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Meg: " 1) Bush is out to steal oil 2) Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons 3) All these problems arise from a poor understanding of their culture, getting to know one another will solve the conflict. 4) Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq just for the fun of it 5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions 6) America is an evil police state 7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' healthcare. " Are hardly rightwing conservative talking points. THat's why it is a liberal thing. When I see them parroting back every poster, comment, or t-shirt that leans to the right then I will accuse them of playing to the american right. As is they are using obviously leftwing talking points, taken from any number of liberal speeches, billboards, websites, etc.
And since it was on an american channel, in english, to be view in america, I think his target audience was america, not the entire world. The rest I could maybe excuse, but sticking in the jail and healthcare stats at the end? That was just too obvious.
Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
Are you? I've tried side stepping political ballots for over two years now... even leaving the site for over a year... changed my lifestyle drastically... moved 3000 miles to live in a bohemian culture, distraught with this administrations decisions, (NOT ALL REPUBLICANS) but definitely this administration, and it's hard core followers. I will admit, I don't read much you've authored, anymore (but it's a slow night here at work, and here, at B&W)... I accepted long ago that we have very different views and I'm not looking for a battle... I get the point of your ballot, but can you see where even a middlest liberal can relate to many of these points? Question... ever look back and think, for the conservative agenda, there could have been a much better route?
by MO_ on Mon Aug 14, 06 5:50pm
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Nope.... I dont think anyone american in this ballot cares what that terrorist has to say. Of course he wants to spread hate upon the U.S cause he knows his country is next to get messed up. How is he gonna talk crap on our country about our health care when his people live in sand dried brick.
The Iranians have become very good at PR. I don't think that the American Right are buying it, so I am thinking that if anyone is sympathetic to them it would be the left. They all seem to despise both Israel and America which conincides with what the Iranians.
He probably is, but I think that is what is known as politics. The politics of fear is used by the Left and the Right in this country and its used by politicians in every country. We use it in our foreign relations, as evidenced by Bush always talking about this threat and that threat to us and Europe. And he is forever lecturing Russia on how they should do this and do that. Its just politics as usual and not all that shocking. Another user on here told me that for years Democrats have used the fear tactic of "If you elect Republicans, old people will have to eat dog food" (yuck!) and Republicans have always said "If you elect Democrats, the Red hoarde of communism will invade!" (now they say terrorists or Mulsim hoardes). Of course he was appealing to a certain mind-set, but not just Liberals, since many on the right are mad at Bush too. His message was to anyone who is unhappy with the way things are. Did you know that in Iran, women and Jewish people are part of their government?
These statements do play into what many leftists believe. 1) Bush is out to steal oil Yes, many on the left believe this. Just read the comments on this site or the comments on leftists blogs. The statement is False though. The US would much rather buy it from countries led by decent and sane leaders. That means a secure source when you do this. 2) Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons HAHAHAHA Yes, a number of leftists actually believe this. 3) All these problems arise from a poor understanding of their culture, getting to know one another will solve the conflict. Yes, there is a segment on the left who believe in this moral equivalency argument. To counter I would ask:Did World War 2 result from a poor understanding of German culture? Would getting to know each other have helped? Sometimes it is because you understand their culture and goals that leads to conflict. 4) Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq just for the fun of it For the fun of it? Hardly. Oppress? If you call democracy oppression. This does not mean that the war was a mistake based on bad intelligence. 5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions Of course many will claim this especially on the left. However I believe that EVERYONE is responsible for their own actions. No one MAKES you do anything. No one forces you to respond in a certain way. You always have control over how you respond. And you must take responsibility for anything that results from these actions. 6) America is an evil police state Of course, I can hear it now. A police state was: Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, East Germany, China, oh.... and IRAN. 7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' health care. Foolish perhaps. Dumb perhaps... Evil because of this? No. Many think that countries in the middle-east are not good at propaganda. That is very wrong.
Did you see the interview Fiddle, or are you responding to the way the questions are being asked by Herzog? I saw it and I didn't hear him use a lot of the words that are being used in this ballot. You need to seperate the actual quotes from the interview from Herzog's commentary. I'm surprised at you. Try to open your mind to see there is a difference between what Herzog is presenting and what was actually said. So you know, Ahmadinejad never said: Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq "just for the fun of it" 5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions 6) America is an evil police state 7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' healthcare. Now given all of Herzog's ballots on a biased media, can't you see that his added words totally change the real words of the interview?
I don't think the Iranian President cares about what anybody has too say let alone the leftwing of American politics.He just wants to demonize America and every opportunity he has to do that he will.
You seem so bitter lately Fiddle. Whats wrong? Smile! :)
Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
Of course, why wouldn't they utilize the useful idiot sect of the American media.
Hmm seems like this all happened before in Europe around 1939, oh never mind.
Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
Yes, although that may not be the main point of what he's doing by saying that, I do believe he is appealing to some American liberals.
Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
But I think more specifically the far left. The far far left. I was speaking to these Marxists the other day, and they openly said that they would be interested in a Socialist-Islamist partnership, not so much to actually really support each other, but in having a mutual interest in challenging the status-quo... It is by no coincidence that Venezuela's Socialist Chavez and fascistic China have been snuggling up with Islamist Iran.
oh, patch: Are you much more than 14 years old? Go sit at the kid's table.
Thats it. Thats the last insult I will take on this site. Dazzle one minute you're nice to me and then you turn on me. One minute you're treating me like a regular person and the next you're not. Fine. Goodbye.
You know ... it doesn't matter. And it still doesn't salvage contemptible positions and policies. If Satan himself said something was wrong, it doesn't mean, de facto, that he is mistaken.
But I gues sthis is a risk when arrogant ideologues start a war ... 1. Without bipartisan support 2. And use it as a partisan issue. Then suddenly they whine about how others 'undermine their support?!?' Trying to tie disdain for Opposition to Support for Bad Policies is reprehensible.
Those assertions can make complete sense to anyone irregardless of whether the are left-wing or right-wing but yes they probably find many more sympathisisers on the left, me amongst them However the questionaskers assertions although well deduced clearly demonstrate a right-wing sympathy, perhaps you are pandering to the right-wing of best and worst? In which case what is your point about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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