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But I've got to say, if she's right and moderate muslims can so easily be persuaded to kill infidels then perhaps we ought to be watching moderate muslims more closely. Apparently one wrong word and they'll go jihad on your ass.
That being said what is this whore doing parading her body around like this? Should she be stoned to death?
Sounds like princess is initiating her own little Royal Jihad... she obviouysly has her eye on Buckingham Palace!
by MO_ on Sat Sep 02, 06 9:05am
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I just googled her image... The pic of her in the sequined gown, sash "Mrs England 2005" jeweled crown, bouquet w/ trophy in hand... she looks exactly like a 'Smokey Reese Witherspoon'! Seriously! Are Muslims now pandering to Kentucky?
by MO_ on Sat Sep 02, 06 9:39am
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Voted : She's wrong, stereotyping doesn't force muslims to become terrorists
Her words should be of no surprise to anyone. Its the same old often repeated and over-used line "Muslims are the victims".
When have you ever heard Muslims take responsibility for their violent terrorist actions? Its as if Muslims are incapable of accepting blame for anything. How can the problems inherent in Islam's teachings be confronted when the so called "moderate" and apologist Muslims refuse to accept that Muslims are capable of violence, and when they do act violently, its always someone elses fault, never theirs??? Hell, they still deny Muslims caused 9/11 and 7/11. And Muslims in Asia accuse the west for causing the tsunami disaster, believing that Allah would never bring such destruction upon Muslims!
If you can read between the lines, this woman is basically issuing a vieled threat and warning to westerners, "Get off our backs or else face the consequences!" Why? Beacuse she knows Islam teaches Muslims not take crap from infidels, and to dominate them, bully them. Islam promotes itself as the superior and all that don't adhere to Islam are weak, evil and the enemy.
Muslims take advantage of the weakness and the flaw in western society called "political correctess", and use it to spread their precious Islam by any means necessary.
Muslims know we are handicapped by our laws and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and they use them against us. Whatever makes us weak makes them strong. Muslims never respect anyone's human rights but demand it from others. Muslims will not respect our laws unless they fear them. The laws in democratic countries are child's play compared to Islamic laws. Is it any wonder that the more Islamic a country is the more iron-fisted the laws and controls of its rulers, ie; Iran, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Iraq under Saddam, etc..
The Bush-generated Shiite government in Baghdad is finding out how true this is. The Sunnis, who, are justifiably afraid of Shiite ethnic cleansing, have created a violent, and effective, insurgency, that has brought Iraq to the brink of civil war, and demonstrated just how hapless, incompetent, corrupt, and impotent the Bush Adminstration really is.
(herzie ballot category: "Muslim Bashing")
That's right Cranky, and the Coalition forces have learned the hard way. They are fighting against a killing cult made up of people that are tought from birth to never accept anything from infidels. This is why Iraq is the way it is today. The Mujahideen (jihadist) Muslims there will stop at nothing to make sure the infidels fail in their mission. They are desparate to win at any cost in order to cause this failure. They will resort to any means, tactic and use of fear and violence to get the job done, even if it means killing their own.
8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers
The Coalition forces are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs (political correctness), and the Mujahideen know this is the weakness of the infidel army, and they use it to their advantage. They cry fowl over the simple humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in the hands of coalition forces, yet they are permitted by Allah to kidnap anyone they want, tie them up, torture them, shoot them in the head or cut their heads off.
9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
^^^ Big deal, most Muslims wouldn't have a clue where those 600 year old lines come from, wouldn't have a clue was smiting means, and wouldn't care if they did, just like most Christians wouldn't have a clue about most lines in the Bible, and wouldn't care if they did.
^Yes, and the ones that don't have a clue don't worry me.
Voted : This is a stereotypical racist ethnic profiling ballot and should be ignored.
how does :
"stereotyping members of her community is leading some towards extremism. "
make you question :
"someone calls you a terrorist will that convince you that you need to give up your job, family and friends, so you can strap on an explosive vest and run towards the nearest playground?"
by LCD on Sat Sep 02, 06 12:31pm
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if some australian tied you up and lined up 1000 australians and have them spit in your face, one after another, and see if you don't get "extreme" in your opinion about australians.
by LCD on Sat Sep 02, 06 12:33pm
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LCD. I don't see the relevence in your analogy. Where are the Muslims in England that are being tied up and spat upon? The Muslims in England have the same rights and freedoms as any other immigrants that have moved there and reside there. Other immigrants face the same difficulties in assimilation as Muslims do. But yet why do we not see members of other religious groups, ethnic and cultural backgrounds blowing up trains and buses, wearing shoe-bombs, or conspiring to blast multiple numbers of airliners out of the sky???? The only thing Muslims are a victim of is their own fanatical religion that was created by a madman 1400 years ago.
Voted : People in second class status may, understandably, become hostile to the dominant society
Oppresion will have the very efect people think.
I don't understand this ballot.
When I read this article in the paper in the last week, my only thought was that she was a complete fucking Moron, to be honest.
If what she says is TRUE, then Muslims are a petty, vindictive bunch of borderline suicide bombers, who must be watched extremely closely.
If what she says is NOT true (which it isnt), she is a fucking moron, as I stated originally. And, sadly, she is listened to, and makes the front page, SIMPLY because she is a Muslim and is pretty. So much for equality eh?
I would say that this statement is a little naive, but at the same time, if you push Muslims into the fringe (and they do get pushed into the fringe), they become more and more isolated, and more hostile to society. I mean, look at Germany.
THat's what happens to the younger generation as a whole. Look at the general slums they live in.
by aya on Sat Sep 02, 06 9:30pm
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The difference is the Nazis actively seperated themselves from the Jewish community.
The Muslim community in England seperate THEMSELVES.
NO, not necessarily, Britain is very skin colour prejudiced, and it is difficult for Muslims to fit in, to find jobs, they weren't, for the longest time, allocated the same social services as the rest of England. It's not like "Oh, England is so tolerant, so kind, they let these barbarians in."
Nazis have nothing to do with the ballot.
"The difference is the Nazis actively seperated themselves from the Jewish community."
Nazis have nothing to do with this ballot.
"The Muslim community in England seperate THEMSELVES."
Actually, that's not true; Muslims in Europe often experience racism, live in the poorest slums, and don't have access to the same social services as Westerners do (with say, the exception of Scandanavian countries). Besides, it's harder for them to fit into a society where drinking is so paramount. England is very skin color prejudiced. It's not like "Oh, England is all tolerant, and englightened."
"That being said what is this whore doing parading her body around like this? Should she be stoned to death?"
Well, what was she wearing? If she's a Muslim, she was problably dressed very conservatively, so what's your complaint?
by aya on Sat Sep 02, 06 10:44pm
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A Republican candidate for a Cocord congressional seat said Wednesday that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Maxwell, 59, seeks the 2nd District congressional seat. The Concord resident opposes the incumbent, Charles Bass of Peterborough, and Berlin Mayor Bob Danderson in the Republican primary Sept. 12.
Maxwell would not specify if she holds the opinion that the government stood by while terrorists hijacked four domestic airliners and used them as weapons, or if it had a larger role by sanctioning and carrying out the attacks.
But she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant “to soften us up . . . to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights . . . to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims . . . and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs,” giving Americans a reason “to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons.”
In an editorial board interview with The Telegraph on Wednesday, the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.
Having watched a the relevant portion of the interview (just over 11 minures worth) I can safely say that Mary Maxwell has well and truly f*cked up.
Where has she got the idea that there was a conspiracy?
1) She saw some polls in a newpaper that said that 60% or so of canadians didn't buy the officail story
2) She read the "Northwoods memo" on the internet
3) She read a book about the sinking of Luisitania.
She is about as much help to the conspiracy theorists as those muppets who copy and paste their "evidence" on this site.
I urge all of you out there who are interested to google "mary maxwell 9-11" and watch it yourselves.
To promote this as yet more evidence for a conspiracy is about as sad, shallow and insidious as you can get.
'f some australian tied you up and lined up 1000 australians and have them spit in your face, one after another, and see if you don't get "extreme" in your opinion about australians.'
My god you're right! All muslims in western nations are being detained so that westerners can spit in their faces! And if that happened to me I would definitely be willing to kill myself so long as I could take a few aussie women and children who had nothing to do with it down with me. That makes perfect sense.
Ken: stop putting nonsense on my ballots. You want to believe your insane conspiracies? Go ahead, but keep it to ballots that actually have something to dowith insane conspiracies. And maybe you should just not enter any more choices for a while because you obviously haven't got the knack for it yet.
LCD: she says stereotyping muslims (calling them terrorists) leads them to extremism (aka terrorism). And we all know that terrorists prefer soft targets with a high emotional value, like say a playground. And how do they go about this? A number of ways but often a bomber on a lone suicide mission. That seems to be what they prefer.
"And we all know that terrorists prefer soft targets"
Yeah, like apartment buildings full of children.
Oh...wait, that was Israel. Ooops.
"...To promote this as yet more evidence for a conspiracy is about as sad, shallow and insidious as you can get."
by wideheadofknowledge
Yet more denial, the truth hurts for the narrow mind of ignorance.
Ken:
You have to understand. Anytime you put something on a foxzog ballot that disagrees with the neocon party line, it ruins the propaganda effect. Then herzie starts having a hissy.
Can we at least agree, though, cranky, that terrorists could at least be *trying* to find a better way to... work out their differences?
Aya
When you said,
"if you push Muslims into the fringe (and they do get pushed into the fringe), they become more and more isolated, and more hostile to society. I mean, look at Germany"
I assumed you were creating a compariosn with the Jews in Nazi Germany. Im not guessing you were in fact referring to a perceived racism against Muslims in modern day Germany? Nvere heard of that, but ok.
And I disagree with you about Muslims In England.
When Polls repeatedely show majority of Muslims in England think the English are drunk, the woman are whores, Shariah law should be implemented, and terrorist attacks can be justified because of British foreign policy, I think its safe to say they segreagte themselves, not the other way round.
Indeed, they should leave the country considering the views they have. But they dont, do they? Why?Because they know the majority of Muslim countries are a pile of outdated medieval SHIT in comparison, thats why.
*im NOW guessing
Himself:
I agree with you absolutely. Terrorism is a terrible thing. However, rightwing bigots use terrorism as a cover for promoting state terrorism against whatever group they are expousing hatred against.
Underneath all their euphemisms, patriotic chest-thumping, and manipulative double-speak they really have no answers to the problems of terrorism. In fact, on an emotional level I don't think they want terrorism to stop: the existence of terrorism works to their propaganda advantage. What they really want is an excuse to attack groups they hate. Terrorism is one such excuse. A damn good one, as it turns out, but still just a cover for aggressive rightwing bigotry.
Agreed, basically.
I am not muslim. The American media is bias and calls those who are actually freedom fighters as terrorists. Actual terrorists are those who kill thousands of people, commit mass murders like what we have seen in Lebanon and Gaza.
Also the killings in Africa can be called acts of terrorism. The media doesn't report that either.
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