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oops a grammatical error and maybe this should be under religion... but I guess it can fit under both.
Voted : Other (comment)
Yeah, just like we believe that Bush is the "Peace President."
I dont believe ANY religion is peacefull they are all as bad as each other IMO.
anyone who thinks islam is peace should think again i live i australia and viewing a 9/11 doc i would be dealing with them in a way that would make bush be a pussyfooter
Anyone who believes Islam is a religion of peace has not been paying attention for the last millenia.
No, Judaism is the religion of peace. 
Exactly what minni said.
And I think all religions have been used in the past as ways to gang up against each other, it's what people do, it's part of why religions were even started in the first place I bet.
And we think we're somehow better than apes :p
by Jyl on Wed Sep 06, 06 7:27am
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Voted : Other (comment)
No.
It depends on the type of Islam being practiced.
Voted : Other (comment)
I don't think any Abrahamic religion can be called a "religion of peace". However, the full connotation of the word Islam is: "the peace that comes when one's life is surrendered to God." (The World's Religions, Smith)
^Some have also said that Islam means peace, but there is no evidence of such a usage of the word, and Muslims have not been able to substantiate this.
However, better educated Muslims agree that "Islam" does not mean "peace" but "submission", because study and research of the Arabic root words for Islam do substantiate this, not "peace" as the Islamic propagandists and apologists are trying to claim.
Voted : Yes, Islam is a religion of peace
Islam, like Christianity, is a religion which can be twisted to many purposes. Islam is as much a religion of peace as Christianity.
They want world domination they dont want peace.
It's as least as peaceful as Christianity.
The main difference with Islam is that the religion itself seems to teach its followers to kill or convert non-believers. Where Christianty teachs teaches peace and tolerance even if its followers don't practice this.
Islam is not being twisted but the violent segment of Islam I believe is the true face of the religion.
If anyone actually researches how Muhammed himself spread his teachings as well they are anything but peaceful.
Christianity teaching peace and tolerance even though its followers don't practice peace and tolerance speaks volumes about the religion and its followers.
The problem that most non-muslim people have is that they do not understand what the concept of "peace" really means in Islam. And thus are being missled by what Muslims tell them.
Peace in Islam will only be achieved when the entire world is Islamic, or "submits" to Islam. The Quran states "The whole world belongs to Allah". Only Allah can rule the world, noone else.
When Iranian leaders say they are developing nuclear technology for "peaceful purposes", they are telling the truth.
if you actually do a little research, yes, islam is all about peace. even they're greeting "es salaam aleikom" means "peace unto you".
but i know bigots have a hard time with the concept of research.
you can't confuse the taliban, the saudis, al-quaeda, or even the NOI as actually islamic. they regularly, and almost exclusively, violate the laws of the real religion.
all religions have their share of barbarism. islam does have some of that, like intolerance for homosexuality. but there's far less than in most religions, with the exception of buddhism, which is more a philosophy than a religion.
Neo, Its the source of your research that counts. If want to learn the truth about anything to do with Islam don't get it from Islamists and their Islamic propaganda web sites.
"wind" as a clock, and "wind" as blows through your hair. Two words the same, two different sounds, two different meanings. That's how you have been sucked in with your disinformation on the Arabic "peace".
do some research, bigot. try actually looking into an issue. THEN form a conclusion. that's how it works.
Tha't an old bullcrap explaination from years ago. True Arabic Islamic scholars know that is a lie.
until you actually look into the issue, you have no credibility. go do some research for once.
This is what a true Islamic scholar will tell you:
The word "Islam" is a VERB not a NOUN.
Let me repeat that one more time: The word "Islam" is a VERB not a NOUN.
Judaism is a NOUN after Judah. Christianity is a NOUN after Christ
Islam is an Arabic VERB.
The word MUSLIM is an Arabic word that means: The person who does the VERB ISLAM.
If you WALK then you become a WALKER
If you READ then you become a READER.
If you ISLAM then you become an ISLAMER = MUSLIM in Arabic.
Most statements that come from people who attack Islam would sound to us like:
How come you READERS are acting as WALKERS while you claim to only be READERS?
This is what we Muslims always mean when we ask people to know what Islam is? What does it mean? Where does it come from?
I hear people say Islam = PEACE, this is not correct the word PEACE in Arabic is SALAM not ISLAM.
Islam comes from the ROOT word in Arabic SA'LA'MA which contains the following 5 words:
Surrender, Submission, Obedience, Purity / Sincerity and Peace.
Open any Arabic dictionary if you can read Arabic and you will find what I've said above.
ISLAM is a VERB that means: SURRENDER your will to god "Allah"; OBEY his commandments; be in total SUBMISSION to what he wants you to do all the time; and do all the above PUERLY / SINCERILY for his sake alone; in order to achieve PEACE between your soul and him the one and only creator.
A MUSLIM is a person who does "ISLAM": SURRENDER your will to god "Allah"; OBEY his commandments; be in total SUBMISSION to what he wants you to do all the time; and do all the above PUERLY / SINCERILY for his sake alone; in order to achieve PEACE between your soul and him the one and only creator.
ISLAM is what god "Allah" has always commanded all of us to do. It is the word and way of god "Allah"
Islam IS ISLAM a unique VERB that has no other meaning and no other interpretation.
A Muslim is a person that does ISLAM.
i am fully aware that "islam" means submission and "salaam" means peace. if you're not even going to read my posts, then nobody's going to listen to you, you're nothing. minds are like parachutes
From the dictionary on the website ANSWERING ISLAM. A joint Christian-Muslim site designed to answer questions on both religions.
It states:
"Islam means submission"
read my post, bigot.
your behavior proves that you are prejudiced
Yes Neo, peace comes through submission to Islam. This submission, of course, is submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah in the Quran, in other words, Islam.
Theoretically, peace exists inside Dar ul Islam, the House of Submission. I say theoretically, because we all know that Muslims, even though they are not supposed to, do fight fellow Muslims. The most recent examples are the civil war in Afghanistan between the Pushtuns on one side and the Northern Alliance (Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc.) on the other. Other recent exceptions were the Iraqi attack on Iran, the Iraqi attack on Kuwait, the West Pakistani attack on East Pakistan which subsequently became Bangladesh, the Yemeni Civil War with Egypt and Saudi Arabia interfering, the civil war in Algeria, the war between Morocco and Algeria over the Saharan Republic, etc.
Peace with pagans, that is, not the People of the Book, is impossible, as they are all to be given a chance to accept Islam or be killed. This is illustrated by the recent killing of pagans in the South Sudan by northern Muslims attempting to impose Islamic Law on them, the killing of non-Muslims in Northern Nigeria by Muslims attempting to impose Islamic law on them, the attacks of the northern Muslims on the southern pagans in Chad with Gaddafi interfering, etc. With regard to Christians and Jews, they, too, are to be fought against until they are subdued and feel themselves subdued; that is found in Quran 9:29. Illustrations of this are also in Sudan, Nigeria, Chad, Indonesia and smaller atrocities against Christians in Egypt, and the heinous repression of all Christian activity in Saudi Arabia by the Wahhabis.
Muslim have to fight on until there is "no more tumult or oppression" Quran 2:190-193, Q.9:5
To say that Islam is a religion of peace is not true. Islam is committed to war by both the example of Muhammad who fought on until he subdued Mecca and then other tribes, and by the Quranic teaching itself, plus numerous references in the Hadith
Perhaps a quote from Amir Tahiri, the editor of Politique International of Paris would be illustrative of the current state of affairs. He says of the 30 wars going on at the present time, 28 involve Muslim people fighting either non-Muslims or even other Muslims!
The Quran, by the way, teaches that Muslims are never to initiate war. But Islam has a strange way of explaining this. For example, Muslims are supposed to offer non-Muslims an opportunity to embrace Islam. If the nonMuslims refuse, the Muslim thinking is that they have commited aggression against Allah and Islam. Therefore, the Muslim is allowed to fight these aggressors against Allah and Islam until they become Muslims or are killed. Perhaps the greatest proof that Islam is not a religion of peace is the interpretion of Quran 4:89 that says if anyone wants to leave Islam (turns renegade) he is to be put to death. This makes it the religion of fear, not peace.
There will be war in the world as long as people believe in Muhammad, his example and his teaching. The Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war.
It was Muhammad that divided the world long ago into two sides.
"Yes Neo, peace comes through submission to Islam."
which is different from every other religion how?
actually, it is different, because it considers other abrahamics, the followers of the previous scriptures, as believers. that's not mutual, the other abrahamic sects believe themselves to be special, that only their sect, or more commonly, their specific subsect, will get to heaven.
go do some research, i will not discuss with you untill you actually have something to discuss.
And I cannot discuss anything with someone that does not, or refuses to comprehend what they are being tought because of their trumphalist attitude that they cannot possibly be wrong in anything ever.
So I'm done with you. Maybe someone else will have more patients to show you the truth.
Ignore him Jinn, he's suffering from lack of sunlight. That and he's an ignoramus! :o)
"And I cannot discuss anything with someone that does not, or refuses to comprehend what they are being tought because of their trumphalist attitude that they cannot possibly be wrong in anything ever."
of course you know my response. but as i save that for when ken mirrors, and i haven't seen sufficient evidence that you are ken and not just some biased fuck who thinks and acts just like him.
but you will find that calling someone else what you are is not only completely ineffective, but incredibly revealing.
The meaning of "peace" in the Islamic doctine:
Peace in Islam will only be achieved when the entire world is Islamic, or "submits" to Islam. The Quran states "The whole world belongs to Allah". Only Allah can rule the world, noone else.
When Iranian leaders say they are developing nuclear technology for "peaceful purposes", they are telling the truth.
"Peace in Islam will only be achieved when the entire world is Islamic, or "submits" to Islam. The Quran states "The whole world belongs to Allah". Only Allah can rule the world, noone else."
it's the same in every theist religion on the planet.
that's nothing special, every theist religion is the same way, especially abrahamic monotheism. you're not helping your argument, especially considering that unlike the other religions, islam says this:
"Permission (to fight) is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and GOD is certainly able to support them. They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is GOD." If it were not for GOD's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and masjids - where the name of GOD is commemorated frequently - would have been destroyed. Absolutely, GOD supports those who support Him. GOD is Powerful, Almighty."
"You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice. If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."
i told you to go do some research.
"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable."
ignoring it won't make it go away, coward.
still hiding?
think i'm just going to forget?
come on out, coward. face your defeat.
it's not going to go away.
come on, coward.
come on
Better try a few more times.
he doesn't like evidence much, does he? i flat-out prove him wrong, and he dissapears. every time i post about this topic in another topic, he dissapears from there too.
^ He ain't gonna like this either.
Hey Jinn, how many wars has Islam or muslims caused over, say, the past hundred years? Name me some. Then compare it to how many wars christianity has caused over that period of time, which is the more violent religion hmmm bigot?
What i don't understand is how people can treat Islam and Muslims as if they are the next thing to the Nazis, its just wrong.
"Anyone who believes Islam is a religion of peace has not been paying attention for the last millenia."
It is you who hasn't been paying attention then, Islam has only been getting violent since the 1960s let alone 1000 years ago. The only violence i can think of that involves Muslims over the past millenia were actually caused by Christians, funny that .
Forget what the qur'an says because it's corruped, give me some historical evidence of Islam's history of violence and not stupid quotes off the internet.
Voted : No, Islam is a death cult
"Hey Jinn, how many wars has Islam or muslims caused over, say, the past hundred years? Name me some. Then compare it to how many wars christianity has caused over that period of time, which is the more violent religion hmmm bigot?"
by spartan001 on Tue Oct 03, 06 4:52pm
Foolish question.
If a Christian kills someone, even if the dispute is between two religious groups, such as the example in Northern Ireland, it is never inspired by religion itself. Nowhere in the Gospel is it written to terrorize and kill the people of other faiths. However the Quran is saturated with such exhorts. For a Muslim every war is a religious war. It is a fact, that Muslims virtually always yell "Allah-u-Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest") to prepare for killing, whether it be on the field of battle, readying to detonate himself in suicide, about to behead a hostage, or if he is about to crash a plane full of innocent humans. Christians do not go terrorizing people shouting "Jesus is great" just before they kill, in battle or anywhere. Every aspect of a Muslim's life from marriage, sex, killing, business, praying five times a day, eating and even how he wipes his ass is all controlled and dictated by the teachings of Islam. Mulsims cannot think for themselves freely nor independently of Islam. They are produced as mindless zombie robots from birth to their first day into the Masjid. Muhammad made sure of that. If a Mulsim were to ever think for himself, open his mind, he might begin to question his prophet and the quran. However, Muhammad made a decree to create a safeguard against this. He banned all educative books, was against schools and other places of learning. He set the punishment for Blasphemy and Apostasy by a Mulsim in Islam as death, by way of execution via beheading. And of course, as the sword comes down upon his neck the executioner shouts Allah-u-Akbar!
Now, tell me what wars of the past hundred years were inspired, caused or instigated by the religious doctrine and teachings of Christianity?
"It is a fact, that Muslims virtually always yell "Allah-u-Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest") to prepare for killing, whether it be on the field of battle"
Its a battle cry for god sake, people say things like that when people go to fight. Don't you think christians say a prayer to god or a cry to god when entering a fray.
"Now, tell me what wars of the past hundred years were inspired, caused or instigated by the religious doctrine and teachings of Christianity?"
Well, WW2 for starters.
"There was no 'complete', official theory of fascism anywhere. Among comments on the Nazi movement, those of its leader Adolf Hitler are thought to be very influential. He claimed in his book Mein Kampf (My Struggle) that he first began to develop his views through observations he made while living in Vienna. He concluded that there was a racial, RELIGIOUS, and cultural hierarchy, and he placed "Aryans" at the top as the ultimate superior race, while Jews and "Gypsies" were people at the bottom."
"Hitler extended his rationalizations into a religious doctrine, underpinned by his criticism of traditional Catholicism. In particular, and closely related to Positive Christianity, Hitler objected to Catholicism's ungrounded and international character - that is, it did not pertain to an exclusive race and national culture. At the same time, and somewhat contradictorily, the Nazis combined elements of Germany's Lutheran community tradition with its Northern European, organic pagan past. Elements of militarism found their way into Hitler's own theology, as he preached that his was a "true" or "master" religion, because it would "create mastery" and avoid comforting lies. Those who preached love and tolerance, "in contravention to the facts", were said to be "slave" or "false" religions. The man who recognized these "truths", Hitler continued, was said to be a "natural leader", and those who denied it were said to be "natural slaves". "Slaves" – especially intelligent ones, he claimed – were always attempting to hinder their masters by promoting false religious and political doctrines.
Anti clericalism can also be interpreted as part of Nazi ideology, simply because the new Nazi hierarchy was not about to let itself be overode by the power that the Church traditionally held. In Austria, clerics had a powerful role in politics and ultimately responded to the Vatican. Although a few exceptions exist, Christian persecution was primarily limited to those who refused to accommodate the new regime and yield to its power. The Nazis often used the church to justify their stance and included many Christian symbols in the Third Reich (Steigmann–Gall). A particularly poignant exemplar is the seen in the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer."
"Hitler and other Nazi leaders clearly made use of both Christian and Pagan symbolism and emotion in propagandizing the Germanic public, and it remains a matter of controversy whether Hitler believed himself a Christian, a heathen, or something else entirely. Some historians have typified Hitler as a neo-Pagan, whereas other writers have referred to Nazism's occasional outward use of Christian doctrine, regardless of what its inner-party mythology may have been. Many Nazi leaders subscribed either to a mixture of modern (pseudo-)scientific theories, as Hitler himself did, or to mysticism and occultism, which was especially strong in the SS. Central to both groupings was the belief in German racial superiority. The existence of a Ministry of Church Affairs, instituted in 1935 and headed by Hanns Kerrl, was hardly recognized by ideologists such as Alfred Rosenberg or by other political decision makers."
"Despite Germany's long history as the seat of the Holy Roman Empire and the birthplace of the Reformation, Christianity was in a decline during the rise of the Nazi Party. Some of the factors leading to this decline were the after affects of World War I which challenged "traditional" European viewpoints, the decline in political parties backed by the Catholic Church. The decline of the Centre Party Germany was an enabler for the rise of the Nazi Party."
"Many Christians believed Nazism to be a Christian movement. Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts."
atheism. about. com/ library/ FAQs/ christian/ blfaq_ viol_ index. htm
Spartan. The three most dangerous motives for war are religion, race and nationalism. Hitler's war was purely based on both race and nationaism. A nationalism built on the foundations of promoting a racial superiority, not religious superiority. Hitler's created political party was the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist), from which the term "Nazi" is (shortened) derived.
The only "religous" ideology that inspired Hitler and his Nazism came from his doctrine "Mein Kampf". The only time Hitler discusses religion in his doctrine is when he mentions "Jews", but even then he only speaks of Jews in terms of a race. Hitler believed the Jewish race was conspiring to take over the world, but also believed it was truely and naturally the destiny of the superior Aryan race to dominate the world. Hitler hated the "Jew Race" not Judaism. Hitler criticised the clothing of Jews, saying "they dress differently from the German.
Much of what Hitler learned to hate about Jews came directly from Muslims. Before and during the War Hitler had made friends and allies with some Islamic states, from which a number of Islamic clerics and officials made many visits to see Hitler. You can research this on your own, its not difficult. Nazism and Islam had something very much in common, they both despised Jews.
Hitler did NOT base any of his ideals, beliefs on Christianity as you are trying to falsely imply. At best, Hitler USED the Christian religionists as a tool for his sick plans, but Hitler murdered and killed for an ideology, that ideology was Nazism.
It does not matter what religion Hitler was born into nor claimed to follow. That point is moot, because his behavior was not even remotely Christian. In fact, he acted in spite of what the Bible teaches, not because of it. In fact, the Christians and the Jews worship from the same doctrine.
You told me to find a war that was inspired, caused or instigated by the religious doctrine and teachings of Christianity and i have.
I can find loads of quotes to say that Hitler used religion to fuel his war. Paragraphes that use the words "religous" and Christianity" multiple times. It says clearly that his religious docrine was closely related to christianity and his criticism of Catholicism. He also concluded that there was a racial, religious, and cultural hierarchy.
"Hitler USED the Christian religionists as a tool for his sick plans."
Sounds like another religion i can think of.
"but Hitler murdered and killed for an ideology, that ideology was Nazism."
And extremists murder and kill for an ideology, that ideology is Islamism.
"Adolf Hitler was brought up in his family's religion by his Roman Catholic parents, but as a school boy he began to reject the Church and Catholicism. After he had left home, he never attended Mass or received the Sacraments.
In later life, Hitler's religious beliefs present a discrepant picture: In public statements, he frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and belief in Christ. Hitler’s private statements, reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious but also anti-Christian man. However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism, and possibly even ridiculed such beliefs in private, but rather advocated a "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
Hitler believed in a social darwinist struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race" was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization and the Jews as enemies of all civilization. Whether his anti-semitism was influenced by older Christian ideas remains disputed. Hitler also strongly believed that "Providence" was guiding him in this fight.
Among Christian denominations Hitler favoured Protestantism, which was more open to such reinterpretations, but at the same time imitated some elements of Catholic church organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics."
The link Neothe1 has provided is interesting.
Spartan. It is obvious that you are simply arguing for that sake of arguement. You are merely grasping at straws desperately and you are not even presenting valid facts to support your claims, whatever they are supposed to be??? But instead give irrelevant remarks and comments that do NOT even substantiate your premise, whatever that is??? World War II was NOT inspired by the Christian doctrine, Christian teachings, religious faith in Jesus, the Christian god or anything holy. It was a unholy campaign promoted by the belief that the German nation and its German people of Aryan ancestry were superior to all others. It was not a religious campaign at all, in case THAT is what your are trying to promote.
Anything Hitler said about Christianity can be disgarded because once he came to power he saw all religions as an obstacle to his dreams of world domination. Instead he commanded that his people wage war for him, kill for him, and die for him in the name of Germany, the Third Riech empire and the Aryan race. Nothing could be more farther from the teachings of Christian doctrine.
Hitler was about as much a faithful follower of Christianity as I am, which is zero. At the very most he was a Christian by name only. Hitler had no respect for any religious faith. He broke virtually every single tenet of Christianity, right up to the moment he commited suicide. Did you not notice that the Christian world allied to defeat Hitler, not join him? The historical facts clearly show that Hitler did everything in his war in complete contrast to the teachings of Christianity, thus acting against it, not because of it. So the ludicrous claims you seem to be promoting are absolutely baseless and absurd. If you really do the proper research you will discover that once Hitler had gained power, he actually began to see Christianity as a threat to the National Socialists' domination of Germany. Following 1935, his speeches and writings became more and more virulent and anti-Christian. He argued that Christian worship was a sign of weakness, and that it should be replaced by reverence for the nation and the state, and of course for the National Socialist Party
People are against Nazism because it is a doctrine of hate. People against Islam because it too is a doctrine of hate. The former advocated the supremacy of a race the latter promotes the superiority of a religion. They both used violence to advance their objectives and they both had no respect for human lives and their rights. They both believed that since their ideology is right it is okay to kill people and the end justifies the means.
By the way, what people convey by word to your face and what they do by demonstration are two completely different things, which Hitler cleary and convincingly proved.
When the false prophet Muhammad was in Mecca and in a state of weakness, he said "There is no compulsion in religion", but he lied. When he rose to power in Medina he compelled people to convert to Islam, wage war for him and pay the tithes, or die.
he's still trying to pretend i dn't exist
try including me in every sentence, see him get out of that.
I am not grasping at straws and arguing for the sake of it, they are quotes, not my views, quotes from articles about Hitler, nazi ideology and WW2, they are valid.
I have also noticed that you are ignoring Neothe1 on the ballots that us three comment on, any reason why?
"Despite Germany's long history as the seat of the Holy Roman Empire and the birthplace of the Reformation, Christianity was in a decline during the rise of the Nazi Party. Some of the factors leading to this decline were the after affects of World War I which challenged "traditional" European viewpoints, the decline in political parties backed by the Catholic Church. The decline of the Centre Party Germany was an enabler for the rise of the Nazi Party."
"Many Christians believed Nazism to be a Christian movement. Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts."
"The nature of the Nazi Party's relations with the Catholic Church is also complicated. Before Hitler rose to power, many Catholic priests and leaders vociferously opposed Nazism on the grounds of its incompatibility with Christian morals. Nazi Party membership was forbidden until the takeover and a policy reversal. At his trial Franz von Papen said that until 1936 the Catholic Church hoped for a Christian alignment to the beneficial aspects he said they saw in national socialism. (This statement came after Pope Pius XII ended Von Papen's appointment as Papal chamberlain and ambassador to the Holy See, but before his restoration under Pope John XXIII.) With the Church's strong view against Communism and their support for Mussolini's fascist regime in Italy, some in the Church looked at the Nazi party as an ally at first. The Church encouraged worshippers to support a state of fascism rather than Communism. By doing this the Church gave a boost to the National Socialist party in Germany."
these quotes are relevant and prove my point.
.nobeliefs. com/ Hitler1. htm
Yes they are quotes. Nobody is denying they are quotes. But what about them? I can provide plenty of quotes from Hitler that contradict all those quotes. So what is your point?
It was Hitler's behavior and the actions of the Nazis that prove what kind of man Hitler was. Hitler and other tyrant dictators like him are judged by their behavior. Historians, anyone for that matter, can find that all of Hitler's acts parallel the guidelines and rules of his doctrine "Mein Kampf". This was the play book for Nazism.
Threfore you have not shown any proof that Hitler's plans of world domination have anything to do with the teachings of Bible.
You have shown quotes. So what? No person of intellect is going to read those quotes and conclude Hitler was a pious and spiritual Christian who was inspired to kill and exterminate humans because of what the Bible had instructed him. LOL!
Take my advice. If you want to present a valid and credible sounding argument, then Wikipedia is the last place you should look for it.
"I have also noticed that you are ignoring Neothe1 on the ballots that us three comment on, any reason why?"
if you make a post consisting of nothing but that, he'll never reply. the thread will tie.
die even
.nobeliefs. com/ Hitler1. htm
You still haven't answered my question about Neothe1, jinn.
here lies ballot 101498....
^ May it rest in peace.
onward, christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
christ, the royal master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Voted : Other (comment)
The true teachings of the Quaran advocate peace. However, today there exists new factions of EXTREMIST Muslims, that have completely skewed the original intention of the Quaran. Much like there are extremist Christians, who skew the Bible to their liking.
Voted : No, Islam is a death cult
Take a look at the Islam terrorists in the WestBank and GazaStrip area of Israel.
Don't forget about Syria,Iran, and Lebanon.
Voted : Yes, Islam is a religion of peace
criminals who call themselves islamic pretend that they have a cause.
They do not represent the average muslim.
Its just trash
Voted : Other (comment)
Islam is SH*T
ISLAM IS AN EVIL CULT, A RELIGION OF HATE AND VIOLENCE, IT IS THE ROOT OF TERRORISM.
Sura 2:190-194
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And SLAY THEM WHEREVER YE CATCH THEM, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they first fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith..."
Sura 8:12-15
"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels with the message: I am with you: give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite (smite = cut) ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop of his own - he draws on himself the wrath of God, and his abode is hell, - an evil refuge indeed! It is not ye who slew them; it was God..."
Sura 8:39
"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere. But if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do..."
Sura 8:57-61 (Summary: If you defeat them, treat the treacherous with treachery then terrorize them. God will repay what you spend. If they ask for peace give them peace.)
"If ye gain the mastery over them in war, disperse, with them, those who follow them, that they may remember. If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their covenant) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms. For God loveth not the treacherous. Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God."
Sura 47:4-6
"Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite (or 'cut') them at their necks. At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them). Thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded), but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself). But (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, He will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will He guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden (or 'Paradise')..." (CONTINUED)
by stranger7800 on Apr 11, 2004
Sura 3:152
"God did indeed fulfill His promise to you when ye with His permission were about to annihilate your enemy, until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you. But He forgave you, for God is full of grace to those who believe."
Sura 4:84,88,89
"Then fight in God's cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that God will restrain the fury of the unbelievers, for God is the strongest in might and punishment ... Why should ye be divided into two parties about the hypocrites? God hath upset them for their (evil) deeds ... But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, SEIZE THEM AND SLAY THEM WHEREVER YE FIND THEM."
Sura 4:95,96 (Summary: God gives a higher grade and reward to those who strive and fight in God's cause.)
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in faith) hath God promised good, but those who strive and fight hath he distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward - ranks specially bestowed by Him and forgiveness and mercy.
I get so sick and tired of people who say Islam and Christianity BOTH have their "Extremists"! Give me a break! It is like comparing Nazi's to Republican's. It doesn't make any sense. Wake Up America!
The Muslims want to 'peacefully' take over the world. That would be a monstrous disaster for the whole world. It would be far better to Eliminate 'Islam', replace it with something better.
Mohammed Invented his own religion, wrote his own version of 'scriptures', and anointed himself 'final prophet' of the world..! Such chutzpah..! Then he proceeded to conquer and convert the ignorant masses! A barbaric conqueror, a barbaric religion! Backward, primitive, irrational, dictatorial, and evidentally, dangerous!
In a nutshell..
ISLAM IS PSYCHOTIC,
the whole fuckin thing - whether moderate or fundamentalist twits.
Voted : No, Islam is a death cult
Religion of peace?
here is the problem: it's a religion founded by a guy who suffered from epilespy, and claimed that, during his seizures, he had visions from God. How would this make most Muslims, if they knew, feel?
by aya on Mon Aug 06, 07 2:39pm
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Voted : Other (comment)
Any religion that is based on Judeo-Christian ideology is not a religion of peace.
It's probably relatively 'peaceful' most of the time. But the principles of Islam and Mohammed's 'Koran' encourage violence, attack and killing. So male Muslim's are maniacs, thoroughly controlled by the mullahs and the Book. Islam wins no prizes for reasonable discussion or rationality, it is excessively dogmatic and literalist, fundamentalist. There is little freedom in Islam, but a great deal of outdated and traditional religious control.
Allah, or God, is Good, of course, but Allah is far Greater, far more, than what even Mohammed imagined.
The Muslims of the world need to abandon all that which is evil, all that people believe needs to be examined and reconsidered, violence and killing is not the answer, for that is only the way to death, enlightenment dispels darkness, excesses in the name of Islam are harmful to the faith, the people, and the world. Extreme Islam may be seen as backward or outdated, excesses are not to be encouraged or continued. There is no god but Allah. Yes, but Allah = Deus = Gott = Yahweh = Odin = Zeus, etc..! Many names for God. Many ways of looking at reality, through knowledge or belief. The faiths of the world should not be attacking each other, but living and working harmoniously together forever to enjoy mutual happiness and progress everywhere forever..
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