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There is constant shit between the British and the Americans on here. I'm for stopping it. We should ally ourselves to one another. China and India/Asia, Europe and Russia shall emerge/re-emerge as Superpowers.
The rest of the world hate us and then we go and create tension between us.
C'mon Brits, we could side with China.
Yeah right. FUCK OFF.
Europe but we'd be on our own because Germany and France would be...err... shall we say occupied by each other, sickening.
Russia. Maybe Not
Or the Americans.
Ok so I've said anti-American stuff in the past.
Years ago, I meant it.
I hated all Americans, I became so stubborn at one point that I refused to watch or eat anything that was advertised as American for advertising/marketing effect.
Then I realised just how fucking stupid this was.
I thought I can't say I hate ALL Americans, they're all fat, all dumb, all ignorant, victims of Hollywood propaganda, wrongly opinionated about World affairs. I thought there's wankers like that everywhere, I still think more so in the US.
But if it comes to the US, Russia, China or Europe then for me there is no competition.
Our two militaries, economies, technoligies etc. combined are a power which no country or alliance in the World can threaten.
And really I think the Brits and Yanks have more in common than either would like to admit.
One proviso
Americans have to stop claiming that they saved Britain in WW2. Yes

Yes
No
Undecided
Would sooner be allied to someone else.
Would rather be isolationist. This vote is for Idiots.
Would rather engage in a threesome with France and Germany. This vote is for Euro wankers.
What benefits does it offer?
Strengthen relations between the Commonwealth
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Is it any wonder you English are despised the world over with arrogant twits like you and your maurauding compatriot football rioting savages trying to wreck every country they visit,just like their ancestors, you'll never learn.

entered by : Ken_from_Dublin
Submitted on : Jul 28,2004 2:31:19 pm

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I voted no because when I rag on the brits on this site, I'm just joking around. It's good to mess with your friends sometimes. If it ever came down to it and ANY of the other Anglo nations needed help, I would fight for them, especially Britain. A new Anglo alliance may be the way of the future.


I've never had anything against the British, and frankly, I don't understand how ANYONE could buy into this prejudicial nonsense. I welcome anyone into our country who doesn't come here with bad intentions; and I think that's most people.
If an American rags on a Brit, he assumes they are both in their respective countries and it will be even less likely that they will ever to confront the other. They're just sissies hiding behind the internet and an ocean. I wouldn't even be saying this if I didn't have the mask of the internet
Good point, it's a lot easier to insult someone who isn't standing right in front of you.
Some take it as a laugh.
But I can assure you that a lot don't.
I know many for who it is not a laugh and do develop real hatred for Americans based on what they see on this site.
I took everything seriously for a while and then I realised that most people on here are just complete wankers, with no sense, no logic and no brains.
It is only through arguing and making complete mockeries out out of their arguements only for them to then start insulting with all the wit and repartee of a child that I've been able to see this.
Now I do just laugh whenever I see these ridiculous comments, I don't even bother posting responses to a claim that the Brits have bad teeth or they need dentists or what's with their shitty posh accent.
I just laugh at their ignorance, I used to dispise it.

wow: 'patriot has turned over a new leaf. lol
yeah i'm all for stopping the tension, but it isnt the silent majority who cause the tension, but people like Nolliebloke, with his BNP fanasticism, and American_empire, or ist_mar_div with their stupidity and marred reason. most of us have our differences, and will argue our point, but arent outwardly anti-other. am i right in saying this? this is certainly true of me.

I've seen some of your comment.England_patriot,You are nasty mean pathetic little asshole.So go fuck yourself.You live in Englkand and you like it there.So what the fuck is your problem huh?ghetto boy?
Hey jap you're not either British or American.
You're just a fucking Jap so fuck off from this ballot.
I heard you were thinking of moving to England.
England doesn't want Japs but please feel free to move because Blackpool is less than an hour away and I would feel compelled to visit.
O yeah, Apparently Irish_Scandinavian is your best friend on here but he just calls you a Jap.
I wish I were a Jap.
O wait, No I don't.

By the way is it just me or Do all Asians look the same?
Who was it who said You judge a man by the company he keeps, evidently the same is true of Japanese women.
Of course said Jap seems to have some sort of issue with me, never actually talked to her. Never actually seen her write anything except a three word sentence on one of my ballots but I've acheived top of her Users I hate List.

Fucking stupid prick.In the first place.I'm not a "Jap".You makes me laugh actually.You are sad pathetic little prick.I know that you live in lice infested smelly ass project.
Don't get so mad just cuz your government cut off welfare check,nasty low life scum.Yeah I'm going to Blackpool.you better not come around my area.My boys will fuck you up.Punk ass fuck twit.Frankly Irish_scandinavian is my friend.I don't give about what he thinks about Japanese.I know he hate fuck head like you with passion.It's too bad your fat ass ho mama kept producing little rats like you.Tell your alchohlic dad to get a vasectomy haha

omg! Blasted! lol
Hey,Draw I'm glad that you liked it
England_Patriot
Fuck you Engish Fag. You fucking scumbag, you are the scum of the earth, The shit on my shoe. Oh and for the record dumbass, England is ALWAYS begging Japan to bring Japanese students to England shithead. You know why? becuz Japanese students acually drop loads of money in England. Its your kind of people England wants to get rid of. Scum like you shithead. Get off the pathetic welfare your fucking on.

Well said believe_or_not.
Listen to England_Patriot trying to bring two strongholds together on an internet site as if it were to happen someday. Then he goes and talks shit about the Japanese although America has Marine and Naval bases there. This dude is living in the past and should consider coming back to reality. In laymens terms, get your head out of your ass fool!
You living in Ireland now Irish?
by England_Patriot on Jul 18, 2004


yes england-patriot bro i am now living in cork Ireland
by Irish-Scandinavian on Jul 20, 2004


You should come over
by England_Patriot on Jul 20, 2004


perhaps i shall. Me girlfirend who is half danish/british. her family lives like 40 minutes from manchester.
by Irish-Scandinavian on Jul 20, 2004


Where's abouts do they live?
Lancashire?
by England_Patriot on Jul 21, 2004


maybe. she was practising her danish with me and told me in danish so it probably slipped out of my mind. all i remember she said is that her english family lives in northern england 40 minutes away from manchester



You really gotta have the B.A.R and the MG42, the best machine gun in the world at the time included in this ballot.
Panzerfaust for the pure devestation it caused has to go in as well.
My vote would either go to the 88mm simply because it was a beast. A direct hit from an 88mm and you were fucked or the Panzerfaust because economically it is the most effective weapon EVER.
It caused huge amounts of damage and was easy to manufacture and cheap and so simple to use that you could use it without ever being trained to do so.
by England_Patriot on Apr 20, 2004



I agree with E_P. the MG-42 was a milestone machine gun. The American M-60 of today is a direct result of it. It could put more rounds out than anything we ever had.
by FEnatic on Apr 21, 2004


i agree with both of you. as a hangun i prefer the german walther p-38. excelent gun, never jams.
by Irish-Scandinavian


yo
we got us a jap who dosn't care about your ww2 ballot. figures the descive ballot
Irish-Scandinavian on Jun 10, 2004

I can see what you mean.
Irish seems to have an intense hatred of me. You could say he hates me with a passion.

I didn't actually know you wern't a Jap because this is the first time I've actually spoken to you, EVER, yet you seem to have developed a deep loathing.

I'll give you one guess on who Irish was talking about when he said we got us a jap who dosn't care about your ww2 ballot. figures.

Since he's your best friend apparently I thought he might know.

Strange could you name one of these persons that apparantly beg the Japs to come over.
I was in Rome two weeks ago and the place as usual was swarming with Japs, the hatred coming from some of the English there was unbelievable.

Sad?
Ahhhhhhhh
protect me from the witicisms of this wanna Jap who obviously has an advanced degree in the wit and repartee of a small child.

By the way I'm actually sixteen and don't actually receive welfare because I'm going to college because unlike you I have at least some intelligence.
Not that money is actually a problem for me. I have 500 quid in my personal acoount, over a 100 in my wallet and over 10,000 quid in my savings account.

Yeah, the bad boys of seaside town Blackpool could really do some damage to some boys from Manchester.
Blackpool has no bad boys.
You see them all in Arcades!!!
And the most popular thing in them is the stupid dancing bollox.
Yeah, they must be well ard.
That would be some sorting.
Of course, I could also get some of City's boys to come down.
Of course one time they were down there, they cause 60,000 worth of damage to Bloomfield and wrecked Blackpool's firm.
Well they wreck Blackpool's firm every time
So they'd have a huge challenge overcoming some arcade boys.

You call it your area, I've lived in the North West all my life but it's your area?
OK.

The US has bases everywhere, so that don't mean shit, it has bases in Japan, yes but it has bases in Britain, do you talk shit about Britain, Turkey, all over the middle east, in the Pacific?
Do all Americans like people in the middle east, No.
I know a lot of Americans who dispise the Japanese. American_Boy is one of them.

So tell me England_Patriot, what exactly is your point? You haven't made one of any importance yet.
This prick is soo retarded.even copied all the message that Irish_scandinavian sent to him.So what are you trying to say huh?
Didn't I tell you that I really don't care what he thinks about Japanes or any other ethnic group.I really don't bother me.I am a U.S citizen to begin with.Yes mu great gramma was Japanese and shipped to the concentration camp during the war.Irish_scandinavian knows that and he never insulted me for that.His opinion on Japanes is not my concern.Fucking prick.
And yeah you cross the line big time.just watch out.I'll show you if Blackpool has no bad asses or not.I know you are nothing but insecure little cyber nerd.Mark my word.

Hey i remember you fucking rotten teeth English scum. So your in college huh? pft bullshit your just a low-life scumbag. You wouldnt be spending all this time on this website if you were in college....and you tell everyone how much cash you have in your account......wow real smart. Im so impressed. and now you have a full time job to? hmmm....BS. Your a pathetic little boy that dropped out of high school. Your an embarressment to England and the whole white race.
I thought we lost you.
I think this one is getting funnier and funnier. It kinda reminds me of the fight between you and Nollie_man. And english_patriot why do you keep bringing up Irish_scandinavian? You should give out messages that other people sent you....how about just a little common sense college-boy.

Yeah I'm still here babygirl.Are you going to Cuncoon this weekend?
jesus christ, guys, what is this ballot about??
Yes I admit I dropped out of high school.
Lots of high schools to drop out of in England.

I bring up irish because he's your best friend on here yet he goes "yo we got ourselves a Jap" and I'm not the person who spends all his time hating someone I don't even speak to, or will probably never even meet.
I'm the nerd?
The fact that you've used that word speaks volumes.
Another thing I've noticed only people who use the word insecure are insecure themselves.
And people who try to act like badasses off hand instead of it being a reaction never are.
So bring on ya bad arcade boys.

Justin,No I'm not going to Cuncoon.I'm sooo broke.It's not even funny.I had to pay part of the tuition for fall semester.I have a payment plan and got federal brants still 16 credit...That is loads of money.I have to go to some party this weekend.One of my roommate got promoted (marine captain).But anywayz,England_patriot,The reasonwhy I called you insecure is because you are trying to prove something sooo hard copying all the message that Brian(Irish) sent out to you,mention all the detail of your bank account,But what are you trying to prove?I have no idea.you mocked me my English.and I'm the first one that admitt my English is fucked up especially when I'm excited.But how about yourself?you just keep calling me a Jap and putting down Japanese people.when peopel attack someone solely for their ethnic or racial heritage,that is the clear evidence of insecurity.I've never attacked you becuz you are English.I attacked you becuz you are such mean arrogant individual.And another thing,I really don't care what Brian(Irish) said to you.but IF he said that to my face,oh yeah~then I would like"OK Bri,bring it on".he gave me total of 16 rating.(all "great").Just cuz some stranger says"Hey Irish called you a Jap"
why should I hate him??I don't take things too personally.I called another user Ken_from_Dublin all the kinda names before.(this guy is Irish too).But that doesn't mean I hate whole Irish nation or anything like that.Brian is a good kid.I like everybody as loing as they don't fuck with me.

I can't spell
What tension, all it is is harmless badmouthing back and forth. England_Patriot, didn't you say on one of the recent polls that 60,000 English troops could defeat 60,000 of anyone else? Just like you did in the Revolutionary war eh? Although you believe it or not cant win a conversation with curses. And none of you can win the tension isnt deadly is it? And it's not just Brits Americans badmouth. Americans badmouth anyone who is not like them and its true you cant deny it. America has some of the most stereotypical people on Earth.
I speak like a machine gun but I can't type.
I called you Jap because you appear to be insulted by the use of the word, if a Jap is sorted, a Jap is sorted, end all. If a person from any nation is sorted, they're sorted, end of story.
I don't like Japs in general because basically because Japan managed to produce a whole army of suicidal, brutal, opressive people, who tortured thousands of soldiers, starved them. I'm not the only one who thinks like this. To be insecure about Japs, I would have to fear them, which I don't really have a reason to.
Apart from that before you degenerate into a rant, there are also people from nations I instinctively like, like the Italians, Canadians, South Africans etc.
I don't like losing arguements and if I didn't respond it would would look like I did.
If no-one responded to posts on here, we wouldn't have a board.
Everyone defends their posts and opinion and views on here.
You're doing it, are you insecure?
That arguement is just not logical.
Another thing, I'm actually trying to stop tension on this website between Americans and Brits because of my new attitudes of "I thought I can't say I hate ALL Americans, they're all fat, all dumb, all ignorant, victims of Hollywood propaganda, wrongly opinionated about World affairs. I thought there's wankers like that everywhere"
That would suggest otherwise to your perception.

60,000 British soldiers would defeat 60,000 American soldiers NOW.
Statistics say that.
Logic says that.
Although I think that is a pointless discussion.
A war between the US and Britain will never happen.
Our militaries are essentially dependent on one another.

and you won the revolution for several reasons.
1. Most of our best troops were in Europe facing at the time the largest land army on earth and we won.
2. You survived because of sheer luck on some occasions eg Washington.
3. Cornwallis was not arresive enough.
4. You won in Yorktown due to the French as we were surrounded because of the French Navy and therefore unable to make a tactical withdrawl.

You did not win as you are suggesting because our soldiers were inferior.
And why is it that Americans claim it as an American victory.
Americans as a race did not exist, all the founding fathers were British, I believe and the Presidents for a while after that

It seems England_Parrot sorry Patheti....sorry.... patriot is jealous of the fact that Japan has risen from the ashes of WW2 to replace Britain as the worlds most powerful Island nation, they piss all over your backward shithole of a country with their car and electronics industries, go and grovel at the feet of your American masters- thats about the only thing your miserable little country is good at these days...

...and what have you got to be patriotic about? England isn't even a proper nation state- it's subsumed within the so called United Kingdom.

All right, Americans didn't save Brits in WW2, Russians did. If Russia didn't put an offensive front on Berlin the D-Day would have been a disaster and the entire American front would have been swept. Lets not talk military though. I believe Americans give themselves too much credit for the things that they didn't do such as Edison discovering electricity, winning WW2, winning Veitnam, being true patriots, and that's off the top of my head. The US was built accoriding to English standards such as how the constitution is set up and the way they wage war on countries for no reasons and always wanting the world to think they are the victims. And those who don't believe the US is right are "terrorists" or "haters of freedom". Plus the US lets people who are uneducted and ignorant represent them.
"It seems England_Parrot sorry Patheti....sorry.... patriot is jealous of the fact that Japan has risen from the ashes of WW2 to replace Britain as the worlds most powerful Island nation, they piss all over your backward shithole of a country with their car and electronics industries, go and grovel at the feet of your American masters- thats about the only thing your miserable little country is good at these days..."
what is your problem, holmes? yes, i'll agree, patriot has an unhealthy hatred of the japanese, but there is no need to be rude. after all, you're irish, not japanese.
the japanese, it is true, have done very well for themselves since their defeat in WWII. like germany, only after huge foreign investment, chiefly from european and american companies, have they been able to find their feet. japan's economy now almost doubles that of the UK , and has passed the halfway towards the USA's GNP .
the only problem with the japanese economy is it relies entirely on import/export, and internal consuption is relatively low compared to what they can export. the British economy, however, is service orientated. we can, in desperate cicumstances, be self sufficiant. we have oil and natural gas in the North sea, which supplies all of our demand, and we have bauxite, haemotite, coal and limestone. we produce 60% of our own food using less than 0.5% of our workforce and comparitively little of our farmable land to its full effect.
this is why i believe britain will always be a more powerful counntry than japan, given that the power of a country is determined by the country's ability to make war, and in a war, lets face it, we'd eat japan for breakfast. a blockade of their island by our vastly superior navy would have them crawling in less than a year.
the anglo american alliance has been strong throughout the century. this is understandible as we are countries who share the same values: freedom, democracy and free market capitalism. the free world survived during the cold war because of the determination of Britain and america not to be bullied by the soviet bloc. our countries have a close relationship which many other countries are jealous of, in which case they claim that we are being controlled by america, which simply isnt true.

"stfu your wrong in so many ways and i would tell you if a felt like typing so keep your mouth shut about things you donn't know/understand. Your one of the reasons americans/brits hate eachother cause you knock down Americans"

Is that pointed toward me or Ken?

Im not saying that England controls the US, I am saying that the US was built on an English frame if you understand what I mean.
Well, you are correct, if Germany didn't create and assult on Stalingrad I doubt Russian would have retaliated. But if Russia did nothing offensively to avenge Germany than they Allies would be in quite a pickle.
Jesus christ,Now this ballot is about"Japan vs England" who cares.they are both tiny rainy Island nation.I like them both though.This is getting boring.
England_Patriot,you are nothing but disgrace to our nation.The way you talk to Mia is absolutely anacceptable.
I guarantee you,I'll show you what we,"seaside town arcade boys"got.Now I don't waste my time on this BS.
walk to walk' not just talk to talk, mate.

Ok im all for a fair (even heated) argument but if you few particular ignorant paddy/yankee cunts talk badly about england again i will rip of your faces with my teeth, got it? That is not insulting every american or irish, just a few particular idiots who need to learn some manners fast.
If I woke up tomorrow to find I am five hundred miles tall the first thing I would do would be to stretch my long legs by strolling across the Irish sea, and when I got to London I would pull down my boxer shorts and shit all over the kip till it was buried under a billion tons of my excrement.
Ken...It would be piss funny...at least much more effective than IRA bombing here and there
:-)

Ross,I'm very proud of you.You actually managed to get on the net and found this site..."seaside town clubbing boys"shit obviouslt got on your nerve...
The funny thing is ken-from-dublin you have been buried under a million tonnes of english excrement already for about 400 years! haha, go and take a bath, you stink!
And the difference between england and Ireland is that we would have the emergency services available to clean it up, being the DEVELOPED country we are. :)
No, your backward educational system obviously hasn't thought you anything about my nation state, a proper country, we earn more per capita than your pathetic hopeless little conglomerate of disparate states, we are the strongest economy in Europe,and the biggest exporter of computer hardware and software in the world after the USA.

Fuck you and your queen.

God what planet are you living on? And in what century? Get over your bitterness you stupid little leprechaun! Do you really think you saying fuck the queen bothers me? Thats pathetic really. At least we were important enough to HAVE a queen though ya? And our monarchy ruled your country for a few centuries. The Queen represents TRADITION nowadays, something your land of tinkers has never been free enough to develop :)

You say "pathetic hopeless little conglomerate of disparate states" really?! then how would you describe ireland? (northern/southern) moron? You will note that irelands formerly impressive, DEVELOPING country style growth rate (same bracket as Nigeria etc) slowed down too a not so impressive 2.7 % in 2003. That growth rate was largely due to foreign investment bacuse of your low, developing country taxation rate.

And you have one of the shortest secondary school eduacations in the devloped world, meaning you are not as good on the basics as we are. You leave school early and get trained in a specific skill by a large foreign company. Your education is really not that rounded.
You english hooligan,look at you-you can't even spell,you thick english savage, cutting edge American technological corporations like Microsoft,Hewlett Packard and IBM choose Ireland,the land of saints and scholars, for their foreign bases because they consider us to be the most highly educated workforce in the world.
Dr D.
Trinity college(Dublin) is actually ranked higher than Oxford...

Yes, and it's considered by many to be the finest university in the world.
'Anglo-alliance'? You're deluded if you think Britain could have an equal alliance with the USA. Britain, would be, at best, a junior partner to a country whose history and cultural values only impress Rupert Murdoch's Sun reading scum, the dregs of society. Face the facts, you're English, you're European. You don't need to bend over and lube up for Uncle Sam (unless you really want to). A European federation is an alliance of equals.

Ireland is completely irrelevant. Ok, it's irksome for the British people having to subsidise them, but that'll stop in a few years when the Irish grow up and don't need hand-outs anymore.

The Republic of Ireland is NOT subsidised by the British,the Republic of Ireland is an independent wealthy modern European nation.They do however subsidise the north eastern six counties of the island of Ireland that they occupy and claim as part of 'Britain'.
The Irish Republic gets massive EU grants, greatly exceeding Irish contributions. The UK is a net contributor to the funds donated to Ireland thereby subsidising the Irish Republic.

I'm not anti-Irish, I have some Irish ancestry, just stating facts. I'm not pro-unionist either, but they've been there for 600 years, since the island was a collection of chiefdoms, not a country. They don't want to be ruled by Dublin any more than you want to be ruled by London. As far as I'm concerned the Unionists are a pain in the neck. I appreciate the historical reasons for Irish antagonism towards the UK, but the British, for all their faults, did create the Irish Republic voluntarily.

Good luck to Ireland in the future, wherever the government is based. It shouldn't make any practical difference. As I understand it, citizens of the north can choose which passport they want.

Because Ireland is one island doesn't mean it should be one country any more than Scotland should be incorporated into England because it's on the same island.

There's nothing worth fighting over now, most people in the north and the south don't care, it's just a few hot heads on each side looking for somebody to hate and somebody else to blame for their own failures.

cock- from -dublin

"english hooligan" ? thats a really educated point of view, well done. Shall i call you money stealing gypsy scum from now on then ya? That way we can all be ignorant like you.

Thats the second time you have made reference to spelling, running out of ideas eh? To clear it up they are not spelling errors they are typing errors which i cannot be bothered to rectify. I have better things to do with my time unlike you you jobless pikey. If you cant understand what i am saying because of a few incorrectly pressed keys then you really dont belong on the internet. Lets see if you bring that up again in your search for something original to say.

In reference to Dublin University, WHO exactly rates it higher? And in what subjects? When you only have one good university in your entire country surely it SHOULD be good shouldnt it? lol


Finally you really need to get over the Nortern Ireland issue. It stopped being an "occupation" a long time ago. The people there WANT to be british. Stop being bitter and living in the past, just deal with it.

Is it any wonder you English are despised the world over with arrogant twits like you and your maurauding compatriot football rioting savages trying to wreck every country they visit,just like their ancestors, you'll never learn.
Look at his grammar and spelling again!The man's an idiot!
Help!

"we are the strongest economy in Europe" -by ken_from_dublin.

this isnt true. in the conventional sense, strong economies are measured by countries' typical yearly output, the GNP. the GNP of ireland is a puny 117 thousand million US$. not the strongest in europe, by a long way.

Don't insult my my and your intelligence,you should know I meant 'per capita'.
Back to Japan

When considering GDP, populations have to be taken into account.
Japan may have almost twice our GDOP but it has more than double our population.

As British_Bloke_Mk_II pointed out, Britain's economy is more stable because it is not totally reliant on import and exports and is not as heavily funded nor economically etablished by American and European investment.

As British_Bloke_Mk_II also correctly pointed out, a nation's power is measured by a nation's military and the British military is significantly stronger.
Both now and in the future.
In all aspects of the military we are stronger and will remain stronger than Japan.

Ken_from_Dublin
You are a complete idiot.
The car thing amongst others is what I refer to.

Japan makes some good cars there can be no doubt about that.
But get any Japanese car you want, modify in any way you want and then race it against a TVR Speed 12 in any style of race, endurance race, drag race, track race, whatever and the TVR Speed 12 will annihilate it.

Japan's great cars like the Mitsubishi and the Evo get destroyed by TVRs and Nobles in any race.

The TVR 440r, which isn't even the highest performing TVR is the only car that managed a time even resembling Audi's R8.
The TVR Speed 12 stripped the McLaren F1 of it's road car top speed record and the road car fastest acceleration.

In terms of supercars and high performing cars, Japan just doesn't figure in the equation.

Also forget Northern Ireland, they want to be British, just accept it.
Also Britain, these figures may be wrong in which case British_Bloke_Mk_II can probably correct me, Britain contributes 14 billion to the european budget and only receives 12 billion back thereby contributing as pointed out to Ireland's economy. Ireland's economy has ben assisted hugely by the EU, it's not anything to be proud of, EU and American investment as you graciously pointed out (microsoft, Hewlett Packard and IBM) and therefore not an Irish acheivement and therefore nothing to be proud of and has a high cost of living, I think it's higher than Britain's.

Stay away from British cars VS Japanese cars because I expect you don't want to see yet another British victory.

What does England have to be proud of these days?

Well you named one, cars.

High performance TVRs, look great, brilliant performance that have the likes of ferrari scared AND beaten as well as having some decent interiors.
Sport.
A good football team.
Rugby World Champion, yes you defeated us but we're still world champions and that was a team plagued with injuries.
2nd best Rugby team in the world.
Granted, most things are British these days including the military of which I am immensely proud but because I'm proud of my nation, doesn't mean I can't be proud of Britain.

ross_allen
I don't wish to insult you really, it would be a contradiction of this post actually as TVR are a Blackpool based company.
I don't care if you think I'm a disgrace to this nation because what reason would I have to hold your opinion in high regard or take it seriously at all.

Your friend Mia is strange to say the least, she has a built up an extensive hatred of me without ever even talking to me.
She was the aggressor, her language towards me, granted it was the language of a mentally challenged, childish witted person on the back foot was nevertheless much more insulting than mine.
I venture that the way she talked to me was much less acceptable than my reponses.
She acted like a badass off hand and not as a reation, I have learned from experience that these people are not badasses.
O yeah and uses the word Nerd.

And c'mon you can't claim that Blackpool's arcades aren't packed with teenagers. It's the same in Cleveley's and Fleetwood, especially at the Pier where I never see less than 20 teenagers gathered around that fucking dance machine, teenagers and fucking dance machines doesn't invite hardasses as a conclusion.
Yes, I know the area so you can't lie.
I also know quite a few lads in City's firm including old hands who recount City's boys chasing Blackpool all over the place and of course there is the time when the Blackpool police unable to control them surrendered a Blackpool stand to them after causing 60,000 pounds worth of damage, I am too young to have been there but I am told we ran riot.

yes Ken for your benefit I am a football hooligan to feed your illusions of the British.

Ignore the fucking links, spyware or a virus of somekind.
and I put 2nd best Rugby team, I meant to put Cricket team
Ah,but your full of your own shit, I haven't even bothered reading beyond the first two lines of your protracted ethnocentric self-indulgent nonsense.

Think what you like, I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think E.P.

I just thank God I was born Irish.

England Patriot,what do you think of fibreglass,you know that shitty cheap stuff used for attic insulation-instead of steel- being used as the bodywork of a sportscar?
I'm thinking steel is heavy and therefore by the law of Physics if something lighter is used a higher speed is acheived and I'm also thinking that most supercars use Carbon-fibre which is actually 3 times stronger than steel and far far lighter to increase power to weight ratio and therefore have higher top speeds is excellent and is far from being shitty and cheap.

I assure you I couldn't give a flying fuck about what you think because everything that comes out of your mouth is pure ignorant shit.
Japanese cars better than British cars when they get annihilated in any form of race by many British cars.

I assure you I'm not full of my own shit because what I speak is the truth, your description is far more adequate for yourself it's just a shame that you can't actually see that.
I pity you.

Fibreglass = bodywork of all TVR 'sports' cars,I'm ...em...embarrassed for you EP to put it mildly. )-;
Oh my God, Ijust realised-when I said fibreglass he mixed it up with 'carbon fibre'....what's going on?
"Don't insult my my and your intelligence,you should know I meant 'per capita"
sorry, lol. you're not stupid, i know. even if you did mean per capita, you are still a few hundred behind us, according to the CIA and Britannica, but are catching up. you are still nowhere near best in europe, though.

"Also Britain, these figures may be wrong in which case British_Bloke_Mk_II can probably correct me, Britain contributes 14 billion to the european budget and only receives 12 billion back thereby contributing as pointed out to Ireland's economy."
some of your figures are dodgey, and it is not all black and white like that. we give £30 thousand million to the EU from our national budget, but what we recieve, somewhere in the region of £15 thousand million, is through free trade, and not donations to our government. ie we give through taxes, and recieve through consumer and corperate advantages. it is only the smaller countries and weaker economies who benfit from this scheme, as we all contribute to it in proportion to our budgets' total value, but recieve according to our actual need for subsidy. it's a little fucked up really, excuse my Gaelic.

i dont claim to know very much about cars, but i do know that the British produce some fantastic cars. such as the TVR, the new Rover 75-series, the Jaguar, the new Bentlys , the Rolls Royce Phantom, the Aston-Martin, the list goes on. you cannot deny the quality of these autos, dudes. on the other hand, the japanese produce excellent cars, the Mazda, Mitsubishi, Honda etc etc. these are all affordable and practical.
generally i would say the difference between British and Japanese cars is that the British made cars are generally luxury items, but the japanese cars are more 'middle of the road,' so to speak. i will not pass comment on which are 'better' because i believe there is more to a care than simply performance.

Yawn....

Jaguar = Ford

Rolls Royce = BMW

Rover = Honda/BMW

TVR = Fibreglass

...Yawn

by "=" do you mean owned by?
in which case you have failed to realise it really doesnt matter who owns the car companies; the cars are just the same as they would be under British ownership. Royal Enfield owns Heckler and Koch, but the weapons are still german. multinationalism means it doesnt matter who owns what. example, Rover has several factories. one fine day, Hans Von shmuck buys it. the next day, suprise suprise, the cars are exactly the same. oooh funny that isnt it?
give us a break.

...Yaaawn..

BMW = BMW

Ford = Ford

Honda = Honda

TVR = Fibreglass

...yaaawnn..

Who builds and supplies the engines for a start?
LMFAO.
LMFAO.
You're embaressed for me?
TVR not only uses carbon fibre in it's cars but it builds one of only four cars to have an all carbonfibre body.
There's the Ferrari F40, McLaren F1, Merc McLaren SLR and the TVR440R.
The TVR TuscanR also uses carbonfibre and the TVR Typhon (TVR440R road car production model) will also use carbonfibre, it might even have an all carbonfibre body
It is obvious you know nothing about cars, my view on this is further reinforced by the fact that you totally missed the point about fibreglass, it reduces weight and therefore increases speed which is what sports cars are designed to do.
This point would not be missed by a car enthusiast.

Oh my God, Ijust realised-when I said fibreglass he mixed it up with 'carbon fibre'....what's going on?.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Aug 02, 2004.

I'm thinking steel is heavy and therefore by the law of Physics if something lighter is used a higher speed is acheived and I'm also thinking that most supercars use Carbon-fibre.

The "I'm also" and "supercars" give away that I didn't get mixed up. I was A pointing out that fibreglass reduces weight and increases speed and that B most supercars do not "use shitty cheap stuff" they use carbonfibre which is not cheap and is stronger and lighter and therefore not shitty thereby making the point that the best sports cars don't use fibreglass but of course you'd know that, with all your knowledge of cars.
Who builds and supplies the engines for TVR, well TVR would be the answer.
As Brundle said about TVRs "There isn't a single nut, bolt or screw that's not made in Britain".

TVR builds it's own engines. It has designed and built three including it's famous straight 6. But you'd know that of course, Ken
British_Bloke_Mk_II

I, as a car enthusaist, one who actually knows about cars think that British cars are better than Japanese cars.
Japanese cars are generally cheaper but always have inferior performance.

I found a second hand TVR cerbera for less that 15,000 and that car beat a Porsche, a Dodge Viper, A Lotus, A Aston Martin DB7 Vantage and a Westfield.
http ://www. sleepy-fish .com/ images/ videos/ TVRs/ TVR_Griffith_Cerbera .mpg
Just close the gaps.

If you try to put some sort of scale and proportion on performance then TVRs pretty much outperform anyone including every japanese car manufacturer I'm aware of and have a better looking exterior and a better looking and better interior.

TVR builds it's own engines. It has designed and built three (since 2000)including it's famous straight 6.
Carbon fibre and fibre glass are two very different substances,they are not the same.
Oh and...

TVR = SHITE

do you have a problem with TVRs, or are you just racist?
Don't you mean 'racerist'? (-:
Ken_from_Dublin

Where did I say that carbonfibre and fibreglass are the same?
I didn't.
They are used for the same principal in cars, reducing weight.


yeah, TVR, well shite.

2nd at Lemans and they wern't even using their highest performing car.

A production car which has more BHP than most supercars including the Enzo and the porsche carrera GT (almost a 100 BHP more) and it costs 3 times less.
It will be capable of almost 220 MPH, making it the fastest production car in the world an will be able to get from 0-60 in 2.9 seconds.

A car, the Cerbera speed 12 which out accelerates the McLaren F1 and has a higher top speed.

2 all carbonfibre body road production cars with a third on the way.

A 15,000 car capable of beating a Porsche, Dodge Viper, Lotus, DB7 Vantage and a Westfield, some of which cost many times that.

A car that costs 15,000 that can do a standing mile in 31.2 seconds.

brilliant, unique interiors with great looking exterior.

All the hallmarks of a shite car company.

Of course Ken is racist, he won't accept that TVR are practically the best car company around just because they're British.
Just a tosser, who's permenentely wrong, no matter what shite comes out his mouth.

What cars does Ireland even have?
If they do, can they compete with any TVR.
Nope.

BHP per tonne that is.
Which is of course the most important measure and makes those figures even more significant.

"Don't you mean 'racerist'? (-:"

lol.

You can thank Ireland for bringing cars to the masses,Henry Ford was an Irish emigrant to America who mass produced the 'Model T',before this cars were just an expensive curiosity for the wealthy elite.

'EJAY' are anup and coming Irish sports car company and will be unveiling their 'XRB' next spring,and here are its specs;

0-62 in 2.7 seconds

Top speed - 245 mph

Body -all carbon fibre with titanium ten spoke
wheels

Torque - 0ver 800 pounds from the rear wheel drive.

They will blow TVR and any other car out of the water.

I am not racist EP,my favourite tv programme is Top Gear,and Jeremy Clarkson for me is a bit of a genius.
Ken_from_Dublin

I have never heard of this car or even this car company. I have done a google search and I can't even find a company website, even a reference to this car company or the car. I've tried a load of searchs like Ejay Irish car Company, Ejay car company, ejay xrb, searched for the specs. and found nothing. I am hard pushed to believe this car or this car company even exists. And even if it does it exist:

Bugatti already have a superior car, it hasn't been officially tested yet, the EB 16.4 Veyron.

Top Speed = 252 MPH (electronically limited)
it's top speed is believed to be around 262 MPH but they couldn't find a strong enough chasis.

Koeniggsegg are also developing their CC which will have similar specs.

The Americans are also developing a couple of supercars which also have superior specs.

I don't know if TVR have anything lined up but 2.5 MPH faster and 0.2 seconds faster 0-60 is hardly blowing it out of the water. Anyway everyone knows that 0-100 is the most important acceleration time, which TVR continue to own and probably even with these additions will continue to own.
TVRs such as the cerbera still acheive victories against cars with higher top speeds simply because they are faster accelerating.

For me Jeremy Clarkson is a bit of an idiot.
I would sooner trust Hammond and probably May.

I was only joking,I made it up.

Sorry for wasting your time on the google search. (-:

finally, we are chilling out, homies. lol
I was never unchilled.
I am always confident in my arguements otherwise I wouldn't post them
Whenever on this site have you seen me start verbal slurs except when the point of the post is to piss someone of and not make any point at all.

ah c'mon EP,don't stop now,I was enjoying our light hearted verbal (written,but you know what I mean) duel )-;
green
sorry, just testing HTML.
links don't even work here, what the hell made you think html would
woow calm down, man. i was just testing. hehe.
that wasn't even a partially angry post so I don't need to calm it.
yeah i know, it just seemed a little hastey; ie what the HELL???!?!?!?! hehe
wtf?
Now, you're in Ireland you'll have to get used to that and those outbursts
hehe. are you shit stirring, or what?
dont worry, everyone fits in eventually.
Mia,where did you go??Stay in Cali.We can have fun together.We should go to Venice beach.Why do you wanna go back to Blackpool?You need to get over punk ass Ross.He will drag you down.You belong here babygirl.
You don't know me.So shut the fuck up.I've known Mia since she was 14.I supported her until her parents took her away from me.I was 14 too.So just go fuck yourself huh?
christ, social tension.
Anyone wana fight?
Absolute Shower!
the p-38 is sweet
Britain should have aborted the US whilst it was still a foetus.
We should have let Hitler take care of Euroep and not send in any aid or men =). we should have let the Soviets take over Western Europe. We should not have done the marshall plan to rebuild Europe.
Oh come ON, RR - you're not stupid, so you probably know that a) Germany declared war on you, i.e you weren't left with an option but to fight the Nazis and b) the carve-up of post-WWII Europe was all about power politics, no way was the US going to allow the Soviets to have complete control of Europe. And both directly (in interest payments) and indirectly (developing
markets for US business), your nation made a FORTUNE from the Marshall Plan.

Thing is that the Nazis weren't the only enemy in WWII. We wanted to focus on Japan 1st even though Germany decalred war on us. We helped you guys out in Europe because Churchill really wanted us to. Sure WWII got us out of the depression, but like I will always say, it was team effort of Britain, Russia and the U.S.

PS: I still think spitfires were better than messerschmidt, not only because of RADAR and more expirenced men.

You're entitled to your beliefs, but if I were you I'd challenge them a little more by research. You may be surprised at the outcome.
England_patriot I have said some nasy things to you out of defense before but in reality to put your mind at rest Americans as a whole do not ponder weather they saved Britian during WWII. Mostly becasue they don't care. So stop worrying about it.
O and England_patriot you were saying before that people have begun to hate America based on what they read here..well there is far more anti American things on here than any other.
^ not to comment 3 tiems in a row but after reading all of this shit how do you Euro bastards plan to make the EU work? All you do is fight each other. Then while your not at each other's necks you throw a random punch to some outside country liek the US or China, Japan..Have you guys learned anything?
I agree with USrocks on that. Apart from the economical side the EU is pritty useless.
^Yep, completely true.
Well I suppose we do have more wankers. But we also have 5 times your population.
As for WW2, I know US movies piss you off but as far as the general public is concerned we don't talk about it. I don't think anyone really cares. It was just a war we got dragged into.





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