WHY CAN'T HEZBOLLAH JUST LIVE IN PEACE WITH ISRAEL? #2

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WHY CAN'T HEZBOLLAH JUST LIVE IN PEACE WITH ISRAEL? #2


[+] serious ballot by herzog
created Fri Aug 11, 06

"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli"
- Hassan Nasrallah

At least he doesn't try to hide behind the old "I'm anti-zionist not anti-semitic" routine.


"Anyone who reads the Koran and the holy writings of the monotheistic religions sees what they did to the prophets, and what acts of madness and slaughter the Jews carried out throughout history... Anyone who reads these texts cannot think of co-existence with them, of peace with them, or about accepting their presence, not only in Palestine of 1948 but even in a small village in Palestine, because they are a cancer which is liable to spread again at any moment..."

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This is the leader of hezbollah.

To everyone who says hezbollah is merely fighting for independence, not out of any hatred of the jews (zionists maybe, but never the jews), will this change your opinion?

Yes, they do seem like an anit-semitic terrorist group bent on wiping out the jews
No I won't change my opinion because I always knew this
No I won't change my opinion, they are freedom fighters and most certainly not anti-semites
in comparison to Israel's govt, they're saints


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Well that's one charity organization that I'll be damned if I ever give money to.
by Grumpy_Person on Fri Aug 11, 06 8:41pm [+]

Who says Hezbollah is merely fighting for independence? No one has said that, what's being implied that, in comparision to a powerful military, such as the Israeli military, Hezbollah is a ragtag army, and many civilian deaths on the Lebanse side have resulted from the Israeli incursion.
by aya on Fri Aug 11, 06 8:43pm [+]

And unfortunately, I think support is growing for Hezbollah, Lebanese are growing angrier by the incursion, and even those who didn't support Nasrallah are starting to, even those who aren't religious. I think the incursions have now had the opposite effect.
by aya on Fri Aug 11, 06 8:49pm [+]

These ballots are getting ridiculous at this point. This topic is old and has been debated more than enough for a while on here. Get a new topic or find a new site.
by patch22us on Fri Aug 11, 06 9:10pm [+]

Is this hatred of the Jews generated before or after the creation of the state of Israel? I don't know what to tell you other than it is you who seems very obsessed with this issue and idea. Why is that? I think most of us cannot understand why you parade these "ballots" out time and again. For what?

Look Herzog, in my opinion, this is what you're all about and what you do.

There is Group A and Group B. You ultimately hate both groups, but you hate group B more. Group A and Group B also hate each other. So, since like you, Group A despised Group B, you will align yourself with Group A, ONLY because to you, since you hate Group B more, it is convenient for YOU to side with Group A...its all about YOUR mutual hatred.

Its like you are fixated on this to the point of it being unhealthy.

I for one minute do NOT believe you care at all for the Jews or Israel. In fact, I think that your hatred for all people Arab/Muslim (dark skin) is so deep in you, that you use the Jews and Israel as your one way to strike out at them. In a sense you hold the Jews/Israel up only as a way to validate your utter and complete hatred for the Arabs and Muslims.

Sorry, but that is how it comes across. You use every opportunity to say "Oh, the poor Jews!" And you usually do it in very inappropriate situations, which demonstrates insincerity and is kind of like over-kill.

See, I think most people look at the situation and say "neither side is really helping their cause very much." And thats true. Israel actions are NOT helping, and the actions of some Arab nations, ALL terrorists and ALL radical Muslims is also NOT helping.

But, most normal people also recognize that all parties involved are just human beings...with the same fears and needs and hopes that all of us have. So instead of recognizing this, what does a country like the USA do? They blatantly show favoritism to Israel, which just makes the Arabs/Muslims angry...and rightfully so.

When you pose questions/issues like this one, what is your motivation? More importantly, what is you desired outcome? I mean do you think you are going to change any of our minds? No, you're not. In fact, you're having the opposite effect of what you want. And what do you want? Do you wants us and everyone to just say "you're right! Nuke all Arabs and burn all Muslims now!" Thats the only thing that comes to mind here, becuase you keep posing the same questions over and over and over again and I just don't see what the result is supposed to be.

Can you maybe enlighten all of us as to what you hope for?

To keep posting the same ballots over and over and over again is just creepy at this point.


Oh, and please, do not repsond back with your usual "So Patch, you're saying.....blah, blah, blah"

Just answer my question.
by patch22us on Fri Aug 11, 06 9:28pm [+]

I can only hope Israel will not be coerced into a cease fire by the sh*tbags in the U.N.
by lowerclassbrats on Fri Aug 11, 06 9:35pm [+]

Well bad news there LCB. They agreed to the cease fire and if you watched the news, you'd know that it was NOT the UN that set it up, it was the resolution brought about by the United States and France.

Don't blame the UN on this one...if you're unhappy about it, blame the USA and France :)

So I guess you like the idea of more death on both sides? Hmmm, thats kind of evil.
by patch22us on Fri Aug 11, 06 9:51pm [+]

Perhaps I should focus on making ballots comparing bush to hitler, or some topic concerning michael jackson?

The sad fact is that the atrocities of hezbollah are by and large ignored on this site, in favor of many more ballots attacking israel.

But we should all just go with the flow, no one point out that hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Israel is at fault for all the problems in the world, well the jews and bush of course. Only make ballots about how evil those two groups are.
by herzog on Sat Aug 12, 06 1:06am [+]

" And unfortunately, I think support is growing for Hezbollah, Lebanese are growing angrier by the incursion, and even those who didn't support Nasrallah are starting to, even those who aren't religious. I think the incursions have now had the opposite effect. "

On the other hand, you have many voices in Lebanon, expressing a view in which Hezbollah is responsible for the damage, because it was reluctant to give up its weapons, both after the 1989 Lebanese war cease fire agreement, and after the Israeli withdrawal in 2000, and UN resolution 1559.

That's a shame that some Lebanese interpert the recent events the way you suggested, but they must understand that if their country allows terrorist groups to operate from within their country, their country and them may get hurt when the attacked nations will retaliate. And have no doubt about it, when it was Palestinian groups initiating terrorist attacks on Israel in the 1970's and 1980's the population who sufferred from the Israeli retaliation did largely supported Israel, and even brought to war with the Palestinian terrorist groups, a war that evolved to a Lebanese civil war, when the Sunnis, who weren't affected by israel's retaliations, stood by the Palestinians terrorist organizations.
by Yosi on Sat Aug 12, 06 1:57am [+]

Perhaps I should focus on making ballots comparing bush to hitler, or some topic concerning michael jackson?

The sad fact is that the atrocities of hezbollah are by and large ignored on this site, in favor of many more ballots attacking israel.

But we should all just go with the flow, no one point out that hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Israel is at fault for all the problems in the world, well the jews and bush of course. Only make ballots about how evil those two groups are.
by herzog on Aug 12, 2006 1:06am


Thats just ridiculous. Seriously, its just absurd. You have got to stop this Herzog. This habit you have of writing things like: "Israel is at fault for all the problems in the world, well the jews and bush of course."

You use that tactic far too much and no one is falling for it anymore. You're doing it to create a controversy where none exists. Its extreme and its not true and it's clear to people that you're trying to use a first strike type argument.

In other words, by twisting words and hurling an accusation like that, its like a pre-emptive strike against your oppoenent. Your goal seems to be to cast those who disagree with you in a negative light FIRST, no matter how untrue the allegation, and you do so by using a very emotional and very sensitive subject....anti-Semitism.

Its almost like you have this complex. The fact is, no one on here denies that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. No one denies that they're tactics and methods are horrendous. What we do deny is this whole idea that Israel and the USA and even the UK are without fault.

How about you and those of like mind...when you're accused of being a racist, you get all worked up and yell that you're not. Oddly, you don't seem to have a problem saying and advancing the idea that "All Arabs are at fault for all the problems in the world, well the Muslims and Iran of course. Only make ballots about how evil those groups are."

You say there are lots of Israel bashing ballots? No, there are not. What makes you mad is that when you and your type create ballots totally bashing ALL Arabs and Muslims, people participating on your ballots point out the faults of the Israeli's and the United States as well. Thats what you really mean...that when you see you're not getting the types of replies YOU want, you create these irrational ballots and manage to work in things like "but I know you all just want to burn the Jews and destroy Israel." We ALL see through it now Herzog.

A reasonable person is one who says "look, there are major faults on both sides. No one is blameless in this." A reasonable person also asks "what about our foreign policy is making the situation worse." A normal thinking person asks "what can be done to protect Israel and the Israeli people, while at the same time, eliminating the the reasons for anger on the part of Israel's Arab neighbors?" A normal thinking person recognized that to take sides in something like this just makes it worse...you know, sort of like how the USA does and ALWAYS makes things worse for ALL concerned.

You're a hypocrit because you accuse "others" of being anti Israel, when you're the one never missing an opportunity to totally bash and attack Arabs and Muslims. Maybe YOU are the one with the problem.

by patch22us on Sat Aug 12, 06 6:07am [+]

"Please never engage with me in any way, ever again. I've decided that people like you are not worth my time."
by herzog on Sat Aug 12, 06 8:31am [+]

Because it is in our nature to destroy ourselves. (T2)
by Applerod on Sat Aug 12, 06 9:51am [+]

Voted : Yes, they do seem like an anit-semitic terrorist group bent on wiping out the jews
They are anti-semetic, and given when the oppurtunity they are anti-Christian and anti-Sunni Islam.

And they are not 'fighting for independence'. When they crossed the border to kidnap soldiers, Israel had long ago withdrawn all their troops from Lebanese territory.
by xxxxxxxx on Sat Aug 12, 06 10:45am [+]

"Please never engage with me in any way, ever again. I've decided that people like you are not worth my time."
by herzog on Aug 12, 2006 8:31am

Oh, how original. Thats right. I meant in messages and such. Tough luck if you don't like opposing view points. Seems to me, you feel entitled to post what ever you want, and that somehow you should be exempt from having opposing views posted on your ballots. Sorry. But if you post, I will debunk. Have a great day! :)
by patch22us on Sat Aug 12, 06 10:59am [+]

Voted : Yes, they do seem like an anit-semitic terrorist group bent on wiping out the jews
Of course they hate Jews. That is why they don't care at all where their missiles hit. Rather than collateral damage killing civilians, their goal is killing civilians and any other Jews.

Patch, if you find these ballots boring, you can always ignore them.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sat Aug 12, 06 7:51pm [+]

" in comparison to Israel's govt, they're saints"

Seeing this choice leading shows the anti-semitic tilt of this website. That is just a totally ignorant thing to vote for. Israel isn't attempting to annihilate all the Muslims in the mid-east. They certainly could if they wanted to (with nukes), but they don't.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sat Aug 12, 06 7:53pm [+]

Patch, if you find these ballots boring, you can always ignore them.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Aug 12, 2006 7:51pm

Gee, thanks FiddleFaddle. But I have as much right as anyone to express my view. We share this site and LCD himself has stated very clearly that he is tired of them as well. Take a hint. :) You're obsessed with them, so I can relate to why you show up on them. Thanks again for the sound advice FiddleFaddle! :) But I'll pass.
by patch22us on Sat Aug 12, 06 8:09pm [+]

Oh and Fiddle, how do you know they hate Jews? Do you have a complex too? Maybe they just hate Israeli's?? Could be, right? I mean if Israel was populated by Oompa Loompas, maybe they'd hate the Oompa Loompas as well? Not everything is about some perceived hatered of Jews. Right? I think the boy cried wolf once too often. :)
by patch22us on Sat Aug 12, 06 8:11pm [+]

"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli"
by herzog on Sun Aug 13, 06 7:47pm [+]






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