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This poll is lsanted as you do not give other options, so I will not comment further.
^comment and dont vote. Simple.
Did I really need to tell you that though?
Steelhamster. How difficult is it for you to express your own "options" in words?
Saying you won't comment because you don't like the options is acting like a...
Are we wasting too much time on this silly subject? Conspiracy buffs are not going to surrender their positions, and neither are those who do not believe in a 9-11 conspiracy. Wasted time and breath.
Jinn the Racist is getting desperate as is evidenced by his fascist refusal to allow any choices other than his own - a bit like Stalin or Hitler, the same racist school of thought anyway. (o:
Government Insider Says Bush
Authorized 911 Attacks
Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff.
Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.
The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones' radio show.
Forwarded with Compliments of Free Voice of America (FVOA): Accurate News and Interesting Commentary for Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free.
Note: All honor to Stanley Hilton for risking his life so that we may know the truth of 9/11.
The Bush Junta Unmasked
"This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder." --Stanley Hilton
Alex Jones interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers' lawsuit
AJ: He is back with us. He is former Bob Dole's chief of staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. He represents hundreds of the victims families of 9/11. He is suing Bush for involvement in 9/11. Now a major Zogby poll out - half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11. And joining us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is Stanley Hilton. Stanley, it's great to have you on with us.
SH: Glad to be on.
AJ: We'll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you've deposed a lot of military officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in a nutshell, what is your case alleging?
SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning .....
(to be continued)
Nobody except those individuals at the very top of each section of such a large scale operation would need to know enough that their knowledge would be dangerous, as far as I'm concerned. Like any major black op, there would be compartmentalisation of information. Everything on a "need to know" basis, and nothing more. Many are just going to be "following orders
If we went through every claim that Jinn is making, I doubt 99% of them would hold up.
Like this one; "Everyone in the NIST"... I have to ask WHY? EVERYONE??? Are you kidding??? WHY?
So why hasn't Hilton been silenced like everyone else who has inside knowledge?
Or is he the only one besides conspiracy theorists who knows anything?
Isn't anyone of the "Arabs did it" defenders going to answer my question about why EVERYONE in NIST would need to be involved, or for that matter, ANY OF THEM?
Conspiracy theroists are retarded.
I agree that the Arabs Did It conspiracy theorists are retarded, but we want a little more than just insults, don't we, Noblesse....?
(continued from above)
....At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.
AJ: That's right. They were all Straussian followers of a Nazi-like professor. And now they are setting it up here in America. Stanley, I know you deposed a lot of people and you've got your $7 million dollar lawsuit with hundreds of the victim's families involved.
SH: 7 billion, 7 billion
AJ: Yeah, 7 billion. Can you go over some of the new and incriminating evidence you've got of them ordering the attack?
SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers' class action lawsuit as well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three arguments are they violated the Constitution by ordering this event. And secondly that they fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, and all these lies.
AJ: Tell you what, stay there. Stanley, we've got to break. Let's come back and get into the evidence. BREAK.....
(to be continued)
To quote Duke from Doonesbury. "I met George Bush when he was at College. He was talking about invading Iraq back then but he was shit faced at the time so I didnt take him seriously"
Stanley Hilton's lawsuit supposedly included 400 unnamed plaintiffs, with four plaintiffs that were actually named including Abel Ashes, Scott Munson, Ralph Tibbs, and Stanley Hilton, himself. The claim of 400 unnamed 9/11 victim's family member plaintiffs was repeated by Hilton and others for over two years. In 2004 the number of 9/11 family members was inexplicably reduced to "40" and Hilton claimed that he "never said" there were 400 plaintiffs when in fact he is on the record for having said just that in an interview with radio host Alex Jones in 2003. The individual plaintiffs allege violations of their constitutional rights, under the USA Patriot Act. The lawsuit alleges that Scott Munson was prevented by federal park rangers from distributing anti-war literature at Baker Beach in San Francisco, while Abel Ashes was assaulted and falsely arrested by security guards, then fired from his job at Neiman Marcus.
Scott Munson asked to be removed as a plaintiff as he was added without his consent. Among the other things he apparently stated: Stanley Hilton is a fraud. I have never met a more seemingly incompetent or kooky lawyer than Stanley Hilton. Stanley Hilton fabricated legal elements in my name for his 911 lawsuit. When I visited Stanley Hilton's SF office I was shocked to find he had inserted claims on my behalf that I had never made. - this I even got from a conspiracy website. So much for Mr. Hilton's credibility.
people will try to profit from anything. that's capitalism for you.
(continued from above)
....AJ: All right my friends, second hour, the anniversary of the globalist attack coming up.
It's an amazing individual we have on the line.
Bob Dole's former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack.
He's suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11.
It's a $7 billion lawsuit. And he is Stanley Hilton. I know that a lot of stations just joined us in Los Angeles and Rhode Island and Missouri and Florida and all over.
Please sir, recap what you were just stating and then let's get into the new evidence.
And then we'll get into why you are being harassed by the FBI, as other FBI people are being harassed who have been blowing the whistle on this.
So, this is really getting serious. Stanley, tell us all about it....
(to be continued)
Fiddle left something important out in his little biased contribution -
Stanley Hilton removes Scott Munson as plaintiff
Reply to: see below
Date: 2004-11-01, 2:56PM PST
Scott Munson has been removed as a plaintiff from Stanley Hilton's lawsuit against the Bush Administration over 9/11, The USA PATRIOT Act, and the ongoing so-called "War On Terror".
Stanley Hilton also responds to Munson's Craigslist posting:
"Stanley Hilton Is A Fraud" by Scott Munson
I ASKED THE FED COURT TO DISMISS MUNSUN AS A PLAINTIFF IN THIS CASE TODAY. I NEVER GOT ANY CALLS OR E MAILS FROM HIM.
THE FALSE AND DEFAMATORY ALLEGATIONS ABOUT ME BY SCOTT MUNSUN ARE TOTALLY FALSE.
MUNSUN AGREED TO BE A PLAINTIFF IN THIS CASE, IN THE PRESENCE OF WITNESSES.
HE NEVER PHONED ME OR WROTE TO ME REQUESTING TO BE REMOVED AS A PLAINTIFF FROM THE CASE.
THE FIRST I HEARD OF THIS WAS TODAY, NOV. 1 2004 ON CRAIGSLIST.
MUNSUN'S FALSE AND LIBELOUS ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME ARE BIZARRE AND WITHOUT ANY MERIT.
I HAVE FORMALLY ASKED THE COURT TO REMOVE MUNSON AS A PLAINTIFF IN THIS CASE TODAY, IN ACCORD WITH HIS WISHES.
SEE ATTACHMENT.
I SUSPECT MIKE RUPPERT IS BEHIND THIS UNJUSTIFIABLE ATTEMPT TO DEFAME ME, BECAUSE OF WHAT HE PERCEIVES AS A "RIVALRY" IN THE "911 TRUTH MOVEMENT."
STANLEY G HILTON
You forgot to tell the whole story Fiddle, up to your old tricks again I see (o:
Stanley Hilton Lawsuit
Stanley G. Hilton has filed a class action lawsuit in Federal court in Northern California against against high officials in the current Bush administration (including the federal government, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Mueller, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft), for complicity in aiding and abetting and facilitating the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks.
His suit contends, and we strongly concur, that the defendants did so in order to launch unconstitutional aggressive war against the sovereign states of Afghanistan and Iraq, declare political opponents "enemy combatants," suspend the Constitution indefinitely, etc., all for sordid political ends which subvert the very system of laws and Constitution the defendants have sworn to uphold in their offices.
The suit alleges that Bush, as President, violated the US Constitution by deliberately lying to - and defrauding - the US Congress into passing an "Enabling Act" resolution in October 2002, authorizing Bush to wage aggressive war on Iraq. The war is unconstitutional and an illegal drain on the US taxpayers' funds in the treasury. The suit alleges the Iraq war is unconstitutional and that declaratory and injunctive relief should be ordered. It is unconstitutional and illegal because the president violated the Separation of Powers provisions of the Constitution by deliberately lying to the Congress by falsely assuring them that Bush had evidence of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, and that Iraq was involved in plotting and carrying out the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade center Twin Towers and the Pentagon Attack - attacks actually orchestrated by defendants. The suit also alleges that the USA Patriot Act I and Patriot Act 2 are unconstitutional and must be struck down as such, because they violate the fourth, fifth, ninth and first amendments to the US Constitution, by permitting the government to spy on Americans and violate their rights to privacy, and because the Patriot Acts, like the war in Iraq, were passed under false and fraudulent circumstances presented by defendants to the Congress.
The suit argues that to the extent that the US Constitution is legally analogous to a "contract" between the government and the plaintiffs (taxpayers), it seems that deliberate fraud by defendants should nullify any unconstitutional acts by them, such as the aggressive war and occupation of Iraq and the Patriot Acts.
The Plaintiffs believe they have the right to bring this suit as American citizens and that they face an imminent threat to their freedom from defendants, arising out of the entire orchestrated scenario of 9/11, the PA laws that were passed as a proximate result of 9/11, and the actions of defendants in infringing on their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.
911review.org strongly supports Stanley Hilton's courageous actions to hold the officials responsible for the 9/11 massacres liable to punishment, and to repeal the Fraudulent Legislation such as the Patriot Act.
Hilton is persisting in this legal action despite threats to his life and we call on all our readers to support his actions by all means necessary. Please donate generously to the 9/11 Victims Legal Fund.
Voted : Sure they can, their lives have been threatened with death!
Whenever anyone speaks of conspiracies, Oscar Wilde comes to mind for me. He said, and I paraphrase roughly, "If I wake up one morning, believing that everyone in the world is out to get me, then I'm not necessarily paranoid. But, if I wake up every morning, believing that every piece of Stilton cheese in the world is out to get me..."
{people will try to profit from anything. that's capitalism for you.
by neothe1 on Wed Aug 30, 06 11:12am}
It happens in communism too
you would say that, bushie.
The Tinfoil Hat man Hilton has been disgraced because he was caught redhanded lying about his lawsuit, the one that was thrown out. Need I say more?
Good to see that NO ONE could address my point.
So why hasn't Hilton been silenced like everyone else who has inside knowledge?
(what? -like murdered? - he has already had several death threats made against him -Ken)
Or is he the only one besides conspiracy theorists who knows anything?
(No he isn't, and well you know it - Ken)
by wideheadofknowledge
"The Tinfoil Hat man Hilton has been disgraced because he was caught red handed lying about his lawsuit, the one that was thrown out. Need I say more?"
by Jinn_the_Kafir
"Yeah - you need to say a lot more!
Like the only reason it was thrown out is because it was considered unconstitutional to bring a lawsuit against a president in office, just like the Patriot acts1 and 2 are unconstitutional, and as per usual you fail to address the lawsuit instead preferring to attack the man's credibility, just the same as you do anyone who disagrees with your official tin foil hat conspiracy, which doesn't stand up to cross examination.
(continued from above)
SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places.
And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush.
Personally ordered.
We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It's not just incompetence - in spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it.
He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th - when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal.
These people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this.
In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, "seen on television the first plane attack the first tower." And that could not be possible because there was no video.
What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over?
So this was a personally government-ordered thing. We are suing them under the Constitution for violating Americans' rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains.
And also, under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for being a corrupt entity.
And I've been harassed personally by the chief judge of the federal court who is instructing me personally to drop this suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30 years on the court.
I've been harassed by the FBI.
My staff has been harassed and threatened.
My office has been broken into and this is the kind of government we are dealing with....
(to be continued)
And why haven't the offices and staff or friends and families of the makers of "Loose Change" been searched or harrassed?
And to wheel out the old "Bush said he saw the first plane hit" crap is ridiculuous. This is guy who is lampooned continually for messing up his words, tripping over his speeches and generally looking like a buffoon. He f*cked up again when he made that comment. Simple as that.
And if Hilton is one of many then where the hell are they?! I cannot find ANY credible sources that support his position.
The official story makes sense, is backed up by investigation, analysis of the evidence and just plain old common sense with a dash of logical, critical thinking.
What evidence would prove to you that there was not a conspiracy?
"The official story makes sense,
by wideheado fknowledge on Thu Aug 31, 06 1:39am"
The officila story makes NO SENSE, and it's not backed by any proper investigation. The steel from WTC 1 and 2 was never properly analysed buut was disposed off. The 9-11 Commission was a whitewash, and the members recently admitted that they were lied to by the military. There was no full investigation. The mathematical models of the collapses of WTC 1 and 2 failed with the empirical data to model the collapses themselves.
wideheadof knowlegde tells big lies
NUMBER ONE; a mathematical model of the collapse of WTC 7 proving that there was enough energy for a gravity driven collapse. It must model in the formula the collapse of WTC 7 the whole collapse, not only the beginning, but all the way to the end.
The mathematical formula must work too. If it can't pass independent calculation and analysis, and in way requires alteration or deviation from the empirical data, then it fails.
Either you can provide the mathematical model or you can't. Can you or can't you?
why don't you just give it up? you won't be able to protect them.
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