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COMMENTS:
nope, because america did not annex europe and kept them in little concentration camps.
Arabs didn't start threatening jews before the zionists went over there to take their land apparantly.
by LCD on Fri Aug 25, 06 3:55pm
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It is proof that we were fortunate enough not to have fighting on our own soil. In no way were Hitler and Tojo were the victims.
Threatening?
I could go on and on about the very poor treatment of Jews in Arab countries prior to the reestablishment of Israel in 1948. Everything from terrorist attacks, dhimmitude, dumping trash on Jews at the wailing wall, destruction of Jewish holy sites, etc. That Jews and Muslims got along before 1948 is an utter myth.
Here are a few quotes:
November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson: "Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty."
When Hitler introduced the Nuremberg racial laws in 1935, he received telegrams of congratulation from all corners of the Arab world. Later, during the war, one of his most ardent supporters was the Mufti of Jerusalem.
Zionism
When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay." - Hope Simpson Report, p. 51.
In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer. - Avneri, pp. 149-158; Cohen, p. 37; based on the Report on Agricultural Development and Land Settlement in Palestine by Lewis French, (December 1931, Supplementary; Report, April 1932) and material submitted to the Palestine Royal Commission.
In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price." - Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs: From Peace to War, (London: Oxford University Press, 1985), p. 32.
Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (emphasis in the original) - King Abdallah, My Memoirs Completed, (London, Longman Group, Ltd., 1978), pp. 88-89.
Voted : No, america was clearly on the good side in that war
Everyone's a victim when it comes to war, but if I had to choose a "good guy" of WWII, it would be America/the Allies.
No, America was the good guys because they all wore white hats and voted Republican.
"Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson: "Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty."
Is that why Republicans have made Saudi Arabia one of our top allies, and the Bush family has spent years groveling at the feet of the leading members of the House of Saud?
And invading another country to steal their oil doesn't necessarily make you the "good guys."
And Bush, under any circumstances, is no "good guy."
This. Is. About. World. War. Two.
No. It's. Not.
It's. a. cheesy. attempt. to. draw. a. parallel. between. America's. heroic. behavior. in W.W. II. and Bush's. immoral. Iraq. War.
Read. between. the. lines.
Of. course. it. could. also. be. a. cheesy. attempt. to. draw. a. parallel. between. America's. heroic. behavior. in W.W. II. and. Israel's. fascistic. behavior. in. Lebanon.
Maybe. It. Is. Periods. Are. Cool. Don't. You. Think. So? It. Is. A. Pretty. Bad. Comparison. Anyway. So. Why. Even. Address. It?
^You. are. right. periods. are. cool.
And. I. agree. it. is. a. bad. comparison. so may. not. have. been. worth. my. time.
So I think the consensus here is that simply killing more civilians does not make that side the evil aggressors, nor does losing the most make you the victims.
Take from this what you will.
'nope, because america did not annex europe and kept them in little concentration camps.'
Well we did keep military bases in their countries until today, and democratic president FDR did put americans of japanese descent in to concentration camps.
' Arabs didn't start threatening jews before the zionists went over there to take their land apparantly.'
Because they'd successfully driven them out. Germans didn't start killing jews until the jews moved there. I guess that proves they had the holocaust coming as well.
" nope, because america did not annex europe and kept them in little concentration camps "
That's not accurate...
The Allies of WWI did exactly that, annexing German territories for the newly formed countries - like Sudetenland for Czechoslovakia, parts of Prussia to Poland and Elzas and Lorraine to France, living Germany with ~80% of its territory (Israel left the Arabs with 99.9% of their territories). Does this mean that the Blitz-Krieg tactics against the countries who annexed German territories can be justified?
by Yosi on Sat Aug 26, 06 2:23am
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^leaving...
by Yosi on Sat Aug 26, 06 2:23am
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I am continually amazed by humans' ability to rationalize anything and everything.
Cath: true/false, killing more civilians than your opponent is a crucial factor in deciding who is at fault for the war?
People have been using this rationale to attack Israel, and then they won't apply it elsewhere.
And we all know that applying one standard to one country and another to everyone else is . . .
The war wasn't fought here.
But then when one makes another comparison you see the real truth.
Japan killed millions of Chinese civilians {and other coutnries' civilians} while the Chinese probably killed near zero.
The Germans killed millions of Russian citizens {and other countries' civilians} while the Russians killed not many German civilians {at least in comparison}
It is absolutely sick to try to make a comparison between the U.S. during World War II, and the Israeli behavior in Lebanon. Is there any level to which the Israel First crowd won't stoop to create a postive propaganda spin for Israel? They throw dirt on the memories of all the sacrifices made by the allied forces. Disgusting.
And it's especially weird when you consider that this ballot was created as a result of the "authority problem" the ballotmaker seems to have with LCD. He just seems to need to show daddy that he's a big boy.
yeah uh huh cranky... why do you hate Israel so much?
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