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Yes, I think so. By hiding and working behind such civilian areas, they know that an Israeli reprisal would be all the more difficult. So in other words it seems as if they are intentionally using Lebanese civilians as human shields. However, it is not just Hezbollah. Many Islamist militants use such tactics. The Islamists hide behind a complex network of civilian institutions, and operate and work in civilian areas. They do this both for legitimacy with those civilians and to make reprisal from their opponents more difficult. They are disgusting little creatures. Voted : Yes Absolutely. How else are they going to defend themselves against a much larger, unified, and more powerful military force? Voted : Yes Like the cowards that they are. And when there are no civilians for sheilds, and Israeli ground forces get too near, the Hezbollah cowards flee like cockroaches in the light. Reports reveal that captured Hezbollah cry like babies in captivity. Not so tough and brave are they? Voted : Yes I hate to say it but yes and the intentionally target civilians. ^ Applerod- but there is wide condemnation of Israel in the media, and there isn't any toward Hezbollah for pretty much using civillians as shields? I think that is bias. Voted : Yes Im not sure which media you are watching, but both sides are roundly condemned in the British press. Hezbollah of course camp within civilian areas, as to do anything else would leave them vunerable. The Vietnamese did much the same during their conflict, with a lot of success. The question I would like to ask, is: Is Israel culpable for anything? Or is it innocent in their treatment of the Lebanese civilians?
by Steelhamster
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Steelhamster- "Im not sure which media you are watching, but both sides are roundly condemned in the British press." - Well BBC and CNN for example. Watching both, I have not seen anyone claim that Hezbollah intentionally hides and operates behind civillians. "The question I would like to ask, is: Is Israel culpable for anything? Or is it innocent in their treatment of the Lebanese civilians?" - Irrelevant to the ballot question. Even if they do, that doesn't justify Israel engaging in war crimes. Voted : Yes Uhm, cranky what "war crimes" are those? Attacking Qana where demonstrated proof of Hezbollah rocket launches exist? Or Israel's pre-announcing of an attack so that civilians can leave? I always notice how you viciously attack Israel and never once criticize with the same intensity a ruthless terrorist group that has also MURDERED Americans in cold blood. Why don't you at least be honest like steelhamster and admit you despise Israel (although I am sure there is more here) and that you want it to not exist. Of course Hezbollah hides behind civilians. Then when civilians are killed they parade them out to dupes of the western media who report only on the casualty instead of why Hezbollah hid weapons where that person lived or why they wouldn't let them leave. Voted : Yes Yes. Hezbollah is clearly violating the Geneva Convention Accords regarding the rules of war. ^What difference does that make? The U.S. (thanks to Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld) has essentially rejected the Geneva Convention as "quaint" and "outdated." If the U.S. isn't going to abide by the Geneva Convention, why should anyone else? Voted : Yes Of course! Reprehensible? Yes. But they appear to have adopted this tactic in the face of asymetric military power. We should have anticipated something along these lines. We amass superior military power and then are surprised when opponents cease to play by established rules ... hubris, they name is chickenhawk. "Uhm, cranky what "war crimes" are those?" Oh, not much. Destroying an apartment building full of children in Qana. Destroying 3 airports, a lighthouse, roads, 60 bridges, trucks filled with produce, strafing civilians as they attempt to flee north, etc. "Or Israel's pre-announcing of an attack so that civilians can leave?" Which made it easy to know where the traffic would be so they could arbitrarily target vehicles going north. "I always notice how you viciously attack Israel and never once criticize with the same intensity a ruthless terrorist group" To some, even the slightest hint of a criticism of Israel is a "vicious attack." How dare anyone suggest that the Jews aren't the infallible, sinless, chosen people of God. "that has also MURDERED Americans in cold blood." Actually, since it was a WAR on terror, those Americans were there to FIGHT the WAR. If those Americans were murdered, then Israel must be murdering the Hezbollah fighters. "Why don't you at least be honest like steelhamster and admit you despise Israel" I don't despise Israel, I'm just appalled at the apologists for Israel who work from the concept that Israel can do no wrong, and that no matter what they do, we shouldn't ever, ever, criticize. That ANY action, regardless of how repugnant, that an Israeli undertakes, is above reproach. "(although I am sure there is more here)" No, I'm not an anti-Semite, either. "and that you want it to not exist." No, I don't want Israel to stop existing. However, I don't feel the need to suck up to anything related to Israel, either.
Of course, like all heroic freedom fighters. Let american or Israeli troops try hiding among arab women and children to discourage attack and see if that tactic meets the same level of acceptance that it does now. Of course that wouldn't work, the possibility of killing civilians would never dissuade our enemies from action, hell they'd probably feel a little sheepish if they only killed legitimate military targets and not civilians. Hmm, so they know we are discouraged from attacking if civilians will be killed (not necessarily stopped, but we factor it in), and we know that they wouldn't be. Kind of puts things in perspective doesn't it? Let neo-cons hide behind civilians, soldiers who are fighting the wars they neo-cons promote, and anonymity on the internet, and see if that gets the same level of acceptance. Oh, wait! It does. Neo-cons are considered courageous American heroes. Or, at least, that's what they consider themselves.
Voted : Yes Yes, it seems so. Voted : Yes Ofcourse they know that as soon as Israel accidentally kills innocent civilians the liberal media is going to denounce Israel. Voted : Yes Hezbollah does it. Hamas does it. Iraqis do it. Israelis do it. The media will never denounce anything Israel does if they know what's good for them.
by _Beelzebubba
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Excuse me Beelze have you been watching the news lately?Israel can't catch a break from the anchors and commentators. They're getting off light. The IDF has never been compared with a terrorist group.
by _Beelzebubba
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On Monday Jan Egeland, UN humanitarian chief, accused Hezbollah of cowardly blending in among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross border violence with Israel. He spoke to reporters at Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after visiting Lebanon to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday, he toured the rubble of Beiruts southern suburbs, a once teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters. He had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel, captured two soldiers and killed eight others on July 12, triggering fierce fighting. "Consistantly, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending among women and children. I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I dont think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men" Just as they knew capturing Israeli soldiers would get a military response. They knew that hiding among civilians would get civilians killed. I guess they're ok with it.
by ClosetIguana
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^And I guess Israel is okay with killing innocent civilians. Of course they do. Arabs can't fight. Unless it is killing homosexuals and fighting/oppressing their wimmins. cranky I can admit Israel is ok with it. Problem is, can you admit Hezzbola are ok with it?
by ClosetIguana
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No wonder Ireland is such a shithole filled up with drunk terrorist papists. by Noblese_Oblige to Ken_from_Dublin on July 31, 2006 6:48pm Now can anyone take this asshole's opinion seriously when he can spout vile racist hatred like that??? User abusers like him give good Americans everywhere a bad name. cranky- I frequently criticise Israel.
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