any any healthy red-blooded male,
he woke most mornings with a decent chubby,
and knew where to 'hide' it.

Enough with the sexless, pure hero crap.
Like most guys, he changed his underwear maybe twice a week, if lucky!
Sheesh, he didn't even wear underwear.

I too claim to be God.
so hear my statement,now!
Listen UP, fools, coz I'm only going to say this once.

"I, Aplmac AM GOD:
-DEAL with it"

Okay, there!
now that I've said it,
that's your proof that I am God.
Deal done.

Jesus God Almighty, the literal crap you assholes believe,
hook, line, sinker, rod and reel!

get f-ing REAL, just for once.
get from between the covers of your OUTDATED bible. and grow up!
get an intellect.

stop thinking other people's thoughts that are FED TO YOU THE GULLIBLE
looking for something to believe in!

You have my sympathy with how the people in the church treated you. I was raised Baptist and converted to Catholicism, so I understand in a way. However, the Bible never states that he had sex, and he definitely was not gay. Being gay is wrong according to the Bible, and he is the Son of God, and really, God in the flesh, so that would be impossible. He was not like everyone else, and I'm highly confident that he died a virgin. That is not because I am brainwashed, either.
aplmac, I know you most likely will refuse to believe it, but the bible is not, and will never be, outdated, for it is the Word of God, not just the biased interpretation of how many ever men wrote it. God is unchanging, including his Word.
Granted, it is said up to 40 different men wrote the dozens of books in the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, but that does not mean they deliberately twisted the meaning of whatever God told them to their own liking. Yes, men had prejudices at the time, but they listened to what He said and then wrote it. Sometimes He came to them in dreams, other times he directly spoke to them with His voice, or He spoke to them through another means, but they did what He commanded.
To aplmac, The_Vampire_Annalora, and all others claiming He "got laid", He was able to resist those desires. Yes, He was human, but He was also God in the flesh, born of the Virgin Mary. He therefore had even higher resolve and ability to resist the temptations than many of use are plagued with as humans. Though we Christians do not always succeed, we strive to be as much like Him as possible.
Also aplmac, the Bible is not a lie, and many of the events that are recorded in the Bible actually happened, including the life of Jesus and the murder of Jesus by the Romans. To follow it does not make you gullible, naive, simple-minded, or whatever. Many people come to it and follow it because it inspires them, it renews them, it shows them how to become "the best version of theirselves" (thanks, Matthew Kelly!). It is not a book designed to control and manipulate you, but help you live the best and fullest life you can. It has helped show me that as well. Don't count it out yet.

Furthermore, I just want to point out this. Leaving Christianity has proven detrimental to me. Before I left Christianity when I was 12, I lived as a rather happy child, and I never felt controlled by it. When I left, its because I thought church and Christianity was boring and I'm tired of being judged by so many people there (which they did, but along with believing there had to be more to Christianity it compelled me to join a new faith several years down the road: Catholicism), etc. I may have questioned the Bible occasionally, but I never lost my belief. After several years of trying to find happiness and satisfaction in the ways of the world, it led me to nothing more than disappointment and longing for more of the same soon after. I was living the secular life of "instant gratification". None of it truly made me happy, and it was never enough. In addition, I realized that after returning to Christianity two months before I turned 19 those several years I spent away from religion were the worst, most miserable years of my life. When I came out of it, I had been clinically diagnosed with depression and was struggling to get out of the self-destructive lifestyle. Now that I have returned and have joined the Church, I now have a wholeness, a sense of meaning, and in all the churches and cathedrals I've been to so far, I have felt welcome and not persecuted. I am also a lot happier. You really should try it.
Is this issue important?
I think he married Mary Magdalene, got it on with her (forgive me for being crude -I'm only human, but feel there's nothing wrong with a committed, caring relationship. They probably had children.
Voted : I think he died a virgin
In my faith, we don't know if he was married or not. I believe if he was married, then he didn't die a virgin but if he didn't, then he did die a virgin.

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