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Submitted by : Mithrandir Submitted on : Jul 31,2006 12:31:46 pm ballot title: Which nation or organization is most responsible for the carnage in Lebanonballot number:98833
The Lebanon government have a small responsibility, as they are pretty much hamstringed by Hezzbollah and Syria, after decades of civil war. When civilians are the victims of war, then many questions need to be asked by those who perpetuate the carnage.
by Steelhamster
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THis is equal-opportunity, to me. Anyone parked on the sidelines while people are dying deserves a share. Hezbollah. Clearly. Voted : Hezbollah When Hezbollah kidnapped the Israeli soldier, did they think Israel would just lay down and play dead? Hezbollah has brought on the destruction and death happening in Lebanon. Voted : Israel Israel has been responsible for more deaths and destruction in Lebanon. Statistics reveal this. Responsible as in? Being responsible for the results of the carnage since Israel has more modern military weapons to cause since destruction. Or as in responsible for starting the situation that lead to all the carnage, then it was Hezbollah. Otherwise it just another blame whoever for whatever reasons you can think of. Hezbollah and Israel have been playing tit for tat games for years. One's as bad as the other in that way, but it was Israel that killed thousands of civilians
by Lovelynice
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^And if Hezbollah and more destructive weapons...how many dead Israeli civilians would there be? First Israel, then America. {^And if Hezbollah .. by Jinn_the_Kafir on Thu Aug 17, 06 3:44pm} What a dumb excuse that one is. It was ISRAEL who killed THOUSANDS of civilians, most of them children. It was ISRAEL which dropped cluster bombs all over southern Lebanon in the last 72 hours when they already knew there was going to be ceasefire - an act which can only be described as MALICIOUS SPITE. It was ISRAEL which used toxic DU ammunition, which is going to leave toxic dust to get blown all over the place poisoning both Israelis and Lebanese (proving how DUMB the Israelis really are). and Israel LOST.
by Lovelynice
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"What a dumb excuse that one is." by Lovelynice on Sat Oct 21, 06 3:26am What was truely dumb was cowardly Hezbollah terrorists crossing into Israel without warning, to ambush, murder and kidnap Israeli soldiers. "It was ISRAEL who killed THOUSANDS of civilians, most of them children." by Lovelynice on Sat Oct 21, 06 3:26am The Allied Forces in WWII killed many thousands of civilans including children too, after the Nazis led by Hitler invaded his neighbors. "It was ISRAEL which dropped cluster bombs all over southern Lebanon in the last 72 hours when they already knew there was going to be ceasefire" by Lovelynice on Sat Oct 21, 06 3:26am It is Islamic terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas that (for 60 years) have ingnored, broken and sabotaged every single Middle East peace agreement by sending Arab-Muslims on suicide/martyr missions in to Israel, to cowardly blow-up buses full of Israeli school children, and evicerate themselves in public market places, restaurants and coffee shops in order to slaughter as many innocent humans as possible. Further more, the Hezbollah coward terrorists had no problem with using cluster bombs themselves during this conflict, nor launching thousands of Katusha rockets packed with thousands of ball-bearings, to land indescriminately (and without warning) into Israeli neighborhoods...in a conflict of which Hezbollah instigated. "It was ISRAEL which used toxic DU ammunition, which is going to leave toxic dust to get blown all over the place poisoning both Israelis and Lebanese (proving how DUMB the Israelis really are)." by Lovelynice on Sat Oct 21, 06 3:26am Was that before or after Hezbollah started this conflict? Killing, war and destruction is wrong for all humans. It is absurd that people decry certain types weapons and not criticise those that initiate and advocate the violence. People should protest the unprovoked attacks terrorists, not the weapons used to fight them. In fact, it is ludicrous that any weapons of war be criticised simply because of the degree of harm they can cause. To say that one weapon is acceptable when others are not acceptable is either irrational misplaced thinking, or they are simply critical comments motivated by more hatred, sour-grapes and spitfulness. So you feel a need to call my "opinion" a dumb excuse??? Fine. Tell me, what is the excuse for intentionally instigating violence and terrorism instead of advocating peace and tolerance? What is the excuse for deliberately causing death and destruction instead of persuing peaceful or constructive negotiation and diplomacy? What is the excuse for teaching your children how to hate, and how to use and carry an AK-47, instead of teaching them peace and love for others? What is the excuse for the Prophet of Islam to teach his followers never to accept friendship with Jews and Christians, nor to ever make treaties with the unbelievers (non-Muslims), and to kill them wherever they find them, instead of teaching respect, tolerance and love for all people? What is the excuse for Muslims to claim their "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance" when they are incapable of leading this by example? Why is killing an infidel glorified by Mulsims and rewarded by Allah? The truth is, Islam is not a doctrine from any God, but an excuse to hate and murder. "and Israel LOST." by Lovelynice on Sat Oct 21, 06 3:26am Everyone loses in war. There are no winners in war. The winners are the one's that persue peace and avoid war and conflict by way of diplomacy. Israel gives, gives, gives but still the Arabs kill, kill, kill. Hezbollah's attack was only another of the perpetual attacks that Israel has endured for decades. Israel's response to Hezbollah was not just about the border incident. It was about the continual non-stop campaign of hate by the terrorists. As far as I'm concerned regarding this war, Israel did the best thing. Their response was strategically brilliant. A strong response was necessary. The message they sent was loud and clear. Why do you think so many Lebanese people want Hezbollah out of their country? Why do you think the Lebanese people want the Hezbollah Party members expelled from the Lebanese government? Anyone who thinks Israel lost this conflict and Hezbollah is somehow the victor better think again. We all know Hezbollah most certainly is. {Everyone loses in war. There are no winners in war. by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} How wonderfully imaginative. I'm sure that's a big consolation to Nazi Germany and Japanese militarists. Did you make up this pathetic nonsense yourself or did it read somewhere while trying to ignore the rest of history, reality, and the world shaped by the victors of wars over thousands of years?
by Lovelynice
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{Israel gives, gives, gives ... by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm. by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} Yes, they give and give and give in MASS MURDER, how many Palestinian civilians have the Israelis killed so far in the past few decades. It must be in the MILLIONS by now, surely. Israel gave Lebanese children hundreds of thousands of CLUSTER BOMBS to blow off their arms and legs with too. They also gave out lots of toxic dust from all the depleted uranium ammunition that they using to kill even more Lebanese civilians with.
by Lovelynice
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{ Israel's response to Hezbollah was not just about the border . by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} You mean when the Israeli soldiers were CAPTURED on the Lebanese side of the border after making that stupid incursion. Yes, we all know who started that one, DESPITE YOUR VOTE-SPAMMING
by Lovelynice
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{Israel did the best thing. Their response was strategically brilliant.. by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} Reeeeeeeeeally? More wonderful imagination then? Israel's military barely got anywhere. How far did they manage to get troops on the ground into Lebanon? Was it any further than most people can walk in a half-hour? Geeeeeeeee, they really got in far didn't they? NOT! How many IDF died in comparision to actual Hezbollah fighters? The IDF only did well in killing kids.
by Lovelynice
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{The message they sent was loud and clear. by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} Yes it was. It said AIRPOWER CAN NEVER WIN A GROUND WAR, and it showed to everyone how useless and over-rated Israeli soldiers are these days.
by Lovelynice
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{Why do you think so many Lebanese people want Hezbollah out of their country.... by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} They did BEFORE the war, but not AFTER HEZBOLLAH DID A BETTER JOB OF FIGHTING OFF THE ISRAELI ATTEMPTED INVASION THAN THE LEBANESE ARMY. Hezbollah did very well out of the whole thing. I hear the Israeli government is looking rather incompetent, with scandals everywhere.
by Lovelynice
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{Anyone who thinks Israel lost this conflict ... by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} is perfectly correct. Most international experts agree that Israel didn't a ridiculous stupid and incompetent job of it, and came out looking like a big pile of poo.
by Lovelynice
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{Anyone who thinks Israel lost this conflict ... by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} is perfectly correct. Most international experts agree that Israel did a ridiculously stupid and incompetent job of it, and came out looking like a big pile of poo..
by Lovelynice
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{We all know Hezbollah most certainly is. by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Oct 21, 06 7:43pm} is the winner, and they're laughing about Israel's over-hyped military power right now.
by Lovelynice
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Lovelynice. Thank you giving your childish comments. Your beliefs about the Middle East are as immature as your silly 9/11 conspiracy theory. Why don't you just save yourself a lot of wasted time and simply say "I hate Jews." Anyone reading your remarks can see it. You deny the Holocaust, claim the Jews were behind 9/11, and you call those that laugh at your ludicrous theories "Zionist Shills", and you decry Israel on virtually Ballot about the Middle East. Just type these words "I HATE JEWS". We all know you do anyway. no, I don't hate jews. But I notice that YOU are most definitely an anti-semite. You hate arabs, you promote your hatred everywhere, and arabs are semites. and as for your comment claiming my comments were childish, well, apparently since you couldn't counter any of them nor answer any of the questions, I guess you must be too childish to do anything more than throw insults. Try harder, Jinn. and your comments about 9/11 are only because that's another area that you can only throw insults about, but don't have any facts. You're a loser, Jinn. Everyone knows it.
by Lovelynice
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Predictable reply. No response necessary. Previous comments proven. Thank you. Yes, you proved my points perfectly. How typically childish.
by Lovelynice
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You also didn't answer a single question, which is also typical of you Jinn. When are you going to back your BS on anything???
by Lovelynice
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If I haven't answered a question of yours it is because it had no value, importance or intellectual basis for interest, but most likely because it was plain nonsense. You claim the US government orchestrated the entire 9/11 attacks, that no Islamic terrorists were involved whatsoever. You cannot prove this silly and ludicrous allegation, never have, and of course you never will. Your only argument has always been simply telling everyone else they are "BS". Nobody has any obligation to prove anything to you, nor answer your inane questions. {If I haven't answered a question of yours it is because ....by Jinn_the_Kafir on Wed Oct 25, 06 9:15am} No, Jinn, your dumb and silly excuses don't work. You simply haven't answered because you CAN'T. You can't back your B U L L S H I T and can only play games with pathetic excuses. Try again, and stop dodging the questions.
by Lovelynice
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LOL! Thank you for supporting the facts. Like I said. If I haven't answered a question of yours it is because it had no value, importance or intellectual basis for interest, but most likely because it was plain nonsense. You claim the US government orchestrated the entire 9/11 attacks, that no Islamic terrorists were involved whatsoever. You cannot prove this silly and ludicrous allegation, never have, and of course you never will. Your only argument has always been simply telling everyone else they are "BS". Nobody has any obligation to prove anything to you, nor answer your inane questions. What's the matter, Jinn? Is it so difficult to answer my questions or is it just as EVERYONE KNOWS, that you "Arabs Did It" loonies can't back your bullshit. Because so far, you haven't. You just make up wimpy childish excuses, and STILL CAN'T ANSWER OR BACK YOUR BULLSHIT. Try again, Jinn.
by Lovelynice
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What, still nothing? Gee, i'm still waiting for the proof Lovey Dovey. Don't see yet. Oh well. In the mean time your temper-tantrum and rage-rant is putting me to sleep.  Have a Lovelynice day. Well, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE, JINN? You haven't backed your garbage with a single fact yet!
by Lovelynice
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Lovey, Lovey, Lovey. I have no obligation or need to prove anything. Besides silly Lovelynice, you do it all for me. Your 9/11 conspiracy is a lie. You prove this every time you post. I already know your ludicrous conspiracy theory exists. I don't deny that. So what do I have to prove to you? Nothing. When you grow up, perhaps you will come to your senses. So carry on with your fake conversation, arguments and temper tantrum if you wish. I understand. Jinn, you little lies and pretense don't work. If you want to make bullshit claims then back your bullshit with somehing to supportit. Blustering on does nothing. You NEVER answered a single one of my questions. You have never cited any scientific study showing that cellphone calls can be successfully made from planes flying six miles up a over 450mph. So, basically you're full of shit. when you pretend those cellphone calls were real - they weren't. You have never cited a single steel-framed HI-RISE building collapsing straightdown into it's footprint without a controlled demolition being the cause. Instead you "Arabs Did It" IDIOTS clam that this miraculous event happened THREE TIMES ON ONE DAY, when it's never happened before or since. You've also never been able to cite any mathematical simulation of the WTC destruction which successfully shows that there was enough energy for gravitational collapse - because there wasn't. In all truth, you just LIE, AND LIE , AND LIE. Bit like the lying Bush Administration that you tty so hard to defend. Bush himself is a LIAR 1# "Saddam would not let the inspectors in." Bush has repeated this claim. It came as quite a surprise to the hundreds of U.N. inspectors that were in Iraq in 2003 and were told by the U.S. to get out or get bombed. Oh yes, they also had full access to the palaces and elsewhere, no holds barred six months before the invasion. 2# Both Bush in his 2003 State of the Union speech and Colin Powell at the United Nations read through a laundry list of horrors that was quantified down to the milliliter. Powell called these charges "facts" that were unassailable. Yet we have still not found a drop. 3# Drones that could attack the USA. True, if they were launched from Padre Island. The truth is that the neighbourhood kids have a more sophisticated remote control airplane than Saddam did. 4# Yellow cake uranium from Niger. The Italian press thought those documents were fake. Let me repeat that: the ITALIAN PRESS thought they were forgeries! 5# “We will be welcomed as liberators”. Those are bullets, roadside bombs and RPGs, not roses. 6# "We have found WMDs in Iraq." Bush and others have made this claim regarding an ever so dangerous weather tracking truck. 7# Bush has consistently claimed that he is against tax increases. Yet, as Governor, his 1997 tax plan would have forced tens of thousands of business to pay franchise taxes that previously did not have to pay. According to the GOP School of Taxes playbook, that's a tax increase, no if ands or buts about it. 8# Throughout the 2000 campaign and through 2001, Bush claimed that his mega tax cut for the mega rich was actually a tax cut for the working folks. In fact, he said "the vast majority" would go to "the bottom." As Al Franken has so ably pointed out, "by far the vast majority" usually means more than 14.7 percent that the bottom 60 percent received. Consider that "fuzzy math." 9# On Meet the Press, Bush claimed that government spending has actually dropped under his tenure. The truth of the matter is that federal spending has exploded under George W., just as spending exploded in Texas while he was governor. 10# Bush reportedly told the Dallas Morning News in 1999 that he was never arrested after 1972. Of course, as we all learned, he was arrested for drunk driving in 1978, with his younger sister and Australian tennis star John Newcombe, in the car. According to NBC News, Bush was also arrested for another DWI in Midland after 1972. So, that’s twice. Shows his personality that he’ll lie about even the little things. 11# During the 2000 presidential debates, Bush claimed he supported the Patient Protection Act. The truth is Bush vetoed the Patient Protection Act in 1995. 12# "I signed the hate crimes bill". This was when he was a governor. Now Bush had won re-election mere months before with nearly 70 of the vote. If he wanted a bill passed, he got it. But, Bush ordered his legislative minions to kill the James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act, less than one year after the most gruesome hate murder of the post-Civil Rights era. The guy who was the leader in killing the bill? State Senator David Sibley (R-Waco), a man who had supported the same legislation just a few years earlier. You might recognize Sibley; he's the guy you see driving Bush's golf cart whenever Bush is back in Crawford playing golf. 13# "I will fight the war on terror." despite numerous reports on the vulnerability of the USA's ports, little has been done to make them more secure from terrorism. Also, despite a serious congressional study, media scrutiny and an on-going non-partisan investigation, little has changed regarding how the USA’s intelligence is gathered and analyzed to avoid making the same mistakes. In fact, little has changed beyond making several bureaucracies into one huge bureaucracy under the banner of the Department of Homeland Security. And, in perhaps the most bizarre example of sleeping at the wheel, the 2004 Bush budget offers NO FUNDING for biothreat detection at Post Offices. This after the White House said they foiled a mail attack to the White House and days before Ricin was mailed to Senator Bill Frist's office.
by Lovelynice
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