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SHOULD THE U.S. DO TO PAKISTAN WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE TO LEBANON?

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SHOULD THE U.S. DO TO PAKISTAN WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE TO LEBANON?


[+] serious ballot by cranky
ACTIVE Mon Aug 21, 06 - Sat May 16, 09

"Pakistan will need to carry out a U-turn in its policy of support for the Taliban if it is to regain the West's confidence and end its present diplomatic isolation. The stark policy choices the military faces may also require a complete turnaround from twenty years of clandestine support to jihadi parties and the growth of a jihadi culture, which has sustained its policies in Kashmir and Central Asia.

After having spent the past seven years providing every conceivable form of military, political and financial support to the Taliban, Pakistan is now essentially being asked by Washington to help the US bomb the Taliban leadership, along with their guest Osama bin Laden, and topple the Taliban regime." (The Nation)

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The situation in Lebanon and the one in Pakistan are remarkably similar. In Pakistan, like Lebanon, an Islamic terrorist group and government within a government (the Taliban) is attacking its neighbor (Afghanistan) and wanting to destroy its government. Except with Pakistan, it's even worse, because Taliban fighters are pouring over the border as an actual guerilla invasion force.

Also, the U.S. has long been pressuring the Pakistani government for years to disarm the Taliban, as Israel did with Lebanon, to no avail.

Doesn't the U.S. have the same right to defend itself, i.e. destroy the terrorists who want to destroy the U.S. and its ally, Afghanistan, as the Israelis claim they had in dealing with Lebanon?

If so, then should the U.S. do as Israel did and start missile attacks and an invasion of Pakistan?

Yes, the U.S. should start attacking Pakistan
No, the U.S. should continue to negotiate with Pakistan


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COMMENTS:
Wow cranky, that is an old article you cut and pasted from without credit (something you get on herzog's case about all the time. (The Nation, September 20, 2001).

This is a really weak argument you make. Pakistan's government is not partially composed of the Taliban. In fact, it is a de facto dictatorship that would like very much to wipe out the remnants of the Taliban and other extremist groups. Pakistan is also ACTIVELY COOPERATELY with the US, UK and other western countries in stamping out Islamic terrorism. See the recent hijacking plot for an example. Why would the US bomb Pakistan when Pakistan is making every reasonable effort to cooperate?

If the Lebanese government had been helping to get rid of Hezbollah and providing intelligence information to Israel regarding any imminent terrorist attacks, Israel would have had no reason to do anything because the Lebanese government would have had some control over the situation at the very least (or cooperated with Israel if any action needed to be taken). Perhaps if Lebanon had provided Israel with information that Hezbollah was going to try to kidnap Israeli soldiers there wouldn't have been a war.

A little inconvenient fact you miss is that Pakistan began actively working with the US after 9/11. That is why there is a good relationship there and several terrorist plots have been foiled. Perhaps the Lebanese government can learn from this and expel the Hezbollah terrorists (I know, saying the same thing twice) and cooperate with Israel on restoring stability in the region and FULL sovereignty in Lebanon to its government (minus Hezbollah).

If Pakistan HAD continued to support the Taliban and housed Osama Bin Laden, then US would have some justification in taking out a government that was actively supporting a group committing large-scale terrorist attacks against the US and other western countries.

Apples and oranges. Really, really weak.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Aug 21, 06 3:15pm [+]

You mean defend itself against it?

No. The Pakistanis haven't invaded the US. Maybe you are thinking of Britain.
by Noblese_Oblige on Mon Aug 21, 06 6:38pm [+]

Fiddle:

If you will look at the end of the quote, it clearly says, in parentheses, The Nation. And I've never criticized your Kool-Aid Guru for not printing the date. I've only been critical of him when he hasn't stated the source of his out-of-context cut-and-paste jobs.

And if non-citation of sources bothers you so much, why haven't you ever criticized your neocon boyfriend for it any of the fifty times he's done it?

And the article is an analysis, not news. And the fact that five years later, the situation hasn't changed one bit is simply an obvious indication of another total failure by the Bush Administration.

And you might note that you Kool-Aid guru just put up a ballot on global cooling, a concept that went out of favor over thirty years ago. I don't see you criticizing him for that.

"Pakistan's government is not partially composed of the Taliban."

Not so, many areas along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border are COMPLETELY controlled by the Taliban. Many others are run by Taliban sympathizers. And the national government of Pakistan is riddled with pro-Taliban officials. That's one reason why Pakistan hasn't been able to address the Taliban situation: they are afraid the government will come apart and devolve into civil war.

"Why would the US bomb Pakistan when Pakistan is making every reasonable effort to cooperate?"

You mean selling nuclear technology to evil governments all over the world, including Iran, and allowing the Taliban, and Osama Bin Laden to operate freely along the Afghani border? Only a Bushie neocon would buy the big lie that Pakistan is fully cooperating with the U.S.

Despite the rest of your Israel-first, pro-Bush drivel, the parallels are there.
by cranky on Mon Aug 21, 06 7:40pm [+]






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