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For some reason: "No, a large group of people of one race beating up a member of another isn't a hate crime", is never applied when a black guy is the victim.
Hate crimes as opposed to say "love crimes"
It seems to me that whether or not a particular crime is labeled "hate crime" or not would depend on the motives of the perpetrators. I agree with you that this crime would have received much more attention had the actors' skin colors been reversed. At the same time, it is the motivation of the perpetrators that should determine the specific charges. If it were left to me I would have no hate crimes on the books. We have laws sufficient to cover all actions of any race against another.
I think hate crimes should be taken off the books. We have laws sufficient to deal with assualt, murder, arson and such. Why add race?
The whole idea of "Hate Crimes" make me cringe,as if an attack of assault that is spurred on because of bigotry is any worst than a assault cause by simple rage.That being said we don't know whether or not this was a hate crime because the attackers did not display any obvious racist signs like screaming ethnic slurs etc.
Oh I agree. Hate crime laws are a disgrace.
But, it does expose the hypocrisy of these laws to show that they are not enforced fairly.
When will there be posthumous justice for all the race hate lynchings of blacks in America's recent history.
^when will there be posthumous justice for any victim of any crime? If they're dead it's kind of too late for them.
And are you saying that hate crime laws are intended to pay back all those victims by punishing whites more harshly today for the crimes of their ancestors?
Two wrongs do not make a right Ken just because some whites in the south killed blacks in the past does not mean the governmnet has the right to add excessive punishment to white criminals who attack black victims.If we are all equal in this nation you should be given the same punishment for assaulting a person reguardless of their or your race.
That was an incredibly ignorant, racist comment Ken.
You should be ashamed.
Not at all, it was an comment/observation of what was an incredibly ignorant, racist period of America's history, and would still prevail openly today only for legislation outlawing it, it hasn't gone away though, the racism just went underground.
"Two wrongs do not make a right Ken..."
by Corrupt
Where in comment do i suggest another wrong?
I merely state that a 'right' - namely posthumous justice and contrition - will help correct those terrible wrongs.
To me the real question is *why* the double standard in the mainstream press.
The wrong Ken would be using past societal crimes to justify current ones.I just don't see how hate crime legislation is going to help end racism when some races are given special "protective" status and other are not.
You're talking out of your corrupt ass yet again, I don't try to justify anything, stop implying that I am.
Ken
The ballot pointed out a case of blatant double standards concerning racial crimes and the way the press and the "justice" system reacts to them.
Your comment was presumably related to the ballot question (otherwise you should be making it somewhere else) and asked the question concerning posthumous apologies for lynchings in Americas racist past.
Clearly, you were suggesting that racist crimes against white people TODAY, are justified by the actions of entirely unrelated white people YESTERDAY.
To suggest that an individual with white skin living today should suffer for the crimes of other, long dead white people long ago, is as racist as suggesting that I should go out and bash in the skull of the the first black person I meet because the aggressors in the ballot description were black skinned as well.
And please, dont insult our intelligence by denying it or being disingenous.
Lets stop worrying about the irreperable past, and start righting wrongs TODAY shall we?
MY answer to the ballot question is that by current standards, it would be racist NOT to class this as anything other than a hate crime. Merely for the sake of equality.
Of course, todays standards are a fucking disgrace thanks to the P.C crew, and the whole idea of a hate crime is incredibly stupid and misguided.
Voted : Yes, that would be fair
Someone on this site (Beelz, if memory serves) once commented that "All crimes are hate crimes."
lil ape - That's just your lil ape opinion- an interpretation of my words that has no basis in logic or fact, stop trying to twist my words, it reflects badly on you, and you only.
Four Black students from Southwest Baptist University jump a white guy in a parking lot of a bar (which has the word "Cowboy" in the title) in a county that has a population of African Americans less than 1%... with little media coverage... Just a hunch, but Joshua must be a menace to his community. If it had been a white boy, that was liked within this community... you'd be reading about four bodies found over younder in them there timbers!
by MO_ on Sun Aug 27, 06 1:06pm
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'Not at all, it was an comment/observation of what was an incredibly ignorant, racist period of America's history, and would still prevail openly today only for legislation outlawing it, it hasn't gone away though, the racism just went underground'
So you're saying that prior to 1992 (when hate crimes were defined by congress) race based lynchings were a daily and acceptable occurance in the US? I don't know if it's funny or sad that you feel that way.
And how do you correct a past wrong with present punishments against those who had nothing to do with it? The jews suffered horribly in germany during the 40s, correct? So we should avenge them by punishing germans of today more harshly for crimes they commit?
You can't undo the past, nor can you make up for past wrongs by punishing people who had nothing to do with it.
Sheesh, I made a lot of typos in the ballot question, I must be out of it today.
Voted : Yes, that would be fair
Good point. I have not heard of this until reading your ballot. Double standards at play.
ken
You wrote as a choice
"fact remains that most race crimes are by whites against blacks"
What exactly does this (untrue) "fact" have to do with the ballot question?
You are the only one looking bad in this ballot im afraid.
'Fact remains that most race crimes are by whites against blacks'
So assuming this is true (which I don't believe it is, unless you ignore all the crimes committed by blacks against whites) what does that have to do with the question? Most crimes are committed by men, so should women not be punished when they break the law?
Seriously, what does this alleged 'fact' have to do with the discussion at hand? And do you still maintain that prosecuting crimes differently based on race to assuage this hereditary guilt you feel for your lack of melanin is a just practice? Or have you given up on that?
Like to read the part of the story that herzie left out?
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Horde of Blacks Attack and Beat White Man Pinned Beneath Car
SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI –
Horrendous. That’s how Jeff Morris described the beating he witnessed early Thursday in the parking lot behind Cowboys 2000 nightclub in northeast Springfield.
Morris said a horde of men viciously kicked 22-year-old Joshua M. Mincks in the head as the bloodied Bolivar man lay motionless, pinned beneath a car.
Some of the attackers even celebrated after landing blows.
“They were actually enjoying this,” Morris said Thursday in a telephone interview. “They were giving high-fives after kicking him.”
Morris wasn’t sure what prompted the brutality, but images of the aftermath were still fresh in his mind Thursday afternoon.
“He was hard to recognize, there was so much blood on his face,” the Rogersville man recalled.
Springfield police spent much of Thursday investigating the assault but had made no arrests as of press time.
Officer Matt Brown, a police spokesman, said reporters asked him numerous times on Thursday whether the beating was racially motivated. The victim was white; witnesses said his attackers were black.
“At this point, we have not ruled out that possibility, but have not been able to confirm the reason for the assault and will not know until we have one or more of the suspects in custody,” he said in a release.
Mincks was lying on his back with his legs folded behind him, according to a report filed by the police officer who found him in the nightclub’s north parking lot.
A witness interviewed by police said he was leaving the club when he saw a large group of men gathered around Mincks.
After running back to the club to tell security about the fight, the man returned to the lot and noticed that Mincks was lying beneath a car as several men bounced up and down on the car’s trunk. He described the vehicle as an older-model white Cadillac with chrome rims.
The witness told police that the rear portion of the car appeared to be crushing Mincks’ body under the weight. He also said two men jumped out of a sport-utility vehicle and kicked Mincks in the head before driving off.
Mincks was taken to St. John’s Hospital, where he was listed in critical but stable condition, according to the police report.
But when the News-Leader and Mincks’ family members called the hospital Thursday to inquire about his condition, officials said they had no record he had been admitted.
St. John’s spokesman Mike Peters said Mincks may have elected under the HIPAA law to keep information about his condition confidential.
Either way, at 6 p.m. Thursday, Mincks’ family members were still uncertain where he had been taken for medical treatment.
Cowboys 2000 owner Cary Borneman was likewise concerned about Mincks’ condition. He said he was last contacted by police at about 3 a.m. Thursday and was told the man would likely survive his injuries.
Bouncers at the club typically begin clearing patrons out at 1:15 a.m., so the doors can be locked by 1:30 a.m., Borneman said.
Friday and Saturday nights are typically the busiest nights, but “best buns” contests held on Wednesdays also draw sizable crowds, the owner said.
One bouncer interviewed by police said he and his co-workers thought they had cleared the north lot and were in the south lot when they learned of the fight brewing out back.
Morris, who helplessly watched as Mincks was attacked, said a man who intervened was yelling at the attackers to let up.
“I wanted to help him so bad,” he said.
Police conducted several interviews Thursday and developed numerous leads, including a connection to Southwest Baptist University.
SBU officials contacted Thursday by the News-Leader were tight-lipped.
“We are aware a situation has occurred and are cooperating with the authorities,” said Sharina Smith, director of marketing and communications for SBU.
Smith was unable to provide any names of students that may have been involved in the assault.
Mincks’ family said he was not an SBU student.
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Although, herzie correctly wrote that the original article came from newsleader dot com, the article is on longer available there. This copy of the article came from "More Bad Cop News"
And perhaps herzie is right. Perhaps there is a terrible problem of reverse racism at "Best Buns" Night at strip bars.
Voted : Yes, that would be fair
I look for the ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center to sue that dirty cracka for getting blood all over those fine, respectful young men's clothes. I hope he didn't make a mess on those chrome rims.
"ken
You wrote as a choice
"fact remains that most race crimes are by whites against blacks"
What exactly does this (untrue) "fact" have to do with the ballot question?
You are the only one looking bad in this ballot im afraid."
- by lil-ape
Prove this fact is untrue please.
'Hate crime' and what i posted as a choice is nothing to do with the ballot? - Get with the program man.(o:
the term hate crimes assumes that there is some other sort of violent crimes.
I oppose the idea of hate crimes on the basis that it assumes that one can know what someone else is thinking.
"Prove this fact is untrue please."
IMO, since you were the one who first used it as fact, you should probably be the one to provide the source. But his calling it untrue should also be backed up. We can have an evidence-off. !
Oh! when, oh! when, will white men, and black men, and brown men be able to sit together and get drunk at "Best Buns" night at tittie bars across this great nation in peace and harmony?
I have a dream.
I have a dream.
Ken
Have a look at the FBI statistics website, and consider that all latino crimes are atticuted to the "white crimes2 list, which is hardly fair is it?
Then you can go and wipe that egg off your face :)
Oh, and ken.
"Hate crime' and what i posted as a choice is nothing to do with the ballot? - Get with the program man.(o:"
^Doesnt make sense
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