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Voted : No that makes no sense whatsoever, the man was clearly harmless
Probably praying there were no boxcutter packing passengers on his flight, to make a safe landing, and arrive home in one piece to see his loved ones again.
Were they at least on the runway when they asked him to leave? At least they weren't above the clouds, but still...
Voted : No that makes no sense whatsoever, the man was clearly harmless
There is no end to the hysterical stupidity of airlines these days.
No one should be surprised by this. This is an example of the type of behavior that stems from the idiotic paranoia that is being promoted by the corrupt rightwing for political gain. Be afraid of everything! Vote Republican!
It is a touch ironic that one effect of the maniupulative, hysterical rightwing "War on Terror" propaganda, which has, as a primary purpose, the promotion of the Jewish State of Israel, has lead to discrimination against Jews.
But with the idiot Bush in charge, this is just one stupidity in a infinite list.
(herzie ballot category: Pro-Jewish Propaganda)
Voted : No that makes no sense whatsoever, the man was clearly harmless
But, when you live in a world full of small-minded, scared people...
And did anyone ever consider the possibility that he *might* have been praying that the guy he saw slouched over the counter of the airport bar wasn't his pilot?
This is messed up. So what you're saying or asking is that because he looked Jewish, he should have been left alone? The point is he made other passengers uncomfortable and if the rules are going to work, they have to apply to all.
Its not cool to say that because he looked Jewish he was harmless and should have been left alone. What if the dude had been a really tan guy who was praying and rocking backd and forth and was removed, but it turned out he was a Middle Eastern Christian or even a Jewish man from Israel? Explain your logic to me because I'm not getting it.
Tom: my point is that this is irrational given the fact that no jew has ever been responsible for a hijacking like 911. If they were this would make a little more sense.
Flawed logic. What you're saying is the rules only apply to people who look Arab or Muslim and that b.s
The way its supposed to work is the safety of the majority rules and if a number of passengers said they felt uncomfortable, thats the way it goes. So what? Should they have made an announcement to the passerngers telling them tough luck if they felt uncomfortable that since the guy was Jewish, he was okay.
So answer this. If the guy was just a tan looking man and you could not disern his religion from his looks but he prayed and rocked back and forth and passengers complained that it would be okay to remove him since he looked like an Arab or Muslim? What if it turned out he was actually a very tan Christian or a Middle Eastern Christian man or in fact, just a very tan Jewish man? See the poin there? Either the rules are applied equally or they will never work. I don't see it your way at all.
tom; it says in the article that no one was actually bothered by this guy.
And yes, it is reasonable to be more concerned with erratic muslims on a plane than erratic jews given the history of both sides.
Tom:
"his praying was making other passengers nervous."
You're exactly right. What is being proposed in this ballot is that it is okay to discriminate against praying Muslims, but not praying Jews.
Of course, some people would suggest that it would be okay to disciminate against Muslims whether they were making the other passengers nervous or not.
It's ludicrous, of course. Simply a lame justification for bigotry.
Thats actually not the case here. I found the article and it says they received more than one complaint
"Air Canada Jazz termed the situation "delicate," but says it received more than one complaint about the man's behaviour.
The crew had to act in the interest of the majority of passengers, said Jazz spokeswoman Manon Stewart.
"The passenger did not speak English or French, so we really had no choice but to return to the gate to secure a translator," she said."
So it did bother people as the airline says it received more than one complaint. You're using one passenger saying it didn't bother anyone
"Yves Faguy, a passenger seated nearby. "He had some sort of cover over his head. He was reading from a book."
So you're okay with one passenger saying it didn't bother anyone and taking him on his word? How would he know if other passengers went quitetly to flight crew to complain and say it was making them nervous? He most likely wouldn't. If you post the whole article as it ran you can see the airline said it received a number of complaints.
http:// www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story /2006/09/05 / qc-hasidicprayeronplane. html
You forget the rules people, you are innocent until proven Muslim.
It will no doubt become an amendment to the constitution.... watch this space.
Ooops! Looks like herzie got caught taking cut-and-pastes out of context again and leaving out important facts that would have discredited his spin.
Wow! It's been at least a couple of days since the last time he got caught.
"Jewish man removed from airplane for praying
Last Updated: Tuesday, September 5, 2006 | 11:12 PM ET
CBC News
Some fellow passengers are questioning why an Orthodox Jewish man was removed from an Air Canada Jazz flight in Montreal last week for praying.
The man was a passenger on a Sept. 1 flight from Montreal to New York City when the incident happened.
The airplane was heading toward the runway at the Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport when eyewitnesses said the Orthodox man began to pray.
"He was clearly a Hasidic Jew," said Yves Faguy, a passenger seated nearby. "He had some sort of cover over his head. He was reading from a book.
"He wasn't exactly praying out loud but he was lurching back and forth," Faguy added.
The action didn't seem to bother anyone, Faguy said, but a flight attendant approached the man and told him his praying was making other passengers nervous.
"The attendant actually recognized out loud that he wasn't a Muslim and that she was sorry for the situation but they had to ask him to leave," Faguy said.
The man, who spoke neither English nor French, was escorted off the airplane.
Air Canada Jazz termed the situation "delicate," but says it received more than one complaint about the man's behaviour.
The crew had to act in the interest of the majority of passengers, said Jazz spokeswoman Manon Stewart.
"The passenger did not speak English or French, so we really had no choice but to return to the gate to secure a translator," she said.
The airline is not saying if the man was told he was not allowed to pray, but a spokesperson said the man was back on board the next flight to New York.
Jewish leaders in Montreal criticized the move as insensitive, saying the flight attendants should have explained to the other passengers that the man was simply praying and doing no harm.
Hasidic Rabbi Ronny Fine said he often prays on airplanes, but typically only gets curious stares.
"If it's something that you're praying in your own seat and not taking over the whole plane, I don't think it should be a problem," said Fine.
The Jewish group B'nai Brith Canada has offered to help give Air Canada crews sensitivity training.
I suppose if I change my mind at the last minute about going on a flight, I know what to do--pray.
I have to agree with TomSmith ... to think that you can profile a person by appearance (yeah, no Arab could pass themselves off as a Jew)  is naive, at best.
I also agree with cranky ... welcome to what your paranoia has wrought, folks.
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