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ARE THE IRANIANS PLAYING TO THE AMERICAN LEFT?


[+] serious ballot by herzog
created Mon Aug 14, 06

From a CBS interview with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:

"We think that Mr. Bush's team and the parties that support him want to monopolize energy resources in the world. Because once they have that they can impose their opinions, points of view, policies on other nations and, of course, line their own pockets."

. . . .

Basically we are not looking for — working for the bomb," the president said. "The problem that President Bush has is in his mind he wants to solve everything with bombs. The time of the bomb is in the past. It's behind us. Today is the era of thoughts, dialogue and cultural exchanges."

. . . .
"Well, if an atrocity was committed in Germany or Europe for that matter, why should the Palestinians answer for this?" the president asked. "They had no role to play in this. Why on the pretext of the Holocaust they have occupied Palestine? Millions of people have been made refugees. Thousands of people to-date have been killed, sir. Thousands of people have been put in prison. Well, at the very moment, a great war is raging because of that."
. . . . .

Instead of security, he says the United States is oppressing Iraq, and instead of calling the United States, "the great Satan," as the Ayatollah Khomeini did, Ahmadinejad calls the United States "the great oppressor." "We are opposed to oppression," the president told Wallace. "We support whoever is victimized and oppressed even the oppressed people of the U.S." A senior European diplomat in Tehran told Wallace that Iran's president feels the United States should be confronted in Iraq — and around the world — because he truly believes that the U.S. government is against Islam, and the developing world, that America keeps pushing Iran and other countries around, and he is determined to push back.
. . . .
"I think that Mr. Bush can be in the service of his own people," Ahmadinejad said. "He can save the American economy using appropriate methodologies without killing people, innocents, without occupation, without threats. I am very saddened to hear that 1 percent of the total population is in prison. And 45 million people don't have a health care cover. That is very sad to hear."

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So:

1) Bush is out to steal oil
2) Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons
3) All these problems arise from a poor understanding of their culture, getting to know one another will solve the conflict.
4) Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq just for the fun of it
5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions
6) America is an evil police state
7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' healthcare.

Are any one of these 7 talking points distinct from what democrats have been saying for years?

This man isn't dumb, he hires advisors educated in america, they know how to play to their market and the american people are their market.

Now, I don't want a debate on the merits or faults of those points, merely, was his speech designed in such a way to hit all those sensitive topics to gain support among american liberals?

Yes, he is pandering to the american left
No, it's just a remarkable coincidence that he hit all those points


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COMMENTS:
Meg:
" 1) Bush is out to steal oil
2) Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons
3) All these problems arise from a poor understanding of their culture, getting to know one another will solve the conflict.
4) Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq just for the fun of it
5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions
6) America is an evil police state
7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' healthcare. "

Are hardly rightwing conservative talking points. THat's why it is a liberal thing. When I see them parroting back every poster, comment, or t-shirt that leans to the right then I will accuse them of playing to the american right. As is they are using obviously leftwing talking points, taken from any number of liberal speeches, billboards, websites, etc.
by herzog on Mon Aug 14, 06 5:13pm [+]

And since it was on an american channel, in english, to be view in america, I think his target audience was america, not the entire world.

The rest I could maybe excuse, but sticking in the jail and healthcare stats at the end? That was just too obvious.
by herzog on Mon Aug 14, 06 5:14pm [+]

Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
Are you? I've tried side stepping political ballots for over two years now... even leaving the site for over a year... changed my lifestyle drastically... moved 3000 miles to live in a bohemian culture, distraught with this administrations decisions, (NOT ALL REPUBLICANS) but definitely this administration, and it's hard core followers. I will admit, I don't read much you've authored, anymore (but it's a slow night here at work, and here, at B&W)... I accepted long ago that we have very different views and I'm not looking for a battle... I get the point of your ballot, but can you see where even a middlest liberal can relate to many of these points? Question... ever look back and think, for the conservative agenda, there could have been a much better route?
by MO_ on Mon Aug 14, 06 5:50pm [+]

Nope.... I dont think anyone american in this ballot cares what that terrorist has to say. Of course he wants to spread hate upon the U.S cause he knows his country is next to get messed up. How is he gonna talk crap on our country about our health care when his people live in sand dried brick.
by US_MarineCorp69 on Mon Aug 14, 06 6:04pm [+]

The Iranians have become very good at PR. I don't think that the American Right are buying it, so I am thinking that if anyone is sympathetic to them it would be the left. They all seem to despise both Israel and America which conincides with what the Iranians.
by Noblese_Oblige on Mon Aug 14, 06 6:15pm [+]

He probably is, but I think that is what is known as politics. The politics of fear is used by the Left and the Right in this country and its used by politicians in every country. We use it in our foreign relations, as evidenced by Bush always talking about this threat and that threat to us and Europe. And he is forever lecturing Russia on how they should do this and do that. Its just politics as usual and not all that shocking.

Another user on here told me that for years Democrats have used the fear tactic of "If you elect Republicans, old people will have to eat dog food" (yuck!) and Republicans have always said "If you elect Democrats, the Red hoarde of communism will invade!" (now they say terrorists or Mulsim hoardes). Of course he was appealing to a certain mind-set, but not just Liberals, since many on the right are mad at Bush too. His message was to anyone who is unhappy with the way things are. Did you know that in Iran, women and Jewish people are part of their government?
by patch22us on Mon Aug 14, 06 6:51pm [+]

These statements do play into what many leftists believe.
1) Bush is out to steal oil
Yes, many on the left believe this. Just read the comments on this site or the comments on leftists blogs. The statement is False though. The US would much rather buy it from countries led by decent and sane leaders. That means a secure source when you do this.
2) Iran has no interest in nuclear weapons
HAHAHAHA Yes, a number of leftists actually believe this.
3) All these problems arise from a poor understanding of their culture, getting to know one another will solve the conflict. Yes, there is a segment on the left who believe in this moral equivalency argument. To counter I would ask:Did World War 2 result from a poor understanding of German culture? Would getting to know each other have helped? Sometimes it is because you understand their culture and goals that leads to conflict.
4) Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq just for the fun of it
For the fun of it? Hardly. Oppress? If you call democracy oppression. This does not mean that the war was a mistake based on bad intelligence.
5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions
Of course many will claim this especially on the left. However I believe that EVERYONE is responsible for their own actions. No one MAKES you do anything. No one forces you to respond in a certain way. You always have control over how you respond. And you must take responsibility for anything that results from these actions.
6) America is an evil police state
Of course, I can hear it now. A police state was: Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, East Germany, China, oh.... and IRAN.
7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' health care. Foolish perhaps. Dumb perhaps... Evil because of this? No.

Many think that countries in the middle-east are not good at propaganda. That is very wrong.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Aug 14, 06 7:16pm [+]

Did you see the interview Fiddle, or are you responding to the way the questions are being asked by Herzog? I saw it and I didn't hear him use a lot of the words that are being used in this ballot. You need to seperate the actual quotes from the interview from Herzog's commentary. I'm surprised at you.

Try to open your mind to see there is a difference between what Herzog is presenting and what was actually said. So you know, Ahmadinejad never said:

Bush is out to oppress the people of Iraq "just for the fun of it"

5) Israel is an evil oppressor of the poor palestinians, who bear no blame for their actions

6) America is an evil police state

7) America is an evil nation for it's lack of 'free' healthcare.

Now given all of Herzog's ballots on a biased media, can't you see that his added words totally change the real words of the interview?
by patch22us on Mon Aug 14, 06 7:27pm [+]

I don't think the Iranian President cares about what anybody has too say let alone the leftwing of American politics.He just wants to demonize America and every opportunity he has to do that he will.
by Corrupt on Mon Aug 14, 06 7:27pm [+]

You seem so bitter lately Fiddle. Whats wrong? Smile! :)
by patch22us on Mon Aug 14, 06 7:27pm [+]

Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
Of course, why wouldn't they utilize the useful idiot sect of the American media.
by lowerclassbrats on Mon Aug 14, 06 8:03pm [+]

Hmm seems like this all happened before in Europe around 1939, oh never mind.
by lowerclassbrats on Mon Aug 14, 06 8:06pm [+]

Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
Yes, although that may not be the main point of what he's doing by saying that, I do believe he is appealing to some American liberals.
by himself809 on Mon Aug 14, 06 9:27pm [+]

Voted : Yes, he is pandering to the american left
But I think more specifically the far left. The far far left.

I was speaking to these Marxists the other day, and they openly said that they would be interested in a Socialist-Islamist partnership, not so much to actually really support each other, but in having a mutual interest in challenging the status-quo... It is by no coincidence that Venezuela's Socialist Chavez and fascistic China have been snuggling up with Islamist Iran.
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Aug 15, 06 1:18am [+]

oh, patch: Are you much more than 14 years old? Go sit at the kid's table.
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Aug 15, 06 7:49am [+]

Thats it. Thats the last insult I will take on this site. Dazzle one minute you're nice to me and then you turn on me. One minute you're treating me like a regular person and the next you're not. Fine. Goodbye.
by patch22us on Tue Aug 15, 06 8:07am [+]

You know ... it doesn't matter. And it still doesn't salvage contemptible positions and policies.

If Satan himself said something was wrong, it doesn't mean, de facto, that he is mistaken.
by Cathexis on Tue Aug 15, 06 4:50pm [+]

But I gues sthis is a risk when arrogant ideologues start a war ...

1. Without bipartisan support

2. And use it as a partisan issue.

Then suddenly they whine about how others 'undermine their support?!?' rolleyes

Trying to tie disdain for Opposition to Support for Bad Policies is reprehensible.
by Cathexis on Tue Aug 15, 06 4:52pm [+]

Those assertions can make complete sense to anyone irregardless of whether the are left-wing or right-wing but yes they probably find many more sympathisisers on the left, me amongst them However the questionaskers assertions although well deduced clearly demonstrate a right-wing sympathy, perhaps you are pandering to the right-wing of best and worst? In which case what is your point about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
by England_Patriot on Fri Nov 24, 06 1:30pm [+]

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