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by Truthseeker013 on Fri May 19, 06 12:44pm
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yes. With exception of neutering, all mutilation of animals is.
by shark_bite on Fri May 19, 06 1:29pm
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omg those are so cute! Why the hell do people all have to cut them off? I didn't know they did that.
by Red_Kitty07 on Fri May 19, 06 5:55pm
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The orgins of the practice date back hundreds of years ago in an effort to prevent infection due to tears in the ears. Back then it was easier to crop ears when the dogs were a few days old than to crop ears of a full sized dog with no pain killers or antiseptic. Same reasons for tail and dew claw docking. It's usually practiced today for purely cosmetic purposes, however it does reduce the chances of ear infection by allowing air circulation in the ear, preventing moisture from building up.
by Grumpy_Person on Fri May 19, 06 7:02pm
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so, crop the ears of cocker spaniels, et c???
by shark_bite on Sat May 20, 06 10:37am
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Apparently, the Doberman as a breed has, over the years been associated with a certain "appearance." We do this with a lot of other things, not just dogs. Human beings have placed a "value" or "expectation" on the way someone or something is "supposed to" look; regardless of whether or not that look is acheived naturally.
by contragrain on Sun May 21, 06 5:56am
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And, I'm going to write a new ballot about that human dynamic.
by contragrain on Sun May 21, 06 5:57am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. A Doberman is not a Doberman without his/her ears cropped.
by Guest User from [24.175.228.153] on Thu Sep 27, 07 7:13pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. the doberman was breed for a protection animal. The ear is a vulnerable place for other animals or humans to grab and cause injury. also An erect ear gives the dog a finer accuity for location of sound. Both aspects help the dog to be better at what he was breed for-which is geneticly ingrained in the dogs make-up. Puppy's indure little discomfort and most dont even care. also if you think about it, wild dogs have errect ears, domestication has caused the ears to fall...Maybe there is a reason for erect ears, and domestication is actualy the culprit.
by Guest User from [72.1.111.115] on Mon Oct 01, 07 5:08pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Everybodies opinion diffrent , for me the way their beauty shows when ear cropped tail docked. Many will say oh you are cruel !which is nonsense i ama dog lover i care them like my own kids , it is same like we do tatoo piercing or permanent make up all these are very painful even we do no local anestesic!! BUT for what? to look more beautiful or attractive?yes we do and many admire the look we achive ... ofcourse this only could be done under professionals hand yes then not cruel, but now new law people do more illegally for to say we have cropped docked puppies for sale and ask for more money so isn't this more dangerous???many can risk the animals health and they can hide how done as some import or the dog is old stories wise... This is my opinion and i know many breeders doberman lovers share same they are cute with natural ears though , but cropp is not cruel!!!
by Guest User from [89.240.37.166] on Fri Oct 19, 07 9:29am
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. It causes the animal a lot of pain. I don't think that it's fair to subject an innocent animal to a human ideal of "vicious guard dog." They are beautiful, loving animals that deserve our protection as much as we deserve theirs.
by Guest User from [74.136.154.217] on Sat Oct 20, 07 8:12am
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It isn't common place in the UK as, thank goodness, it is banned in this country.
by Guest User from [90.193.199.116] on Thu Nov 01, 07 2:50pm
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let me explain i'm from holland the reason they did thath is they where hunting dogs and they where for small and medium wild if the wild (like wild pigs).when they retreve the pray it can be alive and bite in the ears becose they are easy to grab in europe it is not alouwd anny more unles you have a hunter pasport
by Guest User from [82.176.234.90] on Sat Nov 10, 07 8:50am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Cropping is done while the pup is under anesthesia (sp?) and the aftercare if not painful. I've seen pups come to after cropping and want to play within 5 mminutes. Our cropped ears are a very important part of our breed. Cropping and docking are vital to the maintenance of our standard.
by Guest User from [67.168.122.136] on Sun Nov 11, 07 12:52pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. I think cropping is not cruel. It was done, in the past, because it's a protection dog, and ears and tails could be used to keep the dog away. Also, it help the dog hear because they are like little satellites, if you cover a satellite, it isn't as effective. The ears could be ripped by intruders making the dog flee. Also, the tail can be used as a handle and broken. Guess how that would feel. People remove dew claws because they can get caught on something and be ripped out. Ouch. But I don't object to natural Dobermans, I just like them cropped and docked.
by Guest User from [72.179.28.209] on Mon Nov 12, 07 10:51am
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. Don't do it to your dog if you would'nt do it to yourself....
by Guest User from [82.109.66.144] on Mon Nov 19, 07 12:00am
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i think dobes look so much better with theyre ears floppy, it just looks so much more cute and family friendly....
by Guest User from [194.66.191.22] on Tue Nov 20, 07 7:38am
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I want a mean looking dog...so i'd have it cropped, were buying one someday soon. 
by socal_sweetie on Thu Nov 29, 07 2:55pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. It is a couple pieces of skin cut off the ear, and it allows better hearing. It's no different than a man's parents circumcising him.
by Guest User from [76.115.46.88] on Sun Dec 02, 07 2:27pm
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It is equivalent to men being circumcized at birth. It is for hygenic reasons and even if it does hurt, it is very short and we cannot remember it.
by Guest User from [71.50.23.186] on Wed Dec 19, 07 7:25pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. it is painless to the dog and it retains its traditional eagle look
by Guest User from [99.227.2.104] on Fri Dec 21, 07 3:06pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. i have a doberman which has flappy ears but no tail and it doesnt seem to bother her at all, i'm used to seeing them like that i guess but with cropped ears they look to macho and armyish for me, besides is traditional for them to have docked tails.
by Guest User from [82.28.19.197] on Thu Dec 27, 07 8:20am
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Voted : Other apparently it's done so that they can hear better. they are traditionally guard dogs.
by Guest User from [69.76.47.203] on Sun Dec 30, 07 9:06pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. it enhances thier hearing. eg rabbits.....
by Guest User from [76.169.208.220] on Mon Jan 07, 08 8:39pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. It is tradition of the breed since its first development by Herr Doberman in Germany. There was purpose to the crop as the dog was used as protection in tax collection. This prevented the people from grabbing and pulling the ears while the dog was attacking. Ear cropping is done under the same humane conditions as any other surgical procedure. Yes, they will be sore for a week the ears quickly heal and cause no discomfort. Yes, current times deem it strictly cosmetic. I see it as a part of the breed, it is part of what a doberman pinscher is, and what they are meant to be.
by Guest User from [24.119.247.149] on Sat Jan 12, 08 9:10am
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no it is not cruel at all people should not get dobbies if they are not going to crop their ears (people get plastic surgury) ( PEOPLE CIRCUMSIZE their sons!!)
by Guest User from [67.180.167.197] on Sat Jan 19, 08 8:21pm
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if they dont remember it ever happening how can it be cruel? is it cruel to pierce a one year old girls ears? think about it
by Guest User from [82.14.205.208] on Mon Jan 28, 08 12:57pm
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i have a doberman called tia she doesnt have her ears or tail cropped
by Guest User from [78.144.128.43] on Sat Feb 02, 08 5:54am
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I have just rescued a Female Doberman and was lucky that at her age of 4 her ears were never cut off, but her tail was... She is one of the most intelligent dogs ive ever owned and imagine i have a charity for dogs!!!! Dont cut the ears and in time there look will catch on and become accepted again...
by Guest User from [194.219.254.55] on Sun Feb 03, 08 8:53am
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thats what seperates the breed from others and gives character and individual features to the animal, they look like large weiner dogs if not cropped.
by Guest User from [167.73.110.249] on Tue Feb 19, 08 11:57am
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it is defenately NOT cruel, it looks good and it is just like plastic surgery, or circumcision, and it is only painful for a week. I guess you are agianst docking the tails too. have you ever seen a broken tail it is horrible.
by Guest User from [12.156.103.205] on Sat Feb 23, 08 9:32am
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HOW SAD
by Guest User from [207.200.116.10] on Mon Mar 03, 08 5:52pm
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I dont really understand the point of cropping. Even for show dogs. It must be painful and has no no true use. When dobermans were first bred in Germany,they were not cropped. Americans started that. It is illegal in some places and has given dobs a bad reputation of being vicious. Mean dogs are not born,just created.
by Guest User from [74.182.24.57] on Wed Mar 05, 08 6:20pm
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They do not suffer. They become operated but are indeed anaesthetized
by Guest User from [90.39.250.30] on Sun Mar 09, 08 7:54am
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This is exactly how there were introduced into the world. Dobies were always recognized for their demeanor and very stern look with the ears crop. Same thing as having plastic surgery. My girlfriend wasn't happy with her nose and understood the consequences and took a risk, and the outcome of the surgery, beautiful.
by Guest User from [64.83.37.129] on Thu Mar 13, 08 2:31am
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it isnt cruel if there young but if there older it is cruel
by Guest User from [75.163.81.225] on Mon Mar 17, 08 12:27pm
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. Its just plain cruel...
by Guest User from [80.168.232.184] on Wed Mar 19, 08 3:06am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. ITS NOT CRUEL THEY MUST BE CROPPED FOR THE ELEGANT LOOK ,,THEY TOTALLY LOOK BETTER AND HEAR BETTER . THIER EARS AND TAILS SHOULD BE CROPPED AT AN EARLY AGE (FIRST 3 MONTHS )AFTER THAT THIER MAGNIFICENSE IS SPECTACULAR
by Guest User from [70.44.10.233] on Mon Mar 24, 08 10:10am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. ƒu¢k 'em. The didn't find it cruel when they cropped some parts of me. 
by _Beelzebubba on Wed Mar 26, 08 9:09am
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. now they look cute. it's cruelty, no wonder some of them go psycho, early childhood trauma. Voted : Other I believe that cropping dobies ears makes them look tough, but there is no need. Also, Dobies look super cute with floppy ears, I guess it's just the look that you are looking for.
by Guest User from [24.118.232.78] on Sun Mar 30, 08 6:39am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. decrease in ear infections, and it makes there mood more obvious
by Guest User from [24.149.149.247] on Wed Apr 02, 08 6:13pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. It helps keep their heavy, long floppy ears from getting constant and cronic infections. It's not for the look, in my opinion, but for health.
by Guest User from [68.103.1.127] on Wed Apr 02, 08 7:23pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Dobermans get their ears cropped to be better equiped to "lock in" on quiet noises, hunting or home protection. Aestetically it looks more pleasing to me then seing its ears down, down a doberman looks to similar to a vizsla
by Guest User from [70.89.49.205] on Thu Apr 03, 08 1:23pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Next topic,is circumcision cruel?
by Guest User from [70.173.224.156] on Thu Apr 03, 08 5:11pm
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Voted : Other It's a personal choice, we could go on forever arguing what is right and what is wrong in this lifetime. I circumcised my son, which is cosmetic purposes only, and I am a Nurse who knows that... does that make it inhumane? Everyone does things for their personal choices, your choice for your reason is different then mine for my reason.. yes I own a dog(dobie) and yes his ears are cropped... :)
by Guest User from [74.76.191.251] on Sat Apr 05, 08 7:49am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. It's NOT cruel, because look at humans ... we still circumsize our little boys when they're born, what's the difference?
by Guest User from [72.224.247.49] on Mon Apr 07, 08 4:50pm
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My Doberman hasn't had her ears "cropped" and she looks perfect. It dosn't look painful for them to be cropped though - once old enough they are cropped and i guess the ears just grow upwards then
by Guest User from [82.20.2.58] on Tue Apr 08, 08 9:24am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Their cartilage hasn't grown yet..they don't feel it.
by Guest User from [24.4.21.200] on Tue Apr 08, 08 2:15pm
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No more cruel than bobbing their tail or nutering or spaying them or humans getting circumsized, hair transplants, breast implants, fat reduction surgery, lasik, ears pierced, tatoos to name a few. There are many things cruel but surgically trimming their ears while they are under is not one of them. Apparantly you have never lived on a farm or ventured into any type of meat packaging plant, traveled to a country whereas the kids are starving and thirsty. Apparantly you are not aware of much of anything especially the meaing of cruel!
by Guest User from [70.124.85.50] on Tue Apr 08, 08 3:49pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Its not cruel to crop a doberman if it would be done by an expert (a vet or a doberman breeder fancier). I've seen it first hand and it really doesn't seem to be cruel. Anesthesia and other surgical ewuiptments are used. No discomfort is shown from the dobe. After the surgery, if its well taken cared off, everything will be fine for the doberman.
by Guest User from [203.167.121.141] on Fri Apr 11, 08 4:42am
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It's cruel, and illegal in most countries throughout Europe
by Guest User from [91.125.162.241] on Thu Apr 17, 08 1:09pm
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. my dobbie NEVER had its tail or ears cropped. The only harm that came of it was her ability to clear a coffee table with a single wag of the tail.
by Guest User from [74.166.110.20] on Sun Apr 20, 08 6:01pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. at least i think because they were breed for there ears to be cropped and anywhere they look like beagles when they are not cropped
by Guest User from [65.189.230.192] on Tue Apr 22, 08 12:43pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. I'm sure the dogs are either put to sleep or given pain meds when it's done
by Guest User from [208.101.116.243] on Fri Apr 25, 08 7:35am
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. there dogs
by Guest User from [68.4.21.52] on Sat Apr 26, 08 10:32am
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Voted : Other i think it makes them look more like there own kind.... but i guss its up to you if you would want to crop your dogs ears or not and if its crul or not.
by Guest User from [24.14.157.75] on Sun Apr 27, 08 10:39am
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Voted : Other it isn't really cruel, but they look better without them cropped. in england, it has just been made illegal to crop their tails. and quite frankly, thats ridiculous. my dog's tail was done at about 3 weeks old, before the ban, and he looks brilliant. i wanted another dobe, but they look silly with tails!
by Guest User from [86.135.115.79] on Sun Apr 27, 08 10:43am
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In our day and age it is totally unnecessary done soley because of some stupid breed regulation and human's idiocy.
by Guest User from [124.171.17.231] on Sun Apr 27, 08 5:56pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. Cropping the ears and docking the tail sever a purpose. When these dogs were used as hunting dogs and as gaurd dogs, a shoter tail and shorter erect ears were less likely to get caught on brush or shrubbery and it meant that there were less vulnerable body parts that a predator/intruder could grab ahold of. These extremeties are highly vascular and it torn, which could easily happen because the tissue is thin, it would cause severe bleeding. Nowadays it also serves another purpose. In a time when crime rates are at one of their highest dog owners can have a dog that looks highly aggressive, but in all actuality may be the sweetest dog ever. But looks can be very deceiving and just seeing a dog that looks potentially aggressive may stop intruders from entering a premises.
by Guest User from [75.37.65.80] on Wed Apr 30, 08 5:05pm
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i have a doberman. we never cropped her ears and she is the most cutest dog on the block.
by Guest User from [127.0.0.1] on Fri May 02, 08 12:06pm
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THESE PUPPIES ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUTE
by Guest User from [72.22.148.45] on Sun May 04, 08 7:35am
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. I had a dobie when I was little with the natural ear and it made him look so sweet. They crop the ears so that they can have better hearing (as guard or police dogs) but I think we should just leave them they way they come out, no cropping and no docking (tails)
by Guest User from [130.13.233.191] on Sun May 04, 08 2:15pm
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although it may make them look"cool" and lessen the chances of gettin ear infections it also hurts them and i dnt think any kind of animal should have to go through unnecessary pain.
by Guest User from [124.186.126.176] on Thu May 08, 08 6:41pm
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Voted : No it's not cruel, let me explain why below. cropping allows the doberman to live up to his attentive and acute listening capabilities
by Guest User from [24.125.17.90] on Sat May 10, 08 6:24am
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yes it is cruel ,if they didn't need a tail they would be born without one. its a human who does this to them
by Guest User from [81.141.17.150] on Sat May 10, 08 9:56am
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yes its cruel, that is a human for you again,if the ears were meant to be upright they would be born like that, all my dobermans have floppy ears. let them be normal.
by Guest User from [81.141.17.150] on Sat May 10, 08 9:59am
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Voted : Other I personally don't crop my dogs' ears. I love dobermans with their floppy ears, and it puts people at ease. Those ears make people anxious because they make the dog look vicious. If you crop for hygiene, I understand it some. These are working dogs in my area, a lot of time get dirt and water trapped behind the floppy ears, so they're cropped to keep cleaning easy. Whatever your reasoning for it, people will do it. Just make sure you promote the use of veterinary cropping, rather than home methods.
by Guest User from [74.61.111.169] on Wed May 14, 08 3:42am
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. I think Dobermans are cute just the way they are. Why change these adorable dogs into something we want?
by Guest User from [71.228.188.199] on Wed May 14, 08 12:27pm
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. that would be sooo painful. i would never crop my pets ears. period.
by Guest User from [74.215.204.1] on Thu May 15, 08 10:52am
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Voted : Yes it's cruel. I think floppy ears are cute. i think ear cropping is cruel its not natural if it was natural they would be born like it they look gorgous with floppy ears i have a doberman and her ears
by diamonddoberman on Tue Feb 17, 09 4:45am
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Grumpy_Person Lol... hundreds of years. Dobermans only started to exist in the end of 19th century. Also ear cropping doesn't prevent any infection. In a lot of countries it's illegal to crop dogs' ears and dock their tails and dews.
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