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Voted : Yes
They managed to hide the NSA for forty years from the public until the 1980s, despite it's enormous budget and huge staff numbers, so why not?
oh and the people have been finding out about the controlled demolitions. The USA government can only limit freedom of expression on their own turf, not in other nations.
Voted : Yes
Could they have? Yes, I believe so.
Did they? No, I don't think so.
Lovely, if you wanted to, you could probably picket outside the White House with signs declaring the guilt of the Bush Admin in 9/11. I don't think you would be stopped by the government. Because it is the norm in the US to believe that terrorists destroyed the WTC's, you might get many dirty looks from passersby (whether that's something good or not is for another debate), but I don't think you would be limited by the government.
Voted : No
Dont bother Corrupt. There are people who live in the real world and there are those who dont. That is the divide in this debate and it will never be bridged. You can quote logic, facts and witness statements until the end of time and they will continue to rant on about the "things" they have "seen" on their disaster footage which are played and replayed endlessly in the night.
{ Lovely, if you wanted to, you could probably picket outside the White House
by himself809 on Mon Aug 28, 06 10:16pm}
Why bother? Going to the USA these days isn't worth the hassle of being harrassed by loony immigration officers, detained for no charge, and deported simply because I got a tan in Okinawa. If I openly say "I hate Bush" then I might get harrassed by the FBI as has happened to others.
Who would want to protest in a "Free Speech Zone" anyway, as any protestor would be forced to do some distance away from any media cameras.
You have no free speech in the USA anymore. It's a police state turning rapidly into an oligarchic dictatorship, with always the same people at the top, rampant nepotism in the top levels of government, and people can be imprisoned under the Patriot Act and disappeared for months or even years.
{There are people who live in the real w....
by Searchlight on Mon Aug 28, 06 10:25pm}
Searchlight, do you do ANYTHING besides make personal attacks and insult everyone who doesn't toe the Official Line of your government?
{but I don't think you would be limited by the government.
by himself809 on Mon Aug 28, 06 10:16pm}
Do the terms "Free Speech Zone" and "Patriot Act" ring a bell?
LovelyNice. Do you realise how much of a free advert you are for a "oligarchic dictatorship"? I mean seriously you are so stupid, bombastic and paranoid you shouldnt be allowed to vote or to have any control over anyones life. I mean what would you do with a voting slip anyway? You would probably eat it because a wackjob conspiracy theoriest says that the government has put a chip in your intenstines which can read your voting slip.
I feel a karma block coming on
{LovelyNice. Do you realise ....
by Searchlight on Mon Aug 28, 06 10:33pm}
{LovelyNice. Hi you dont seem to be....
by Searchlight on Mon Aug 21, 06 2:50am (on the ballot "JINN THE KAFIR - SHOULD HE BE CHARGED WITH INCITEMENT TO HATRED?")}
How curiously similar to this
{LovelyNice, as your attitude, ....
by MegiddoDawn on Fri Aug 18, 06 5:51am (on the wiped old ballot "Which 9/11 witnesses were more credible?"}
and both engage in filling entire paragraphs with personal attacks and insults instead of anything else.
This is a great ballot Corrupt. The thing with people who are driven mad with conspiracy theories is that they can never allow others to have a differing view. They claim they want to debate and explore but ultimately, anyone who goes against them is accused of some "wrong" or some hidden agenda. Disagree with them and you are a shill, or a fool, or a liar, or are telling lies or are a sock puppet or some such alias.
Its not hard to see the pattern. Look above at the comments. Everyone who disagrees gets caught up in their delusions and is somehow a part of the giant conspiracy. What they do is to attack character and try to cast you in a bad light, and despite they're being the ones to initiate this, they are the first to act like they are the ones being victimized.
My approach is to discount them. To totally disregard them. My advice is to ignore them completely and to never address them directly. If you ignore them and their propoganda, they will wither away. And thats just what they are. Paid propogandists trying to cause disention and to create a divide. They are failing and their increased verbal and karma attacks prove they are feeling the heat.
Is it possible to hide a major conspiracy? YES, with ease.
For starters, let's look at the controlled demolitions of the WTC buildings. Would any sane person having been involved in setting that up, even as part of a black op, come out afterwards and say on TV, "Hey everyone, I helped murder 3,000 people. I was a willing mass murderer, and did it for money. Lots of money. They paid me real well to kill all those innocent people, and I'm not worried in the slightest that they'll probably kill me too because of what I'm about to tell you...now these were the people who employed me, top of the list is..."
(and both engage in filling entire paragraphs with personal attacks and insults instead of anything else.
by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 28, 06 10:51pm)
You better add Beauregard to that list of trolls who only use insults, abuse, and nutty insinuations irrelevant to logic. I haven't seen him cite any sources or quotes to back what he claims either.
The cut and paste engineers and scientists and scientists are here! People that couldn't even pass engineering 101 or even high school science or physics (even if someone gave them the answers). They don't know the most basic rules about research, verifying the information they find, about considering alternative points of view, how to discern propaganda from legitimate science, and the MOST BASIC RULES OF LOGIC. I doubt they even have a clue of what Occam's razor is.
I'll remind people that many of these cut and pasters are the same ones who have directly cut and pasted crap from neo-Nazi websites on the Holocaust ballots. Pointing that out doesn't stop them, it appears to encourage them. Just like on any 9/11 ballot. Their intent isn't debate. It is to spam the site with propaganda.
Notice that most of these users who want to use 9/11 as an example of how America is becoming a fascist state are exactly the same one who:
1. Are Holocaust deniers
2. Japanese war crime deniers and apologists.
3. Use a fascist tactic of shouting people down and attempting to intimidate dissenters by calling them "shills".
1+1=2
MOST BASIC RULES OF LOGIC. by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Tue Aug 29, 06 6:34am
Here's some basic rules of logic
When I see a controlled demolition, it is a controlled demolition.
Knowing that cellphone calls can't be made from passenger jets flying six miles up at 500mph, I know that any alleged cellphone calls supposedly made in such conditions are fake.
If the government of a country is notorious for lying, logically I'm not going to trust much of what the officials of that government say.
If that very same untrustworthy government which is notorious for lying also tries to claim that certain impossible things happened, then I know that they are only lying again.
Knowing that same untrustworthy government employs shills to post on message boards, and that these shills main job is to defend that same untrustworthy government's Official Story (lies), that I already know are impossible anyway, then I logically distrust anyone who anonymously defends those lies repeatedly, and tries to shout down, harass, insult, abuse, and uses ad hominems instead of proper rational debate.
(Notice that most of these users who want to use 9/11 as an example of how America is becoming a fascist state are exactly the same one who:
1. Are Holocaust deniers
2. Japanese war crime deniers and apologists.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Tue Aug 29, 06 6:34am)
NOT AT ALL.
I noticed instead that you are trying to put everyone who doubts the 9-11 bullshit story in the same basket without any evidence. I dare you to find posts by me, by Ken from Dublin, by Blackcat06, where I or they have posted any comment as "holocaust deniers" or whatever. I don't believe that I've ever posted on the nazi holocaust ballot. I'll defend the rights of others to free speech to the death though. When the members of a society are no longer allowed the freedom to question, then they are no longer free.
You must be some kind of fascist.
Ha! Looks like the more the truth is exposed, the more agressive they become and paranoid too. Nice. Wait till you see what I have planned next. I've been doing some snooping ;)
(Ha! Looks like the more the truth is exposed,by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:16am)
Indeed, the truth that FiddleFaddle OnLSD was attempting to lie about me, Ken from Dublin, and Blackcat06, and call us "holocaust deniers" when we're not even interested in the subject enough to post on it. I think I saw a post by Ken from Dublin on a holocaust ballot once, as he was attacking the "holocaust deniers".
FiddleFaddle OnLSD was lying, and making untrue insinuations. What about you, Beauregard? It appears that you're trying the same dishonesty.
What dishonesty? Go find the comments you're referring to and post them here. Are you intimating that I said you were Holocaust deniers? I'm not sure what you're getting at, so I challenge you to go find my comments you're talking about and post them here. Can you? Or, like your other usernames, are you all about making accusations to deflect the pressure we're all putting you under and trying to once again act like you're somehow a victim. Want to know why so many of us on here are after you? Because you attack people and then try to turn the tables and act like you're being attacked.
So go find those comments and post them here. Funny thing is, I've only had interaction with Lovelynice. Odd how you're now addressing comments to me, when I have no idea who you are. Or do I? See everytime you have one of your aliases back your other usernames up, you slip up. Do you see that now?
{Funny thing is, I've only had interaction with Lovelynice. Odd how you're now addressing comments to me, by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:07am}
More funny is how you pretend that Coldcircuit hadn't just responded to your previous post.
I quote;
{{(Ha! Looks like the more the truth is exposed,by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:16am)
Indeed, the truth that FiddleFaddle OnLSD was attempting to lie about me, Ken from Dublin, and Blackcat06, and call us "holocaust deniers" when we're not even interested in the subject enough to post on it. I think I saw a post by Ken from Dublin on a holocaust ballot once, as he was attacking the "holocaust deniers".
FiddleFaddle OnLSD was lying, and making untrue insinuations. What about you, Beauregard? It appears that you're trying the same dishonesty.
by Coldcircuit on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:33am}}
What dishonesty? Go find the comments you're referring to and post them here. Are you intimating that I said you were Holocaust deniersby Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:07am
There you go again with the same insulting insinuations. The ball's in your court.
What dishonesty? Go find the comments you're referring to and post them here. Tue Aug 29, 06 8:07am
Recall what you just posted on this ballot, Beauregard when you posted on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:16am
It doesn't need repeating. It was just you trying to support the same dishonest accusations of FiddleFaddleOnLSD
your aliases back your other usernames up, you slip up. Do you see that now?
by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:07am
More likely you are the one with the multiple usernames, but you hate it being outnumbered by the people here on this site who don't believe the lies of the Bush administration and US govt.
What dishonesty? Go find the comments you're referring to and post them here. Are you intimating that I said you were Holocaust deniersby Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:07am
There you go again with the same insulting insinuations. The ball's in your court.
by Coldcircuit on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:36am
So where are these comments? Still going to try and play the victim? We all notice that when you've once again stuck your foot in your mouth by making a totally ridiculous and baseless accusation against someone, your tactic is to deflect, deflect, deflect.
So right now, I demand that you go find those comments. Or, are you all about making BS claims and accusations? So go ahead and find them, since we are all waiting. And please, have some self-respect and stop backing each other up like you're 2 different people. We are not as dumb as you like to maintain and you are not nearly as intelligent as you like to maintain.
So I'll wait for those comments.
What dishonesty? Go find the comments you're referring to and post them here. Tue Aug 29, 06 8:07am
Recall what you just posted on this ballot, Beauregard when you posted on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:16am
It doesn't need repeating. It was just you trying to support the same dishonest accusations of FiddleFaddleOnLSD
by Coldcircuit on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:39am
This comment ColdCircuit? The one below? This is what you’re basing it on? Oh come on. Please tell me you can do better than that! So now you are seriously going to try and pass my comment below off as some how my agreeing with Fiddlefaddle? Ha!! So pathetic I can only laugh.
Ha! Looks like the more the truth is exposed, the more agressive they become and paranoid too. Nice. Wait till you see what I have planned next. I've been doing some snooping ;)
by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:16am
Beauregard, your game didn't work. Try another lying insinnuation instead. 
What game? Man you are totally paranoid. What is with accusing people of things? Thats all you do. Insult and accuse. You're the first to say other people are making snide and insulting comments, but thats all you do. Do you see why we are all tired of this nonsense? So no game. No lying insinuation. Only a promise that your very words are your undoing on here. Well your undoing as it relates to your aliases. Do you not see that you have become the message? No one is listening to you. No one is giving you credit or respecting you and your words. Instead, almost everyone ignores you and your ballots and no one sees past your vitriol. Thats your doing, not ours. Ask yourself is it "me, or them?" Its you.
Oh by the way, the evidence? So many were all too happy to help gather it. Its been messaged to about 20 users on here. Lalalalalala.
Voted : he whistle blowers can't get on the USA govt controlled & influenced USA media, of course!
It's an easy one to pull off when billions of dollars are at stake, and in the true tradition of organized crime, anyone who could blow the whistle has been silenced... permanently. 
I'm still waiting for those comments of mine ColdCircuit/Lovelynice. Where are they? Where are the comments you refer to in this comment of yours
FiddleFaddle OnLSD was lying, and making untrue insinuations. What about you, Beauregard? It appears that you're trying the same dishonesty.
by Coldcircuit on Tue Aug 29, 06 7:33am}}
So where are they?
Beauregard, they were already pointed out. If you want to pretend that they aren't there, that's your problem. Everyone else can see them.
It's not like your famous for not filling entire paragraphs with personal attacks, lies, and insinnuations.
and trying to pretend that I'm anyone else is not going to make it true.
^ Sure. Sure. What ever you say Lovelynice. Man you must be the most miserable person to know. Funny, you don't realize that becuase of your abuse, you are totally detested on here. And when I say you, understand that applies to you and all of your aliases. You're just sad. No friends. No prospects of a love life. Probably a very sad, lonely and pathetic person. In some ways, I feel rather sorry for you. Keep diggin yourself in deeper and deeper. As for the personal attacks I make, they are only at you, in response to all of yours. Based on the Karma I've gotten, most of this site is behind me and against you. But I bet you're used to that.
And what do we see, Beauregard making yet more entire posts that are only for personal attacks.
The mud sticks mostly to the thrower. You're getting messy with all that mud you keep throwing.
Never see him cite any evidence, sources, links, or quotes as he defends the Official Lies by insulting and harrassing anyone who is a 9/11 sceptic.
{Based on the Karma I've gotten...
by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 5:54pm}
Love to see the list. It would be very informative.
I recieve a lot of karma too, but it's always from many different people, not just a few. The ballot votes don't go the way of the Official Lies either.
Lovely, I'm failing to see how the Bush administration = oligarchic dictatorship/police state... I *wish* that the Bush administration was as bad as governments could get, but, for however bad it is perceived to be, I don't think it is anywhere near a police state. I may not agree with the concept of the PATRIOT Act or Free Speech Zones, but I don't think that the US is much of an oligarchic dictatorship.
Is this how you were raised Loveynice? Do you think its okay to treat peopel this way? As for the Karma list, its none of your business. If the people who gave me the Karma wanted you to see it, they would have let you see it, right? I mean they do have a right to expect that the messages they send along with it are private, don't you think? What gall.
Dumb excuse.by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 21, 06 12:19am
I'm really disgusted with your lying. I guess other people are disgusted with your lying too.
by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 21, 06 1:23pm
Your bullshit excuse about window washers and couriers even recognising what was going on, let alone seeing it, shows up that all you were doing was using them as "filler" for your excuse.
by Lovelynice on Wed Aug 23, 06 3:24pm
No change, Mr Bullshit Lying Shill
by Lovelynice on Wed Aug 23, 06 3:32pm
Great, you were dumb enough to cite wikipedia as a source. Well, the piece of crap online pedia that ANY IDIOT CAN EDIT got it wrong.
by Lovelynice on Wed Aug 23, 06 8:59pm
es, they do exist. You are an ignorant fool.
by Lovelynice on Thu Aug 24, 06 9:57am
Also your BULLSHIT about "didn't fall at freefall speeds" is just a strawman argument, because nobody in this ballot debate has actually said that they did. WE ON THE 9/11 SCEPTICS SIDE HAVE ALL SAID THAT THE BUILDINGS WENT DOWN AT CLOSE TO FREEFALL - NOT AT "FREEFALL".
By trying to pretend that we're saying something which we aren't, you destroy your own credibility.
by Lovelynice on Fri Aug 25, 06 6:07am
Nobody can trust what you say anyway, as all you do is LIE all the time.
by Lovelynice on Fri Aug 25, 06 10:43am
Trying to blame Tank_Girl for a post by Ken_from_Dublin only shows that you are so used to lying, that reality is becoming meaningless to you.
by Lovelynice on Sun Aug 27, 06 9:57pm
{Is this how you were...
by Beauregard on Tue Aug 29, 06 8:26pm}
I noticed IMMEDIATELY, as others will notice IMMEDIATELY, that you avoided posting those comments in the context of which they were made.
You also avoided giving the ballot numbers, in your effort to HIDE that context.
It's very clear what side you're on by WHAT YOU DO.
You are continually making personal attacks, insults, harrassment, use of ad hominems, lying insinnuations, and every other possible form of abuse against those of us who are 9/11 sceptics who doubt the Official Lies about 9/11
You claim anything you want about your opinions or non-opinions, but it's WHAT YOU DO which tells everyone that you defend the Official Lies.
Taken out of context? Hardly. How is calling someone "shill," "fool" "liar" and all the other nasty insults you make taking it out of context? You treat everyone like that. So here once again is a ballot. Since you claim that my proof of your abuse is not valid unless I show a ballot, here is one. But again, all we need to do is click on any of your comments and there will be more than enough proof for people that you are a nasty person.
PROOF THAT THE INFAMOUS BIN LADEN 'CONFESSION' VIDEO WAS A US GOVERNMENT FAKE!
serious ballot by Ken_from_Dublin
ACTIVE Sat Jul 08, 06 - Thu Apr 02, 09
Isn't it hilarious how desperately you lie.
Sorry, despite your enthusiasm for your delusional insanity, I will not be a part of it. Neither will the vast majority of people.
by Lovelynice on Tue Jul 11, 06 11:49am
You don't want us to accept any challenge, you want us all to pretend we're blind as you are, and can't tell the difference between MrFatNose and Osama bin Laden.
Unlike you, we aren't PAID to cover up for LIARS and MASS MURDERERS. I wouldn't do the job anyway, because I have more sense than to become a shill like you, whose online posts will one day be used against you.
A government, no matter how big, can not go against tens of millions of people online. The
by Lovelynice on Mon Jul 24, 06 10:33am
Has anyone noticed how this little creep neo the liar hasn't denied anything that Lovelynice accused him and his vile lie mercenary colleagues of, just this zombie like response because they are devoid of any humanity or any human decency.
Lie prostitutes that they are, at least a prostitute has some integrity left because he or she only sells their body - but these fiends sell their SOULS, and all things good and truthful are raped in their name.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Jul 25, 2006 6:29pm
Perhaps you can also enlighten us with tall tales about your job as a shill.
by Lovelynice on Thu Jul 27, 06 10:09am
Neothe1's statement (above)is the sort of thing that a typical shill/troll/plant says when he has no FACTS to counter our natural scepticism about any of the Official Lies of the US government, and would rather just fill a ballot with spam.
Please enlighten us Neothe1 with more displays of your blindness regarding MrFatNose uncanny resemblance to anyone at all EXCEPT Osama bin Laden. This is afterall your insane contention is it not? Did you not waste post after post after post defending the US government's LIES about MrFatNose, claiming that he was Osama bin Laden when it's obvious that he's not.
by Lovelynice on Thu Jul 27, 06 3:36pm
Now, neothe1-the-shill please tell us more of your Official Lies trying to convice everyone that MrFatNose is really Osama bin Laden with an inflatable nose and a shape-changing head.
by Lovelynice on Fri Jul 28, 06 5:56pm
Ah yeah, like someone dropped a bowling ball on your head when you were a kid, you are as a result brain damaged!
As evidenced by your nutter posts all over this website!
by Ken_from_Dublin on Mon Jul 31, 06 8:28pm
neothe1, your claim that your bullshit is proven when it's obvious to everyone that MrFatNose is a different person, and not Osama bin Laden, and that therefore the video was fake is only making you look like an idiot.
by Lovelynice on Sun Aug 13, 06 3:18pm
Yes, you continue to take my comments out of context.
Why don't you post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
I know why you don't post the full context, it's because you're not only biased, but neothe1 was lying and you just don't anyone to see that it's so obvious that he was.
Why don't you post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
I'd love to know why you don't post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
You know they're easy enough to post, and that is the context of the posts, neh? So why don't you post neothe1's lies?
Go ahead and post them. Its you who needs to clear her name, so feel free. Everyone has gone to read them Lovely. Its a known fact that you are the one that always becomes rude and snide first. Now your new angle is to try to act like this is all about your interactions with Neo. Its not. Its the way you interact with everyone. Are you sure you want those ballot threads made available here? Are you that confident that you will look good? Lol! No, you won't.
So now I challenge you to show them. Come on. Lets go.
I guess that I have to repeat the question;
Why don't you post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
The simple fact is that when you post someone else's comments out of the context in which they were made they become meaningless. You don't prove anything except that you are making a futile attempt at a personal attack - but it doesn't work because you show obvious bias.
Why don't you post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
Lovelynice, your tactics don't work with me. I think that makes you nuts. The comments you made are not out of context. If you feel they are, then please, go right ahead and copy and past the entire threads. But! Be prepard to do it with every single ballot you have participated in, because in all such ballots, it is you who gets agressive and rude. Its you who resorts to snide remarks and insults first.
You're really making yourself look bad here.
You think its okay in a debate to use the tactics you use? It is not. There is no winning with you in a debate because anyone who disagrees with you and your first instinct is not to debate with them, its to dismiss them and to insult them and to be just rude and snotty. That is your MO. We all know it.
So I repeat. You feel they were taken out of context? Go right ahead and post the entire threads of those ballots.
Who do you think, besides your "friends" on here (wink, wink) is on your side? What I'm saying to you is what everyone feels.
Now that's interesting, the last TWENTY posts by you have all been personal attacks on me. On different ballots. I call that stalking behaviour.
Make that TWENTY-ONE POSTS now.
we're waiting for you to reveal that you can post comments in their context... you aren't doing it yet.
Why don't you post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
so now you're trying your personal attacks against me on two different ballots at the same time.
And we're STILL waiting for you to reveal that you can post comments in their context... you aren't doing it yet.
Why don't you post the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to?
See, just like you, I can just keep copying and pasting my comments. No Lovely, it is your responsibility to defend yourself. I notice that you have still not posted the threads from which those comments of yours come. You are not because you know that you look bad. I just checked another and once again, there you are getting nasty.
You keep saying I'm making personal attacks, yet I challenged you to tell me if calling people "idiot," "shill" "moron" and all of your other choice insults are not in fact, personal attacks. So answer us all right now and tell us. Are those things you say to people rude and personal attacks or not?
Lovelynice, your tactics don't work with me. I think that makes you nuts. The comments you made are not out of context. If you feel they are, then please, go right ahead and copy and past the entire threads. But! Be prepard to do it with every single ballot you have participated in, because in all such ballots, it is you who gets agressive and rude. Its you who resorts to snide remarks and insults first.
You're really making yourself look bad here.
You think its okay in a debate to use the tactics you use? It is not. There is no winning with you in a debate because anyone who disagrees with you and your first instinct is not to debate with them, its to dismiss them and to insult them and to be just rude and snotty. That is your MO. We all know it.
So I repeat. You feel they were taken out of context? Go right ahead and post the entire threads of those ballots.
Who do you think, besides your "friends" on here (wink, wink) is on your side? What I'm saying to you is what everyone feels.
Ah, so you are still continuing your personal attacks without citing anything related to a 9/11 ballot.
and you still haven't posted the comments of neothe1 that other people were responding to. That makes you dishonest and biased.
Well, good night Mr Stalker who only makes personal attacks, takes people's comments out of context, and tries very, very, very hard to avoid posting anything that would show up neothe1 as being the lying shill that he is....which means you're one too.
Unless of course, you suddenlydisplay some honesty and start posting neothe1's comments that we we were responding to. You know the ones, where HE LIES and SPAMS the ballots with his thousand+ repeated words of SPAM.
Where neothe1 tells outright lies, like when he LIED.
neothe1 was in fact caught LYING. That makes neothe1 a LIAR.
Tank_Girl had NOT posted ballot 98784, but neothe1 LIED and stated that she'd said on that ballot that WTC 1 and WTC 2 had "imploded" - well, since she didn't post on that ballot at all, then she OBVIOUSLY didn't say anything of the kind. neothe1 then LIED AGAIN and tried to claim that I had stated WTC 1 and WTC 2 had "imploded", and yet again neothe1 was caught LYING, this time by Meteor7 who pointed out that neothe1 was playing a strawman argument and attempting to misrepresent what I had stated.
But you don't want people to know that, do you?
^ Ah, but you are the one that has tried to deflect this and make it seem like its all about Neo. I have been very clear on this. Its not. I'm sure Neo can defend himself.
But what this has shown to all of B&W is that you always fall back to you usual form of abuse. That is to call people liar, call them biases, or a shill, or a moron or some such insults. You're doing it even now in this debate.
You keep saying that I am trying hard to avoid posting anything that would make Neo1 look like a liar? Why should I? You're the one that introduced him as a diversionary tactic to try and deflect off of the real issue, and that is your agressive, nasty, rude and unpleasant demeanor on this site. Its not about Neo, its about you. Since you introduced Neo in as the one that supposedly makes you agressive, I suggest you post the entire threads of said ballots as your defense. How come you won't?
Lets also not forget that you have yet to answer me. Do you or do you not consider it to be a personal attack and an insult to call people, liar, shill, moron and to say they are telling lies and to call them paid shills. So are those personal attacks and insults or not?
Do you or do you not immediately become agressive and rude if someone disagrees with you? These are not difficult questions. Do you or do you not reply to people who have a differing view by using some of the above words? Answer.
Now hurry up and post those ballot threads that will somehow, in your mind, vindicate you.
by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 9:52am
Oh look, here are just 2. Just 2 mind you.
HOW DUMB IS THE MAN WHO CAN'T RECOGNISE AN EXPLOSIVE CONTROLLED DEMOLITION?
by Lovelynice
ACTIVE Thu Aug 24, 06 - Fri Aug 24, 07
Steeplejack Fred Dibnah would be proud that the
Chimney on the right he felled in Bolton, England would appear on this site.
by isay on Fri Aug 25, 06 2:34am
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Actually the collapse of the chimney at the top part is due to the angle of which the stack was falling, it gave way, explosives were not used on it as it was felled like you would fell a tree in logging.
To prove my point i was there when the fucking thing was destroyed!!! ARGUMENT OVER.
by isay on Fri Aug 25, 06 2:50am
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{To prove my point i was there when the fucking thing was destroyed!!! ARGUMENT OVER.
by isay on Fri Aug 25, 06 2:50am}
Not really, because YOU were never there! Little liar who likes to tell stories.
by Lovelynice on Fri Aug 25, 06 5:27am
^^ Now look at how you respond to Isay.
Here is another of your ballots and the first thing, the first comment you make in the ballot, is to insult Yosi by intimating he is a "paid government shill."
IS IT POSSIBLE TO FIGHT A WAR WITHOUT ATTACKING CIVILIAN FACILITIES, HOMES
serious ballot by Lovelynice
ACTIVE Fri Aug 04, 06 - Sat Aug 04, 07
comments:
I'm sure Yosi will be here soon as his precious job calls for it, but it seems to that Israel has already done a mighty effective job of destroying Lebanon’s infrastructure. I guess the 60 bridges and 70 roads destroyed, the taking out of Beirut’s airport, the destruction of power plants, the fuel tanks and gas stations bombed, the food warehouses, dams, schools, television and radio stations, churches, mosques, hospitals, ambulances, and the thousands and thousands of homes targeted and destroyed are not, according to the Israelis, part of Lebanon’s critical infrastructure. I don't why they think targeting ambulances (aiming exactly at the red cross on the roof) is vital to winning a war either.
by Lovelynice on Fri Aug 04, 06 7:04am
Your turn. Go find those ballots and comments that will vindicate you. Go on.
I see Bearegard is still doing the stalking behaviour and posting his personal attacks on multiple ballots against me at the same time - but he's too lazy to do more than copy and paste the same personal attacks.
Okay then, since he copy & pasted his personal attack, this is a copy of my previous reply;
{Ah, but you are the one that has tried to deflect this and make it seem like its all about Neo. by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 9:52am}
There you go again, pretending that neothe1 is a movie hero. He's not.
Also, if you were unbiased then you would post those comments in their context - such as in the ballot about the fake Osama video, you'd post neothe1's LIES that others were responding to.
It's OBVIOUS that you are only engaging in more of your personal attacks without any evidence. Taking comments out of their context makes them meaningless, and thata is what you have done. The more you do it, the more OBVIOUS your bias has become, destroying your own credibility.
As I said before to YOU in all your guises, it's always the person throwing the mud that gets the most on them. You apparently don't believe this fact of human psychology, well then that's your problem. It's why most people don't trust the shills claims. Shills like you (as you OBVIOUSLY are) spend so much effort on making personal attacks without citing any sources, links, quotes, or FACTS relevant to the ballot debates which you are posting on when related to 9/11, that you lose all credibility on them.
Go ahead and leep doing it, if you like, and people like me with lot more brains and a lot more understanding of human nature and debate will laugh at you.
I base what I state on scientific studies....but you are a typical ignorant shill of very average intelligence. When given advice on how to debate, your own arrogance and despise of your enemy makes you stupid.
So go ahead, keep throwing the mud, it's all the better for me, since most of it is sticking to you.
You're also making neothe1 look even worse now, because as most people will imagine his statements must've been TRULY AWFUL since you don't post them.
The factis, they are truly awful. He tells LIES. He go t caught LYING on many occassions. That makes neothe1 a LIAR.
Tank_Girl had NOT posted ballot 98784, but neothe1 LIED and stated that she'd said on that ballot that WTC 1 and WTC 2 had "imploded" - well, since she didn't post on that ballot at all, then she OBVIOUSLY didn't say anything of the kind. neothe1 then LIED AGAIN and tried to claim that I had stated WTC 1 and WTC 2 had "imploded", and yet again neothe1 was caught LYING, this time by Meteor7 who pointed out that neothe1 was playing a strawman argument and attempting to misrepresent what I had stated.
and YOU has you only make personal attacks, take people's comments out of context, and try very, very, very hard to avoid posting anything that would show up neothe1 as being the lying shill that he is...have begun to show just how TRULY MUCH OF A LIAR neothe1 is, and how blatantly DISHONEST you are.
{prove I am a defender of the offical lies...by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 2:22pm}
It's always WHAT YOU DO which is what people look at. You've proven what you are many times.
You are continually making personal attacks, insults, harrassment, use of ad hominems, lying insinnuations, and every other possible form of abuse against those of us who are 9/11 sceptics who doubt the Official Lies about 9/11
You claim anything you want, but it's WHAT YOU DO which tells everyone that you defend the Official Lies.
{Lovelynice attacks people on a personal level
by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 2:18pm}
I've never said that I didn't, I don't devote entire paragraphs to strings of insults like you, Searchlight, Meggiddodawn, and whatever other aliases that you use.
However, as you well know, YOU devote an ENTIRE POST of several sentences (or several paragraphs) only to making personal atttacks.
Do you have anything to say, BESIDES making personal attacks, insults, harrassment, use of ad hominems, lying insinnuations, and every other possible form of abuse against those of us who are 9/11 sceptics who doubt the Official Lies about 9/11 on every 9/11 related ballot?
Maybe you can learn to cite FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot without engaging ONLY IN PERSONAL ATTACKS, but since you've spent 99% of your posts ONLY making personal attacks, it shows that YOU HAVE NO FACTS on your side.
As I said, it's WHAT YOU DO which tells everyone that you defend the Official Lies.
and you're avoidance of posting cited FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot instead of only making PERSONAL ATTACKS shows to everyone that you are desperate, and losing the 9/11 debate.
{It's patently obvious that Beauregard and Searchlight are one and the same - Searchlight's dim beam flickered out when I challenged him to explain the David Copperfield demolition of WTC 7 - only to be replaced soon afterwards by Beauregard, the prose and grammar are the same too.
And both these users seem to be particularly obsessed with stalking and attacking Lovelynice on a personal level, resorting to this immoral, bullying and cowardly behaviour because he can't get the better of her in any argument on 9/11 because Lovelynice knows her facts, has done her research, and has yet to lose any argument on the subject of 9/111 - and do you know why?
Because you cannot defeat the TRUTH - it ALWAYS prevails.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Wed Aug 30, 06 11:07am on ballot 101125}
I've also noticed that Searchlight/Beauregard use the same tactics in debate, they devote entire posts often a paragraph or more, only to making personal attacks and almost never cite FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot without engaging ONLY IN PERSONAL ATTACKS.
I suppose the FACTS ARE NOT ON THEIR SIDE, otherwise they'd post them instead.
and you're avoidance of posting cited FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot instead of only making PERSONAL ATTACKS shows to everyone that you are desperate, and losing the 9/11 debate.
by Lovelynice on Wed Aug 30, 06 4:12pm
But I have not bee in the 9/11 debate?? Are you that fixated that you can't see that?
I demand that you right now, go and produce any comment of mine, besides the one on your NIST doctored photo ballot, that shows me being involved in the 9/11 debate with you. Go on. Move it girl!! Find them and produce the proof. Ohh, poor little Lovely, cursed and not able to produce any evidence to back up her fake claims. Best of luck to you. You will need it. Ha!
Well? Where is that proof Lovely? Can't produce any? Who is the lying shill now?
The whole site is waiting for your proof? Can't produce any? Of course not because its you who is now the lying shill. How does it feel to know that you have been exposed as a total liar and fake who uses fake names to bolster your strawman arguments and lies? ;)
"But I have not bee in the 9/11 debate
by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 5:35pm"
Yes you have, and as has been pointed out, you have spent a lot of effort on personal attacks on those who remain unconvinced by the 9-11 bullshit story.
Your actions speak for themselves.
You aren't doing very well either, not until you can cite some facts and back them with some quotes and sources.
What else have you been doing on 9-11 ballots besides making personal attacks? NOTHING.
Which is how much credibility you've earned; NOTHING.
You haven't won a single point in argument, because chucking insults at others without any facts and logic, doesn't win a debate.
Why are you stalking Lovelynice, btw? It seems that your personal attacks are particularly focused on her, not only on this ballot, but on others that she has posted.
"The whole site is waiting for your proof
by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 6:09pm"
I think the whole site is waiting for yours.
This is a 9-11 ballot. You haven't succeedded in convincing anyone, and you're not going to succeed in convincing anyone, until you can cite facts backed by sources and logic.
You can't win with insults. Anyone can fling insults around, and they become empty. They are not facts. You fling insults, but you never cite facts related to the ballot subject.
You've wasted 20+ posts on these personal attacks of yours, and gotten nowhere.
"Move it girl!! Find them and produce the proof. Ohh, poor little Lovely, cursed and not able to produce any evidence to back up her fake claims. Best of luck to you. You will need it. Ha!
by Beauregard on Wed Aug 30, 06 5:35pm"
There's a few things that I notice about this post of yours.
1- It's only another personal attack, empty of facts related to the ballot subject
2- You make a claim which is false. Anyone who has been reading Lovelynice's posts can see that she's singlehandedly provided more facts backed by sources, links, and extremely rational debunking of the official story about the events of 9-11 than anyone on the entire site. You claim her claims are fake, but since you can't counter or refute them *as you refuse to cite any facts* you're caught in a lie.
Anytime now, you can start debating rationally on the ballot subject. When are you going to start? I'll have a holiday in meantime and grow a beard.
^^ Look Lovely, maybe you can't process this. If so, you're the only one who can't. This has nothing to do with 9/11. You show your other alias again by writing just like your Lovelynice character. Once again, I have shown facts, links and proofs by posting your rude and snide comments to people. The issue is not 9/11, its how you treat people. On that fact, I have demonstrated with solid evidence that it is in fact you that leads the charge with personal attacks on virtually all ballots you participate in and in fact that it is you who are nasty, arrogant and rude to other users.
Do you need me to post that evidence once again?
And I keep warning you, there is so much evidence exposing your various aliases, that you really should be nicer. Want me to post it? Like I said, about 20 users have received it so far, and I wonder how many they hav forwarded it on to.
Just like your alter-ego Lovely, you can't help but call people liar.
So once again, the challenge to you is this.
1). Tell us all if calling people "liar" "shill" "moron", "idiot" and the like is a personal attack or not. You seem to love to play victim, yet these are just some of the words you use against people.
2). Go find any comment of mine in which I debate something about 9/11. Can you? No. So in fact, once again, your obsessive mental need to demand facts and evidence is ridiculous. As my comments have all been about exposint Lovleynice (you) for being a rude and abusive person, I have in fact, posted countless evidence to back it up. She (you) have yet to post anything to refute it.
And you're right, anyone can sling insults around that is precisely what you (Lovelynice) does.
You cannot act like the victim when you treat people like garbage and insult them with snide and rude comments and then when people have had enough and call you on it, you want to act all innocent and victimized. You can't.
ColdCircuit, its so cool how you arrive to defend Lovelynice (wink, wink) You two girls are so, so, so close. Thats nice. Its almost like you are as one. ;)
Beauregard, it's noticeable that you prefer to engage in personal attacks rather than answer real questions about 9-11.
Where's some real video of a huge plane hitting the Pentagon? You can't show any.
When is that you are you going to explain how it is possible for all the supports on a floor (both the undamaged structural supports and the damaged ones in varying amounts of damage), to fail on all sides of a building - at the exact same time - not just in 1 building, but in all 3 buildings on the same day?
When is that you are you going to provide links, quotes, and sources to back your claims about the cellphones, and show a scientific study that shows that cellphones can make successful many-minutes-long calls from passenger jets flying at passenger jet speeds, and at passenger jet altitudes?
When is that you are you going to cite any event where steel-framed hi-rises collapsed straight-down into their bases any time in the entire history of steel-framed hi-rise buildings without a controlled demolition being the cause - apart from the 3 buildings of 9-11 (WTC 1, 2, 7)?
When will you back your point of view about 9-11 with a link, source, and quote from somebody, anybody, whose mathematical simulation or computer simulation based on the empirical data (without distortion, deviation, or bullshit fictions) proves that there was enough energy for a gravity-driven collapse?
Please explain WHY if it was floors collapsing, then how the explosions were blowing out floors BEFORE those floors from above could reach them? This is visible on the videos in slow motion - you can see such on this video showing explosions going off many stories below the collapse, and eyewitness accounts of secondary explosions as well as their reporting of the first big explosions happening BELOW the plane impact point. Witnesses confirm this;
video . google . com / videoplay ? docid = 3249714675910247150 & q = 911 & h l = en
Please explain why the seismic tremors were shorter than the collapse times, and cite at least a couple of geologists and/seismic experts explaining this - because according to everyone I've asked, this is impossible and shows that the energy source for the tremors was not the collapsing buildings but could only be from another source (explosions).
You've been asked to provide real answers to many of these questions asked by Ken from Dublin, Lovelynice, Meteor7, Coldcircuit, Blackcat06, Tank Girl, but you have never answered them
^Those are all the same person!
LOL - no they definitely are not!
I can't imagine anyone being as delusional to make that claim of yours. Why don't you contact them?
Btw, your accusation is nothing more than an Ad Hominem. Why don't you show that you are credible by answering the questions and supporting your claims regarding 9-11. I mentioned everything that people like you haven't dealt with. If you were honest, those would be the first things that you would answer about instead of making an Ad Hominem attack.
Sounds just like Lovelynice DOK.
Do you have anything to say, BESIDES making personal attacks, insults, harrassment, use of ad hominems, lying insinnuations, and every other possible form of abuse against those of us who are 9/11 sceptics who doubt the Official Lies about 9/11 on every 9/11 related ballot?
Maybe you can learn to cite FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot without engaging ONLY IN PERSONAL ATTACKS, but since you've spent 99% of your posts ONLY making personal attacks, it shows that YOU HAVE NO FACTS on your side.
As I said, it's WHAT YOU DO which tells everyone that you defend the Official Lies.
and you're avoidance of posting cited FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot instead of only making PERSONAL ATTACKS shows to everyone that you are desperate, and losing the 9/11 debate.
by Lovelynice on Wed Aug 30, 06 4:12pm
Almost like you were the same person.
And I can see quite a lot coming from you - YOU DEVOTED AN ENTIRE BALLOT TO IT.
That's the difference.
Instead of dealing with the facts about 9-11, because you couldn't answer the relevant questions, you chose to make Ad Hominem attacks against ALL THOSE WHO WERE SKEPTICS about 9-11.
That's a very big difference.
Deal with the facts, and drop the Ad Hominem argument and I'll do the same. But don't dare try to claim that I started it with you, because you began a ballot devoted entirely to Ad Hominem argument.
by Daughter_of_Khitai on Tue Aug 21, 07 5:39pm
Do you have anything to say, BESIDES making personal attacks, insults, harrassment, use of ad hominems, lying insinnuations, and every other possible form of abuse against those of us who are 9/11 sceptics who doubt the Official Lies about 9/11 on every 9/11 related ballot?
Maybe you can learn to cite FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot without engaging ONLY IN PERSONAL ATTACKS, but since you've spent 99% of your posts ONLY making personal attacks, it shows that YOU HAVE NO FACTS on your side.
As I said, it's WHAT YOU DO which tells everyone that you defend the Official Lies.
and you're avoidance of posting cited FACTS supported by sources, links, quotes, and actually debate the subject of a 9/11 ballot instead of only making PERSONAL ATTACKS shows to everyone that you are desperate, and losing the 9/11 debate.
by Lovelynice on Wed Aug 30, 06 4:12pm
No, really I'm you. I can even use your own logic to show it.
What you said;
"It's time the Bush administration was sent packing.
by Beauregard on Mon Mar 26, 07 9:22am"
Now this is me saying the exact same thing.
It's time the Bush administration was sent packing.
It's called COPY AND PASTE.
That's about the sum of your evidence too. You've shown nothing more than that some people are guilty of COPY AND PASTE.
Not quite. You're panicked now and trying to cover your tracks.
What you show above is laughable. It's all about the time frames and the fact that you and your aliases Lovelynice, Tank_Girl, Numanx and who knows how many others, are in fact copying and pasting but it's all you. There is no way that 2 years after Numanx made certain comments, you happen upon them and decide "hmm, I can use these words, I think I will copy and paste them." That's a total load of crap.
So you think you can explain away your lies by saying "look, I copied and pasted one of your previous comments Beauregard. So? But you didn't use them as your own and you can't show a time and date stamp. You must really be in panic mode if this is the extent of your "explanation."
If it happend a couple of times that'd be one thing but with you it's all the time and its on other sites. That's part of your problem. I found other sites you use and it's the same thing. So go righ ahead and try to force your explanation because no one is buying it. No one.
Pamicked? No, not at all.
"hmm, I can use these words, I think I will copy and paste them." - is exactly what I was thinking.
That's all you've shown.
But you will just continue your campaign of Ad Hominem no matter what I say.
You won't deal with any facts related to debate.
Bull! Thought you'd use them? What a crock! Years apart? Users who posted it in 2004 and then another of your aliases posts it in 2006?? Some obscure comment and you're trying to tell us that you call just use each others words from ballot to ballot? You search each other's comments? Pages and pages of comments? BULL!
WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH ABU ZARQAWI IF HE IS CAUGHT ALIVE?
by manofletters
ACTIVE Tue Aug 03, 04
Too late to catch him. He's dead, even if some political fools like to pretend otherwise.
The Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (who had a prosthetic leg) was killed by the USA during their early bombing campaign in April 2003 when they blew up his house. The claims that he is still alive are false, and there are four COMPLETELY DIFFERENT voices on the beheading videos and audio-tapes that have all been claimed as being him, which is impossible since the guy is dead. DEAD. Completely dead. Never coming back and never will kind of dead. Can't torture him, because he's dead. Can't do any of those things listed on the ballot so far, because he's dead. Get over it, and stop being so gullible about believing that he's alive and leading al-Queda because he isn't.
by Daughter_of_Khitai on Mon Oct 04, 04 7
NOW THAT ABU MUSAB AL-ZARQAWI IS DEAD...
by ABC
ACTIVE Thu Jun 08, 06
The Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (who had a prosthetic leg) was killed by the USA during their early bombing campaign in April 2003 when they blew up his house. The claims that he was still alive are false, and there are four COMPLETELY DIFFERENT voices on the beheading videos and audio-tapes that have all been claimed as being him. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed back in April 2003, over 1 & 1/2 years before the Bush & Blair lying govts started blaming him for the Nick Berg Beheading video.
by Coldcircuit on Jun 12,2006 10
WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH ABU ZARQAWI IF HE IS CAUGHT ALIVE?
by manofletters
ACTIVE Tue Aug 03, 04
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed back in April 2003, over 1 & 1/2 years before the Bush & Blair lying govts started blaming him for the Nick Berg Beheading video. If he turns up alive, then he's either immortal, or an undead vampire.
by Numanx on Sat Sep 11, 04 6
So you claim it was just a copy and paste? Because if you copy and paste its identical. You can see above that some is identical and some has been added to. And what, Coldcircuit on June 12, 2006, virtually 2 years after Numanx and DOK made the comment, she found herself needing a comment on the same topic and thought "hmmm, 2 years ago, Numanx and DOK made comments on this topic. I'll search pages and pages of their comments to find it, then I'll just use it? Who believes that?
Bull! Thought you'd use them? What a crock! Years apart?
by Beauregard on Thu Aug 23, 07 11:11am
That makes a lot more sense then you seem to realise. Nobody is going to keep the same exact comments on their computer for years, and years, and years, in some kind of document file. When pressed for time and asked to present the same information, again, again, and again - the best way to deal with it is simply COPY AND PASTE it.
The reality of debates about 9-11, is that trolls like you will ignore that their argument has already been answered with replied to. Why bother re-typing an entire reply when it's much quicker to find that answer which beat your excuses about 9-11 already. Simply COPY AND PASTE it.
All you've proven is that many people on this side are guilty of COPY AND PASTE.
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