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it would be trivial to check if it aired or not. www.state.nj.us /lps/ca/press/storage.htm press release by state of New Jersey, on their official site, about closing the Mossad Front organization that those 5 belonged to. Owner fled the country to Israel. link to ABC news brings a 404 error. Page is removed. strange. Voted : No, it actually happened! Here is the URL : abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1 A very insightful piece LCD, and Who Googled for verity? Oh yeah, Herzog and FFLSD. Try using your head instead of gOOgle.
by passiveson
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thanks you passiveon! lots of aura for doing the research. Voted : No, it actually happened! why would someone label another person a nazis or anti semite for that? that's just wrong. there are some people who will immediately label you an anti semite if you post anything remotely critical of israel. big mistake. people are tired of that. people are waking up. on the flip side, it's not cool for some people on here to call a certain user a racist, just because he posts news worthy articles that may paint muslims in a bad light. but if someone called you a nazis or anti semite for that ballot, that's not cool at all. Agreed. I wouldn't call Jay Leno a racist, if he made a joke about illegal immigrant once in a while, because they tend to make fun of anything and everything under the sun. I don't know what to call someone that would ONLY make jokes about illegal immigrant/ homosexuals/ arabs or whatever 1 group that they focus on. They make it their one and only calling to belittle that group only, for the sole purpose of boosting what they see is their opposition. they do it day after day. You can find that type of obsession in many websites across the net, namely Nazi/anti-semite/rush Limbaugh type of sites. if you have a better word for that, I would like to know. I will use that word from now on. A term I think that qualifies for people who single out a group for bashing is BIGOT
by passiveson
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Its a non-story. I am well aware its posted on ABC news as well as an Israeli newspaper site. wow, how does an "anti-semitic conspiracy" when proven to be a fact, morphs into a "non-story"? I guess If I post it, it's an anti-semitic conspiracy. I guess if you can't debunk it, and someone posts URL to a reliable source, all of a sudden it's a "non-story". You are amazing. Voted : No, it actually happened! LCD, you are THE MAN! Nice work. What is very devious about the way the ballot is set out is that it asserts that it was either A) Completely true or B) Completely false. In reality, I would say your rhetoric on that ballot was a partial truth. Yes, I will believe you now that you have sourced ABC, that they were indeed Israeli. However, your rhetoric that they were Israeli intelligence spies and had prior knowledge of 9/11, and were plotting to provoke the US into war, are defintiely not argued as fact in your ABC source. It is cunning and sly that you would now pass off a proven partial truth as absolute truth considering the ballot options you have placed. Kev- "why would someone label another person a nazis or anti semite for that? that's just wrong." - What actually happened was that LCD's orignial source was criticised for being unreliably biased on the issue, as it is anti-semetic. LCD hismelf was not called a Nazi or an anti-semite, but rather it was the source he provided initially, which was indeed anti-semetic. I just thought I should clear up the misleading impressions you have been given. I hate to indroduce a modicum of truth to this ballot but here goes. No one every accused LCD of anti-semitism. He is trying to play the victim here and doing a poor job. However I did point out that he qouted from a site that was clearly anti-semitic. The site he copied and paste from also made claims that the jews were responsible for: both world wars, the holocaust, kristalnacht, 911 and the authors own incarceration. After some debate LCD even managed to admit, barely, that perhaps his source was an anti-semite. But then he repented and is banning any comment where I or anyone else mentioned the site he quoted from. Also on the three main contested claims he made: 1) the men involved were Israeli intelligence agents. 2) they had prior knowledge of 911. 3) this was part of a false flag operation by Israel to provoke the US in to war. To which I took issue he has blatanly failed to provide any evidence, other than those coming from his obviously anti-semitic website, and yes, go to it, and you'll see what it is very quickly. Obviously I can't mention the site LCD used (pretty hypocritical of him) so go to the ballot that set this all off, copy the first paragraph of his article and do a google search of it like I did and this guys site will come up. Kev- "why would someone label another person a nazis or anti semite for that? that's just wrong." - What actually happened was that LCD's orignial source was criticised for being unreliably biased on the issue, as it is anti-semetic. LCD hismelf was not called a Nazi or an anti-semite, but rather it was the source he provided initially, which was indeed anti-semetic. I just thought I should clear up the misleading impressions you have been given. by Socrates on Thu Mar 01, 07 9:54pm ^ please don't speak for others. i don't need you to clarify for me. Oh, and to clarify I did ask LCD if he wanted to be associated with the man he was quoting, and if not I recommended he state so at that time, which to me seems perfectly fair. Had I come up with some fanciful story from a neo-nazi site quoting some deranged skin-head who blamed all the worlds problems on the blacks I doubt LCD and other would have given me the oppurtunity to distance myself from him and apologize before coming to any conclusions, they simply would have jumped in immediately with "RACIST!!!!!!!!!". I have not treated LCD the way he would have treated me for doing essentially the same thing. Kev: socrates was just clearly up what appeared to be another attempt by LCD to mislead us. The story he has presented does not relate to the facts. Anyone can read them if they care to sift through several novels of comments on the ballot that spawned all this. And I'd also like to note now that I never rated LCD down for his comments, no matter how vile or irrational I found them. Kev- "please don't speak for others. i don't need you to clarify for me." - Okay, I'll remember that. LCD seems to have excused himself from the conversation. Probably for the best, he was getting desperate and lashing out, even rating me down and threatening me with even worse punishments (banishment). I think he needs a moment away to calm himself. Had I come up with some fanciful story from a neo-nazi site quoting some deranged skin-head who blamed all the worlds problems on the blacks I doubt LCD and other would have given me the oppurtunity to distance myself from him and apologize before coming to any conclusions, they simply would have jumped in immediately with "RACIST!!!!!!!!!". I have not treated LCD the way he would have treated me for doing essentially the same thing. by herzog on Thu Mar 01, 07 10:24pm ^ you're right. i've seen countless users do that to you. it's not right. i've watched with disgust as some users attack you personally non-stop when all you're doing it posting a legitimate ballot worthy of debate. there is a double standard. ^ you flatter yourself. I got a life, outside BW, believe it or not. You will get a nice big response, both on all your ballots and on your user page. Just wait until I compile it all. Your days of promoting bigotry on BW is now over. sorry, that was for Herzog. not kev. With all due respect, there is no double standard. Herzog is a virulent racist, bigot, and amoral hypocrite. While the exercising of his personality disorder is remarkable to watch, it doesn't change the basic facts underlying his loathsome bigoted proselytizing. ^ that's outrageous. that comment is totally unacceptable. how dare you make such a personal attack. it's crap like that comment that should be censored. you've got alot of nerve cranky. hmmm, let me try it. read the site today cranks -- i'm going to do to you what you do to herzog. let's try -- With all due respect, there is no double standard. cranky is a virulent racist, bigot, and amoral hypocrite. While the exercising of his personality disorder is remarkable to watch, it doesn't change the basic facts underlying his loathsome bigoted proselytizing. And I just realized what all the fuss was over. LCD is falsely claiming that I totally denied the particulars of his story when in reality I have been denying the conspiracy (which he has yet to prove). Go back to the initial ballot, anyone (LCD this includes you), and find where I said the individual names in your story never existed. I actually said they probably did exist. I then when on to deny the conspiracy theory you and your friend have drawn up around such flimsy evidence. Prove where I denied these men existed. Then go on and prove your conspiracy. I was wondering how anyone could possibly disagree with me when your own proof was so obviously against you. It seems you subtly changed the wording discussion and created a strawman argument hoping I wouldn't notice. Sneaky, very foxnewsish of you LCD, but I did catch you. So some things to consider: 1) I never denied the particulars of your story, proving someone with a certain name exists is therefore irrelevent. 2) you have made a ridiculous conspiracy theory revolving around these men, I have challeneged you to provide support for said theory and the best you could do is a story which refutes your own theory. 3) you had to resort to using anti-semitic websites (which you even agreed were anti-semitic, finally) to "prove" your conspiracy theory. Then you removed all comments where I pointed out exactly where you were getting your info. Not looking good for you LCD. Perhaps you should stick to simply calling me a racist, rating down my comments, and avoid trying to prove anything in the future. Anyway, I have to get back to work, so I'll give you a proper dressing down when I get home in the evening. ^I'll bet her-zog enjoys giving boys a "proper dressing down." Please, sir, may I have another? Voted : No, it actually happened! I can't believe Disney didn't yank that story. I guess once in a while one will slip through. Keep telling the truth and you can expect a little visit from Foxman and his goons. 
by _Beelzebubba
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Ok, to sum up the situation for anyone who hasn't been following; 1) LCD makes a claim that Israeli agents were in the US prior to 911, had prior knowledge of the event, and were instrumental in planning this "false flag" operation. 2) I point out that his source, from which he quoted word for word, is an anti-semite named chris bollyn, who also blames the jews for the holocaust, both world wars, kirstalnacht and his own incarceration for striking a police officer. 3) LCD removes that comment and claims that because some of the names mentioned in his conspiracy theory may actually be real the whole thing must be real. He also states that he has plenty of proof for this conspiracy from real sources. 4) I state that I don't care if the names may or may not be accurate that does not prove his theory correct and that he has no real sources to back that up, and if he did could he please provide them? 5) belatedly LCD offers ABCnews as an example (look at the banner at the top of the screen), which concludes that A) there is no proof they were Israeli agents, B) there is no proof they had prior knowledge of 911 and C) there is no proof they had any hand in planning the attack, neatly contradicting every one of his claims that I took issue with. LCD claims that this somehow supports his story because it was reported on, even though it was thoroughly denounced, and the names he mentioned were real. 6) I mention that this still does not prove his conspiracy, which is what the entire argument was about anyway, and that presenting this is a strawman argument against something I never said. IN response he accuses me of promoting a hate site for mentioning where he got his information, stating that exact internet addresses are not to be posted, all the while posting the abcnews website address on every ballot several times, and then threatening to ban me if I mention where he got his 'proof' from again. ^^ or for the truth, go read it for yourself at : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1 LCD: back up these claims right now or admit that you cannot: 1) the men involved were Israeli intelligence agents. 2) they had prior knowledge of 911. 3) this was part of a false flag operation by Israel to provoke the US in to war. - - - - - - - Yes or no LCD, can you substantiate this conspiracy theory with evidence? I expect you to address these points individually with actual quotes from real sources to back them up or admit that you have no proof for such a theory. Right now, do it. And your abc article clearly disputes those three points, as anyone who bothered to read it has by now realized. no amount of your spin will change what I have posted in my ballot, and what ABC news says about the incident: all we have to do is go read it, and decide for ourselves rather than relying on your heavily edited, biased cut and paste. Hollywood is known for this type of tactic. When a reviewer published an article about a movie with a quote "if you must see this movie, make sure to bring a pillow and a blanket, because it's a snorefest" TV commercial next day attributed this reviewer saying: "Must see" - john doe, movie critic for xxx newspaper. if anybody has any doubt, don't rely on a spindoctor with his own agenda. Form your own opinion by reading the article for yourself. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1 Welcome back Herzog. I missed you. I do enjoy crossing swords with you, and that being said,shall now comment on the above conversations. I have to say that I am incredulous that anyone would believe that Israel is whiter than white when it comes to the way they treat the Palestinians, their methods of torture and terror. I take the point that they are under attack by nations around them, but one cannot justify terrorism with state sponsored terrorism. I would also have more sympathy with Herzog's argument and his loyal acolytes, if they didn't have such a terrible track record in bigotry towards Muslims, illegal immigrants, anyone slightly left of Atilla the Hun. It's a bit rich to scream foul, when the bulk of the argument comes from deep seeded prejudice. That being said, I welcome you back Herzog, and despite our views, will not support any banning or censure on your part. The only true way to show the bigotry of the right, is to expose them, not ban them.
by Steelhamster
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Oddly this ballot is not on the list anymore
by Steelhamster
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