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Divide it to more states
No. The US does not need more homos
No. The USA couldn't beat the English.
Should just wipe them out, we don't want the homos
Rule Britannia we won't be beaten
Queen Elizabeth have a elastic vagina
Bush have a plastic dildo
What about Puerto Rico !?
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entered by : David_DC
Submitted on : Mar 01,2004 2:17:54 am

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you wouldn't be able to. we are not like iraq or afghanistan. we have special forces, a decent air force, decent equipment (the rifles only fuck up in the desert) and money. It would take years to conquer us. Face it, if you cant beat vietnam, then you have no hope of beating us.


We would wipe your little island out in under a week! Your Air Force hahaha Your money haha Vietnam? They kicked your ass and Frances ass. We had to go help you pussies! Then after begging us to help, you all ran like the cowards you are as soon as we got there.
Great just what we need another large tax burden
We have 160 nukes, based mostly in subs, even if you could defeat the army, and the following wave on conscripts, then win the savage gurriler war, wede just nuke you, nuf said
Basicly, IT would be the second viet nam, althou the british would have state of the art technology, a navy and more backing from the common person...and intercontinental ballistic missiles...
Yep, but we ahve nukes, dont matter what happens, if where going down, where taking the rest of the world with us...the fun of mutualy assured destruction
What is wrong wiv America? all they wanna do is take ove the world. Remember our small island held the British Empire before u were created and ur country of no history. It would be a much better world if us Brits never discovered America or anyone else for that matter than the original Indians could have lived in piece and we wouldnt have a country full of obnoxious war mongerers. As for Blair weve got to kick him out coz he is way to far up Bush's arse and since the Irq war most of and I mean like 99% of the UK hte, i say HATE Americans.
by Tez [+]

we shall fight on the landing grounds, in the streets and in the hills we shall never surrender
Orgazmo : stop talking about stuff u don't know
piss_off : the brits aren't as wimpish as the yanks we wud fight on till there's no1 left
i meant to say that 2 Guest_a6180
"the brits aren't as wimpish as the yanks we wud fight on till there's no1 left"

lol, it's easy to talk a big game until you're staring death in the face and when you know a certain scenario will never take place. Seriously, why do the British always ramble on pretending to be tough? It's exactly contrary to what other people all around the world see and think. Do you think a big mouth and strong words compensate for what you lack in the pants and elsewhere? Do you actually believe that ANY nationality is generally more 'wimpish' than the brits(English in particular)? Try to refrain from getting all hyped up and making idle threats - I'm asking legitimate questions. I need help pin pointing what props up this self proclaimed machismo that I see all too often via internet - having spent several weeks throughout England myself, I'm sure you can't possibly believe that you are physically superior or physically tougher than the average American. Perhaps by "aren't as wimpish as the yanks" you mean 'more willing and eager to die than Americans'? Again, I'm just trying to get to the root of this sort of crazy talk so that when I move on to the next ballot and see more of it I can understand what it's founded on, so don't get your panties in a twist.

the UK is four terotories so it could not be one state. america wouldn't need to invade, george and tony are best buddies. and the uk pratically is anyway. just like the letter "Y" is practically a vowle
"Well my simple trans-Atlantic chum, they are simply matching the provacative, insulting and generally mindless posts that are sent by the majority of 15 year old, jumped-up, pre pubescent little upstarts. They sit at their daddies computer, and mouth off at the ENTIRE world about how great the US is, and how all other nations 'suck big time'.

You, it seems, fit rather neatly into this demographic, methinks."

You don't seem to think much at all. What have I said that would put me into that demographic? What nation did I say or even imply "sucks big time". What did I say was great about the US? Me thinks you better take another spin at that wheel of accusations, matey. Or perhaps next time pin your accusations on someone who reflects them. And it's pretty hypocritical to say that Americans are provocative as the majority of Americans rarely even think about Britain, or anywhere else for that matter, and probably couldn't possibly care any less about you whereas it seems that everywhere you look there are comments made by English twats declaring that all Americans are obese, all Americans are 'stoopid', all Americans are hillbillies, all Americans love to kill, all Americans are drug addicts, Americans are imperialists, and any other nonsense they can think of or hear from a fellow cretin - much of which is extremely ironic wouldn't you say? Britons are living in glass houses but don't seem to understand why it's best not to cast stones - when someone retaliates, shattering their little house, they are so offended and want to point the finger in the opposite direction.

"It is a crying shame that the unchecked comments from people like your-self detract from the operation of restoring liberty and order to that country."

Oh yes, it was terrible of me to ask LEGITIMATE questions to try and get LEGITIMATE answers. And now I have put a burden on the men trying to restore order in Iraq...right.

You forgot to say: 'They will never take, our FREEEEEEEDOM!!!'
-"you people constitute only a fraction of the world population yet the burden on the world that you bring is massive."
-Oh yeah, like what? Not nearly as much as many Asian, European, and middle eastern countries. You probably don't even realize that the British Empire itself has created many of the worlds major problems.

"I would love to demonstrate english aggression on you you fuck."
-LOL, I can't help but see that as more of an amusement than a threat. Kind of like an angry dwarf.

By the way, it sounds like you've lost your voice of reason laddy. Also I'm not in 'your' country. I have SPENT time there in back in 03. I don't much care to live in an increasingly muslim nation.
"I seem to have lost my voice have I dave? Well, I must sincerely apologise for that - you really must find it in your heart to forgive me, seeing as it is the weekend and all. Yes indeed, the constraints of having a social life are a real bastard aren't they dave - perhaps you're not bogged down by such expenditure on your time as seeing your mates or girlfriend?"

No no, you seem to have misunderstood. That statement 'you seem to have lost your voice of reason' was in reference to your comments when posting as "America in flames".

"Granted, you didn't express yourself in quite these terms, (although countless numbers of your countrymen on this site have done, so a fair point I think)." -Well uhh, not quite a fair point, you know, when the whole point was tossing me specifically into THAT group. So that kind of dissolves that 'point' don't you think? "Even if this is the case, (which is a matter for SERIOUS debate), you are lowering yourself to the same level as many of the other bigoted, self-important, belligerent dick heads on this site.
Surely the very type of person that you are proud not to represent?"

'I need help pin pointing what props up this self proclaimed machismo that I see all too often via internet'

"Even if this is the case, (which is a matter for SERIOUS debate), you are lowering yourself to the same level as many of the other bigoted, self-important, belligerent dick heads on this site.
Surely the very type of person that you are proud not to represent?"

'I need help pin pointing what props up this self proclaimed machismo that I see all too often via internet'

"Even if this is the case, (which is a matter for SERIOUS debate), you are lowering yourself to the same level as many of the other bigoted, self-important, belligerent dick heads on this site.
Surely the very type of person that you are proud not to represent?"

I need help pin pointing what props up this self proclaimed machismo that I see all too often via internet

Keeps cutting off the rest of my post.
"Even if this is the case, (which is a matter for SERIOUS debate), you are lowering yourself to the same level as many of the other bigoted, self-important, belligerent dick heads on this site.
Surely the very type of person that you are proud not to represent?"

'I need help pin pointing what props up this self proclaimed machismo that I see all too often via internet' - Basically the entire point of my first post. The question is and was directed at these MANY people who are constantly saying how overweight all Americans are and how "we arent as wimpish as the yanks". Then I go on to say that after spending time in both countries I have formed the opinion that the British definetely don't have a physical edge over Americans as so many want to believe for some unknown reason, hence my questions.

"You have proven from these statements alone that you are happy to jump on the nationalistic bandwagon, yet you cry foul when someone raises a point contrary to your argument."

Being a nationalist would require excessive patriotism - Have I showed this? If so, where? You say that I cry foul when a point is raised in regards to my argument!? Where did this take place? Do enlighten me, matey, for you have sparked my curiosity. I haven't even resorted to alter egos yet, eh Mr. America in flames, err I mean 'voice of reason'? You can't really throw out the double standard card when you're displaying contradicting personas, using different names to try and disguise it.

I have to head out right now but I'll try to get to your other comments tomorrow or the day after.

I've got very little time so I'll try to touch on everything briefly.

"However, by the same token, you will find countless other ballots and posts where the roles are reversed. So to say Americans rarely even think about Britain, is also, as far as can be gauged from the American citizens who visit this site, (of whom you are one, may I remind you), quite simply bollocks."

heh, this site is nothing to go by. What do you expect from Americans who visit this site and see all the Anti-American bullshit? It's a bit hard not to think about you when nearly half the ballots on here are about the U.S. and how Americans are all *insert stereotype*. I can assure you that Americans thinking of the British at random, out of the blue is a rare occurance. On the other hand it seems like the U.S. is a British obsession. Look at any of your news sources. Visit forums, websites, chatrooms, etc. Just surf the net.

"Why did someone feel the need to post this, (which is reprasentative of many similar ballots), if your not bothered about us?"

As you so eloquently put it 'should we just roll over and be your bitch?'

"In fact, why did YOU feel the need to comment at all if we interest you so little? Surely a few British upstarts mouthing off against allmighty America isn't enough to insult YOUR obvious intelligence?"

As I said in my first post - 'I'm just trying to get to the root of this sort of crazy talk so that when I move on to the next ballot and see more of it I can understand what it's founded on, so don't get your panties in a twist.' I was fishing for them but hooked you and.

"You, it seems, are more than capable of casting stones from your flimsy glass hut."

Everyone is capable.

"And anyway, if they feel so inclined, should these individuals not be allowed to defend their national idenity from such voting options as, 'No. The US does not need more homos'!"

I don't care how much they defend themselves, so do I need to ask permission and set out disclaimers before I ask a question regarding a topic that I've been seeing way too often? Nar.

"In my opinion however, the gung-ho attitude and lack of respect for the Iraqi people amongst several Americans whom I have met through my work, and from many of the posts on this site, disgusts me.

I wonder what your thoughts are on this particular subject dave, considering your viewpoint on my 'increasingly Muslim nation'?"

Well when you're a soldier in war, you're trained to know who your enemies are, dislike them, and hold your life in higher regards than theirs. Do you think the allies in WW2 respected the Germans, Japanese, or Italians? Do you think the British showed respect to the people throughout the world when they were taking over their lands and exploiting all their resources? As for being Gung-Ho, I believe they should treat civilians fairly but I don't think it would be a good idea to allow someone who looks suspiciously like a suicide bomber to get close enough to shake his hand and ask him. Shoot first, ask questions later is a good policy if you want to survive especially in a place where there is now no recognized enemy but plenty of armed civilians and suicide bombers. Do the British soldiers who've killed civilians and alledgedly tortured POWs disgust you? Better yet, do the Iraqis that kill innocent peacekeepers of all nationalities disgust you?

Also, I'm probably not going to get many opportunities to come on here this month so my responses might be a bit delayed. Bare with me.
"Again it seems you are refuting the involvement of Americans in this mutual barracking. It takes two to tango."

I'm not matey. I realize that ballots like this are unnecessary and just throwing fuel on the fire. Believe me, I cringe at some comments made by Americans. Some I wish we could just disown(one ramaDUNG comes to mind).

"Hmm, I'm getting the distinct feeling of deja vu here, oh yes that's what it is - it's effectively the same thing I said in my last post, I shall refresh your memory,

'There are of course countless other ballots, specifically derogatory toward the folks from the US, the UK or otherwise, in which people from both our nations have entered into this stereotype hurling squabble'."

Tis true but do you not see that the Anti-US to Anti-UK ratio is quite unbalanced?

"Your government is as unpopular as the collective identity of your population, (the latter phenomena is unjust in my opinion), so the high volume of US related internet banter is not something to be proud of."

LMAO, LOL, ROFL and so forth. Proud? Bzzzzt! Amused that so many people spend so much time making the US the focal point of their day, and repeating tired and below par rhetoric regarding the US over and over? Ding ding ding!

"When you came to Britain, what gave you the impression that we're all soft? How did you spend your time? If the answer is that you spent your time fighting with locals, (and that you won more of these confrontations that you lost), then you are justified in at least one of your original points. If not, then how the hell do you know that the average Brit isn't as tough as the average American? Just because someone does not look hard, it doesn't mean that they couldn't kick the crap out of you."

Take it easy matey, you misinterpreted my question and comments. I'm not calling anyone soft. I'm just wondering why so many bring up toughness when it's not even an issue. For instance, I was checking out a ballot titled 'American football or rugby which do you prefer?', and just about every other comment someone says something to the effect of 'Americans are pussies, they have to wear pads', 'or American football is a for pussies' Despite the fact that A) the US has many rugby teams also and B)the average American football player is at least twice the size of the average rugby player. If someone wants to calculate toughness they need to use logic or watch UFC, amateur or professional boxing, 'World's strongest man' competitions, the olympics, etc.(incidently i've seen more Americans dominate all of the above than anyone else)- sorry, I had to put that in.

"I would ideally refrain from the use of stereotpyes at this point, but it is a well known fact that the United States has one of the highest incidence of obesity in the western world. Therefore regarding the statement 'I'm sure you can't possibly believe that you are physically superior . . . than the average American.', it really depends on what you mean by the average American. The modal and median averages would probably represent healthy individuals. The mean average, (with regard to weight), would certainly be somewhat larger, and hence within the confines of this debate, physically inferior to his/her British counterpart."

The US has a high proportion of people that are overweight but throughout England I observed many who were fat, and many who were quite a bit underweight. I know that the US has more overweight but the UK has got quite a few of them as well and considerably more who are underweight which is equally unhealthy. I don't know what the attitude is in the UK but in the US more guys prefer eating alot, working out, bulking up and trying to follow the muscular model American rather than striving to be skinny or of 'ideal' weight. So it really is pointless for either to claim physical superiority. It depends entirely on peoples outlook. But due to America's higher obesity rate I will have to agree and say that more Americans are worse off health wise(although the trend is catching on fast in the western world).

"The most I have done is label some of the less savoury American posters on this ballot '15 year old, jumped-up, pre pubescent little upstarts', and this in response to your post effectively saying, amongst other things, that the 'English in particular' are the most 'wimpish' nation on earth."

I said 'Do you actually believe that ANY nationality is generally more 'wimpish' than the brits(English in particular)?'. And wouldn't you agree that no nation is GENERALLY more 'wimpish' than the next? I threw that little English remark in because it's usually them who say this kind of stuff.

"However, not all muslims are your enemies dave."

I realize this but like I said when you're sitting ducks with no enemy to be recognized you have to be cautious and pretty much suspect everyone, considering it's civilians doing the attacking.

"I'm discussing contempory events here dave, besides, the US has more than it's fair share of dirty laundry. And yet again, in the context of this statement, you are implying that all muslims are your enemy - they are not."

I know the US has created and capitalized on some problems but we definately haven't done as much bad in the world as many. For the muslim thing refer back to my comment above.

"The fact of the matter is that despite the Americans policing the more turbulent sectors of Iraq, the British army, (if the various international news agencies are to be believed), are a far better force at winning the hearts and minds of the local populace - what is the reason for this?"

Americans suck at peacekeeping. I know that many Iraqis are suspicious of American soldiers and believe they are their to conquer them. Plus they see Americans as merciless, with their unnecessary killing of civilians. I've seen so much Iraq war footage and the aftermath of demolished buildings, dead families, family members burying their dead, civilians who got caught in crossfire, etc. Believe me, even I see some soldiers as bloodthirsty in some events.

"Yes, unfortunately a maxim taken all too literally by a number of your brothers in arms, (A10 tankbusters and patriot missiles spring to mind), who, if I'm not mistaken, caused more British loss of life than did the enemy in the recent conflict - unfortunately, it seems that this adage applies to both friend and foe!"

Well missles are certainly not fail-safe. Friendly fire has been relatively low this war so I assume you meant the first Iraq war. I can recall a friendly fire incident between two British tanks though right off hand in the recent war so it's not only us.

"I suggest that you click on MY user name from any of the ballots that I have posted, and make a note of the time stamped IP address. Then do the same with the post from 'America in flames'. Now take the time to compare the two - do you see a difference? Yes, I thought you might! I'm not sure if you know anything about computers dave, but the same terminal cannot have two different IP addresses, (and even if it can, it is a moot point as I did not post that garbage)."

I realize that the IP addresses are different, however I didn't think it mattered much - whenever I post as unregistered my IP address is always different from my post prior(as unregistered of course). There was another way I thought I might be able to tell however it was not sure-fire (have you posted as a nemesis, vampire.com, or Guest_a6180? ;-). Sorry if it was a false accusation.

I apologize if I seem incoherent here and there or if this post seems poorly contrived but it's 4:20AM and I'm in a rush to get in a nap before time to get up.

"Regarding the comment about rugby players being smaller than American football players, I would be inclined to disagree. Granted, most American football players are large with a capital L, but believe me, so are most of the English rugby squad (I cite this team as an example because I'm not a great fan of rugby, so really they are the only viable reference that I have - it's fair to say that they are representative though)." - Well not quite. The mean weight of England U21 players is about 210lbs (95kgs) the heaviest being about 235lbs (106kgs) while the average American linebacker is closer to 300lbs (136kgs). Either way, one thing is for sure - neither is a game for pussies.
"With regards to the US dominating those sports you mentioned, well, I'm not much of a sports buff I'm afraid. However, I was under the impression that the Scandinavians ruled the roost when it came to the Worlds strongest man competitions." - This is true if you place all Scandinavian countries into a single representation. However, if you look at it nation by nation I believe the US has more strong man champions and record holders than any one country. I wouldn't gamble a hefty amount of money on this as being fact though as I haven't seen all the statistics and don't follow it that closely.
"I know very little about boxing either, other than that the central and south American countries always field tough little hombres." - Yes they do produce most of the best lightweight and welterweight fighters.
"To be honest, I think we could dance around each other picking holes in our respective posts for a month of Sundays." - Hehe, that's why I don't get involved much in this site. I quickly lose the desire to dismantle posts. I prefer to make amends before it gets too drawn out and pointless.
"On a final note, concerning the IP address issue, I have since learned that a computer can have multiple IP addresses, (my bad). Apparently, this is predominantly the case when using a dial up connection, as you use a different server each time you connect. I'm on a LAN, and my IP is fixed – I'm not really up to speed with it all to be honest." - If I had seen that your IP address remained the same throughout before, I would've never inferred that you were someone different. I was thinking everyone's address changed with each post.

"Voice of reason did u not read Dave dc's posts m8?
He is basically saying that our country Britain is merely a puppet of the US and thats ok with him."

You must have me confused with another David_DC.

" (although it may be considered that even posting on such a ballot except in negation, in itself implies agreement with the title)."

That's not the case. None of my posts were in reference to to title or topic at hand.

I hear you matey. When I first stumbled on this site I was amazed at how many ballots were made to take cheapshots at each other. It's the ballots like "DEAD YANK SCUM", "AMERICUNTS how do you feel about the fact that every other nation despises you", "Would the world be a safer place if America was nuked", "what is the best way to desecrate an American flag", "MORE DEAD YANK FILTH", "why are the 9/11 hijackers braver than American pilots", "Did America cause WW2", etc., made by dolts that cause me as well as other Americans to feel a general ill will to many people outside the country. I can understand that a lot of ballots are meant in fun simply taunting each other but some people just go too far.
That last comment was to

"To be honest, despite my short time visiting this site, the majority of posts that I have witnessed regarding subjects of potential conflict (posted from all nationalities), have either saddened or annoyed me. It is refreshing to exchange dialogue with someone who, on the whole, presents well reasoned
and thought provoking arguments, rather than simply dishing out colourful expletives. Despite what I may have said to the contrary in my previous posts, you do seem like a reasonable bloke."

No we fine just with our states. We don't need another faggat "state" full of uglier people.
Gata is an aggressive, illiterate idiot.
Why? What has the UK done to us?
The UK government bends over backwards to please the US anyway. Why not make it official?
Voted : Yes
lets make it official





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