COMMENTS:
Voted : The White House
I think it was the White House, though one source quoted the target as the Capitol Building.
what an empty looking small 12-20ft crater that is!
Where's the fuselage and the rest of the plane?
Are you sure that a plane hit the ground there?
Voted : The White House
There was a lot of speculation that it was heading for the white house, it always struck me as strange that the only plane not to reach its destination was the only plane directed to destroy something "personal" to the president.
Read into that what you will!!!
Well, a one-ton section of an engine was found over a mile away and other debris were found eight miles away. 
Debris meaning what, pieces of paper?
Voted : The Capitol Building
in my opinion.
by mojo on Mon Sep 11, 06 10:27am
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Voted : The Capitol Building
My opinion is Capital too
Amazing wasn't it that the debris from this crash was scattered over swathe of land stretching eight miles.
The white house or the capital.
^Me too
"what an empty looking small 12-20ft crater that is!
Where's the fuselage and the rest of the plane? "
Here....
911myths . com / html / more_flight_93_photos . html
and here...
911myths . com / html / flight_93_photos . html
"Amazing wasn't it that the debris from this crash was scattered over swathe of land stretching eight miles."
I've never heard any credible source say that. I have heard reports of parts bieng found 300 metres away (in the direction the plane was travelling), which has happened before in plane crashes exactly like this - it's nothing surprising.
For example, flight AA587 crashed in November 2001, in pretty much the same way as this, its engine were found blocks away from the actual main impact site.
ntsb . gov / Pressrel / 2004 / 041026 . htm
I seen all that crap -myths is right!
The plane was shot down and the wreckage was spread over an area of eight miles, thats the long and short of it, cue more crap ->
Oops! Tinfoil Hat Goof!
Looks like Tinfoil hat Lovelynice and Tinfoil hat Ken_from_Dublin need to colaborate their stories better.
LOVELYNICE: "what an empty looking small 12-20ft crater that is!Where's the fuselage and the rest of the plane? Are you sure that a plane hit the ground there?"
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 9:36am
KEN_FROM_DUBLIN: "The plane was shot down and the wreckage was spread over an area of eight miles, thats the long and short of it,"
by Ken_from_Dublin on Mon Sep 11, 06 3:08pm
Agenda of hate. That's all it is.
The tap dancing, damage control, spin doctoring and and back tracking starts below folks.
Poor Jinn, you have too much time on your hands, the paranoia is taking you over, hey Jinn! LOOK!!! Over your shoulder....it's.....the men in whites coats and they've come to take you away. (o:
Well little baby kenny. We will soon see who is paranoid...
Mr Wolf, I've seen all those photos on that lying 911myths site already, and a lot more besides.
Still didn't see any fuselage in the LITTLE EMPTY CRATER.
Coroner at the Scene:
"This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
The Crater:
"The smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."
The Dirt:
"The area in which the plane hit had just been backfilled."
Crash Site:
FOX: Any large pieces of debris at all?
Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
Of course, during the digging they found (in this are which had just been backfilled) an intact flight recorder (in GOOD CONDITION) and some engine parts (NOT SCORCHED OR MELTED, just old looking, dirty, and bashedup).
So, according to the Official 9/11 Lies, fligt 93 was the very first plane to ever bury itself entirely in the ground, wings and all, leaving a crater behind thatwas only 12-20ft wide - WITHOUT THESE IMPACTING WINGS MARKING THE GROUND AT ALL. I guess, that all 757/767s have wings that fold up and retract into the plane body during crashes, neh?
I wonder how many of the names and addresses on the Flight 93 passenger lists are real?
I checked this one, because I live in Japan;
Toshiya Kuge 20 Nishimidoriguoska, Japan
There is no such place as Nishimidoriguoska in Japan
The name Toshiya Kuge hardly appears at all on Japanese news sites. Only 20 websites on a google search had the name, and on half of those they said that he wasn't on the original passenger lists and there was scepticism. Isn't it weird that in the USA news media and USA sites this name would appear on thousands of sites, but in Japan only 20 sites?
On the Waseda University site, they have picture of a memorial tree for 9/11 but no Toshiya Kuge among their students.
Last night, there was a TV special where they interviewed Japanese survivors of the 9/11 attacks, and Japanese relatives of victims who died - but again, no relatives or mention of the alleged Toshiya Kuge.
Notice how Lovelynice loves to use eye witness accounts to support the tinfoil hat garbage. Note the four examples of this below:
Example 1:
"This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 5:59pm
""This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 5:59pm
Example 2:
"The smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 5:59pm
Example 3:
"The area in which the plane hit had just been backfilled."
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 5:59pm
Example 4:
FOX: Any large pieces of debris at all?
Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
by Lovelynice on Mon Sep 11, 06 5:59pm
^All posted comments by Lovelynice.
So we can clearly see from the above comments that Lovelynice believes strongly in eye witness accounts to be very important.
However, odd thing! When others try to introduce any of the thousands of recorded and documented eye witness accounts, in order to argue against Loveleynice, She suddenly claims they are not credible. See the exmples of this below:
Ballot #100132
"Very nice, Jinn, now as you know, witnesses by themselves are unreliable"
by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 28, 06 8:41pm
Ballot #100132
The problem partly is that, the USA government has been caught lying so many times, INCLUDING THE USE OF FALSE WITNESSES that they aren't exactly trustworthy on their own.
by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 28, 06 9:49pm
Ballot #100132
"Still means nothing, because witnesses by themselves are unreliable"
by Lovelynice on Sun Sep 03, 06 5:17pm
Nothing more to be said regarding a lying hypocrite folks. End of story.
By the way, eye witnesses have been one of the most vital, compelling and useful criterea in the legal courts for centuries. In fact, without eye witnesses most court proceedings are far more difficult for prosecutors. Since when did eye witnesses become so damn unreliable? And do we really require video to substantiate eye witness accounts, when they all say the same thing?
Don't let those pesky facts get in the way Ken.
The "reports" of debris bieng found miles away were concerning paper debris from the in flight magazine. Wind anybody?
Ken, I wish you'd stop using loosechange and that clown Avery as your point of reference.
Avery states that light debris from the plane was scattered up to 8 miles away, and a section of an engine weighing a ton was found 2000 yards from the crash site. However, he neglects to mention the position of the debris in relation to the crash site and the plane's flight path. This is pretty important, considering one part of an engine was found 300 yards downhill, in the direction the plane was traveling.
"Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards."
"Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake."
As I was saying, this type of crash has happened before (AA585)...
airdisaster . com / special / special-ua585 . shtml
Does the crash scene on that page look familiar?
And I quote...
"Dozens of witnesses in the community directly under the extended centerline watched as the airplane levelled off momentarily on the runway heading, 3.5 miles from the threshold. Then, it rolled to the right, pitched down until reaching a nearly vertical attitude, and compacted itself into a 39-foot wide, 15-foot deep crater in an area known as Widefield Park. All onboard were killed."
Voted : World Trade Center #7
{Ballot #100132
"Very nice, Jinn, now as you know, witnesses by themselves are unreliable"
by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 28, 06 8:41pm
Ballot #100132
The problem partly is that, the USA government has been caught lying so many times, INCLUDING THE USE OF FALSE WITNESSES that they aren't exactly trustworthy on their own.
by Lovelynice on Mon Aug 28, 06 9:49pm
Ballot #100132
"Still means nothing, because witnesses by themselves are unreliable"
by Lovelynice on Sun Sep 03, 06 5:17pm
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Mon Sep 11, 06 10:54pm}
Notice how Jinn, very much Beauregard, likes to take comments completely out of their context in his attempts at personal attacks?
As Jinn knows, all three comments above were regarding the credibility of Pentagon witnesses to a plane hitting the Pentagon versus those 500+ witnesses who heard, saw, and felt explosives taking down the WTC buildings and are supported by video evidence showing lines of explosions blowing out the floors before the falling debris could reach those floors, and there's seismic data showing impossibly short tremors revealing the use of explosives in those controlled demolitions.
Now, perhaps Jinn, can provide equally supporting evidence of Flight 93 - not being blown up in the sky - but directly smashing directly into the ground, revealing how this huge passenger jet's wings FOLDED UP to fit into that little crater without impacting the ground on either side.
I look at the photos of the MINIMAL debris found inside that tiny crater, and I look at the photos of that crater, and I don't see any such evidence.
Mr Wolf, you neglected to explain how this huge passenger plane buried itself in the ground (according to the Official Lies) without it's wings impacting the ground around that little crater.
{Avery states that light debris from the plane was scattered up to 8 miles away, and a section of an engine weighing a ton was found 2000 yards from the crash site. However, he neglects to mention the position of the debris in relation to the crash site and the plane's flight path. This is pretty important, considering one part of an engine was found 300 yards downhill, in the direction the plane was traveling. Lake." by wolf_nipple_chips on Tue Sep 12, 06 4:57am}
Nothing you said actually countered what Ken from Dublin said. Your mention of the debris along the flight path would happen with a plane blown apart in the sky too, simply due to inertia. The plane's parts are not going to simply stop moving along it's previous trajectory, but even many diverge from that path, in general those pieces would stil be continuing along the same path as the plane was moving when destroyed.
Also nothing you said explains away that TINY crater, the lack of fuselage, or ridiculous official story of the plane burying itself in the ground without the wings impacting the ground beyond that little 12-20ft wide crater.
Nor does it explain the lack of any odour of aviation fuel at the site.
{"...compacted itself into a 39-foot wide, 15-foot deep crater in an area known as Widefield Park. All onboard were killed."
by wolf_nipple_chips on Tue Sep 12, 06 5:02am}
Your claim there about the witnesses has a major problem. Please explain how these alleged "witnesses" (who you fail to quote, or name) were able to see past those trees to see the plane actually compact itself into that crater - which by the way, IS NOT 39-ft wide, but less than 20ft wide, and IS NOT 15-ft deep, but only several ft deep.
Check the Killtown site for Flight 93, he has heaps of photos of that crater and it's easy to see it's real size and what's there - AND WHAT IT ISN'T THERE (namely, the obvious wreckage of a plane crash)
Lovelynice, unless you have video showing actual (tons) of planted explosives, or video showing demolition experts (that would have taken a least a year covertly) secretly carrying, wiring and planting those tons of explosives, then you cannot convince anyone of anything. How about a video of someone confessing to such nonsense?
You see, two can play your silly game.
Oh, and please provide a video that clearly and unquestionably shows a missile striking the Pentagon, otherwise your claim is 100% erroneous bullcrap.
{Lovelynice, unless you have video showing actual (tons) of planted explosives, by Jinn_the_Kafir on Tue Sep 12, 06 7:00am}
That's a ridiculous one Jinn, if you're going to make stupid requests maybe you should show me some video and photos of those alleged "arab hijackers" actually BEING ON THE PLANES AND PILOTING THEM.
One doesn't need the video of a man loading a gun to know that the gun has been loaded when he shoots somebody. That's what your BS is like. It's like saying "Yeah, the victim was shot to death, but the video showing him being shot doesn't prove anything unless we can video of another man loading the gun beforehand."
Also, your bullshit excuse "that it would take at least a year" is just that - bullshit and nothing more. You cited no quotes, sources, or links to support this storytelling excuse of yours.
{Oh, and please provide a video that clearly and unquestionably shows a missile striking the Pentagon, .....
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Tue Sep 12, 06 7:03am}
Maybe YOU should, since I've never claimed that a missile hit the Pentagon.
EVER.
I would still like see video of a huge passenger plane hitting the Pentagon. With 85 CCTV cameras aimed in the direction of the impact zone, it's amazing that the USA government REFUSES to release any of that recorded video and has only released some photos, later stitched together in a NON-video that SHOW NOTHING BUT A BLUR and NO PLANE.
Be careful Jinn, never confuse me with other people or you'll come out looking very silly.
"Maybe YOU should, since I've never claimed that a missile hit the Pentagon.
EVER." I would still like see video of a huge passenger plane hitting the Pentagon. With 85 CCTV cameras aimed in the direction of the impact zone, it's amazing that the USA government REFUSES to release any of that recorded video and has only released some photos, later stitched together in a NON-video that SHOW NOTHING BUT A BLUR and NO PLANE.
Well in that case Lovelynice, you yourself are not entitled to make ANY claims whatsoever.
Like I said, if video MUST be provided to clearly, positively, unargueably, and unquestionably show the truth and the facts, then YOU MUST bring forward the video that clearly, positively, unargueably, and unquestionably proves any of your silly claims.
Get the point now?
{Well in that case Lovelynice, you yourself are not entitled to make ANY claims whatsoever.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Tue Sep 12, 06 7:59am}
Now you're being falacious and ridiculous.
You haven't yet shown any video of a huge passenger plane hitting the Pentagon. When is that going to happen? Maybe NEVER.
It's extremely suspicious that with 85 CCTVs that would've caught an image of a plane (if there was one), that the USA government can show NOTHING.
Why should we go by FAITH ALONE???
{Get the point now?
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Tue Sep 12, 06 7:59am}
I know that you DON'T. Taking my comments out of of their context is going to get you EXACTLY NOWHERE.
You're not very good at debate are you?
As I stated;
"One doesn't need the video of a man loading a gun to know that the gun has been loaded when he shoots somebody. That's what your BS is like. It's like saying "Yeah, the victim was shot to death, but the video showing him being shot doesn't prove anything unless we can video of another man loading the gun beforehand."
Also, your bullshit excuse "that it would take at least a year" is just that - bullshit and nothing more. You cited no quotes, sources, or links to support this storytelling excuse of yours."
and neither of these points have you been able to get around.
Funny thing... the crash site investigators could not find any bodies, no luggage and no large size pieces of the Jet Plane (like large wings, parts of the fuselage and tail, the large jet engines, NOTHING!)... just like at the crash site at the Pentagon... NOTHING!
So, I really believe this plane (if it did really exist), would have been headed for Building WTC 7, because that 3rd building collapsed on itself about 5 hours after the twin towers collapsed, and it was not hit by any plane and did not suffer any visible structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers. STEEL BUILDINGS COLLAPSING IN ON THEMSELVES FOR NO REASON! AMAZING!
Look at the ballot 93275 and vote
also, prisonplanet. com is a very interesting site explosing all the lies about September 11 and all this stuff about Flight 93.
Also watch the movie at
seeloosechange. com
to see what really happened that day.
Watch the video interviews of Professor Steven Jones at:
prisonplanet. com
"Your claim there about the witnesses has a major problem. Please explain how these alleged "witnesses" (who you fail to quote, or name) were able to see past those trees to see the plane actually compact itself into that crater - which by the way, IS NOT 39-ft wide, but less than 20ft wide, and IS NOT 15-ft deep, but only several ft deep."
Lovelynice, please read my comments before commenting yourself. The quote was taken from the article I provided, which you clearly ignored. The article discussed the crash of AA585. A plane that nosedived into the ground leaving nothing but a small crater and debris you could hold in your hand. Please read, then comment. I was using this as an example of past crashes. It's called research.
"Nothing you said actually countered what Ken from Dublin said"
Yes it did. Ken claimed the debris was spread over a 8 mile area. That's bull. 300 yards for the engine piece, 1.5 miles for pieces of paper.
Did you actually read what I said?
I'll recap.
1.It is quite believable that a plane could make a crater that size. It has happened before - I provided an example.
2. There is no evidence whatsoever that debris was spread over a 8 mile area. Experts and people who were there reported an engine some 300 metres away (in the direction the plane was moving) and some paper debris near the indian lake, a mile and a half away.
That counters everything you and Ken have said regarding this subject so far.
"So, I really believe this plane (if it did really exist), would have been headed for Building WTC 7, because that 3rd building collapsed on itself about 5 hours after the twin towers collapsed, and it was not hit by any plane and did not suffer any visible structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers. "
YOu are a joke. DO SOME RESEARCH!! The web is covered with videos and pictures of the damage to WTC 7. For gods sake!
Not only that, but the are loads of quotes from firefighters who were their on the day describing the damage - the 20 story gash, the buldging in the exterior, the fire, the predicted collapse.
Look at something other that prisonfuckingplanet and loosechange.
blackcat said...
" just like at the crash site at the Pentagon... NOTHING! "
Enjoy...
1. The pentagon lawn covered in small silver debris, some of which identifiable as coming from a 757 - with AA lettering
Source - (geocities . com / osram007 / photos / WTCtable3f . jpg)
2. Big chunks of aluminium debris on the lawn and helipad
Source - (911research . wtc7 . net / pentagon / evidence / photos / yardparts . html)
3. Aluminium debris painted with the AA green primer inside the building
Source - (911research . wtc7 . net / pentagon / evidence / photos / parts . html)
4. Huge holes in the Pentagon wall - These holes are roughly 25 feet high and 90 feet wide (on the ground floor), 16 foot wide on the second floor.
Source - Full extent of damage - (oilempire . us / graphics / hole11 . jpg)
5. 10-12 foot hole/damage corresponding to the right engine
Source - (pentagon . batcave . net / r01750r-_2a . jpg)
6. 10-12 foot hole/damage coresponding to the left engine
Source - (silvereagletaphouse . com / pentagon-1 . jpg)
7. Superficial limestone damage and broken windows(inches thick) corresponding to the left wing
Source - (perso . orange . fr / jpdesm / pentagon / damage / aileGauche1 . jpg)
8. A huge dent and limestone damage corresponding to the right wing
Source - (911review . org / images / pentagon / 356243--2 . jpg)
9. 89 PEOPLE saw a big airliner hit the Pentagon. 2/3 that didn't. None of which described a Global Hawk or a missile.
Source - (911research . wtc7 . net / pentagon / analysis / witnesses . html)
10. Bodies
Source - (911research . wtc7 . net / pentagon / evidence / photos / humanremains . html)
11. Knocked down lamp posts that were not in a straight line...
Source - (thepowerhour . com / images / lamp1 . JPG)
12. The landing gear from a boeing 757 - the strongest part of the 757
Source - (whatreallyhappened . com / PENTPLANE / landinggear002 . jpg)
13. Various engine pieces from a 757
Source - (911research . wtc7 . net / pentagon / evidence / photos / compressor . html)
Source - (thebiggestsecretpict . online . fr / nwo / inside_pent_engine_remains . jpg)
14. Non profit experts confirming that these engine parts match those used by the RB211 757 RR engines. Which are too big to match those used by the Global Hawk.
Source - (aerospaceweb. org/ question/ conspiracy/ q0265. shtml)
15. Tyre rims and rubber identified as coming from a 757
Source - (whatreallyhappened . com / PENTPLANE / aedrive6 . jpg)
16. A hole on the AE drive on the back wall of the open plan ground floor. With the wheel rim and silver debris. Something a missile could not have done by the way.
Open plan - Source (pentagon . batcave . net / A000-2 . jpg)
Wheel rim - Source (pentagon . batcave . net / trou1_grande--1 . jpg)
17. Internal column damage corresponding to to an object the size of a 757
Source - chapelhill . indymedia . org / uploads / impact-internal-1-big . jpg
Source - e-bias . com / images / orange1 . jpg
You are SOOOO wasting YOUR time and OUR time Nipple, nobody is going to bother their arses trawling through your biased websites, try using your grey matter like we do , though I can't help but notice you tend to refrain from that as you invariably end up on the losing side of any argument, hence your retreat into irrelevant diversionary referrals.
You are SOOOO wasting YOUR time and OUR time Nipple, nobody is going to bother their arses trawling through your biased websites, try using your grey matter like we do , though I can't help but notice you tend to refrain from that as you invariably end up on the losing side of any argument, hence your retreat into irrelevant diversionary referrals.
by Ken_from_Dublin on Tue Sep 12, 06 7:11pm
F*cking well remember that the next time you are about to bore us all with your biased nonsense then, Kenneth.
I love the smell of hypocrasy in the morning!
Ken, unlike all the paragraphs you normally paste into these pages, the links i've provided are simply links to pictures. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not suprising that you ignore them. That's what you seem to do with anything that counters you view.
Ken, you'll notice that over half those links are actually refering to conspiracy sites. What was that word you used again Ken -"biased" was it?
Keep ignoring those pesky facts.
I'll recap.
1.It is quite believable that a plane could make a crater that size. It has happened before - I provided an example.
2. There is no evidence whatsoever that debris was spread over a 8 mile area. Experts and people who were there reported an engine some 300 metres away (in the direction the plane was moving) and some paper debris near the indian lake, a mile and a half away.
That counters everything you and Ken have said regarding this subject so far.
That's more like it, you're putting forward an argument now - with yourself. (o:
^Yeah, cause you don't have one. Glad you admitted it.
"You're (jinn) not very good at debate are you?"
by Lovelynice on Tue Sep 12, 06 9:11am
You are using ad hominem with that comment, which means you have no valid argument to offer in debate.
"One doesn't need the video of a man loading a gun to know that the gun has been loaded when he shoots somebody. That's what your BS is like. It's like saying "Yeah, the victim was shot to death, but the video showing him being shot doesn't prove anything unless we can video of another man loading the gun beforehand."
by Lovelynice on Tue Sep 12, 06 9:11am
I can now understand why you confuse things and jump to conclusions. Sorry, but I can't understand the jibberish in that comment. Please show me where I said anything remotely like that, instead of inventing my thoughts and words for me.
"Also, your bullshit excuse "that it would take at least a year" is just that - bullshit and nothing more. You cited no quotes, sources, or links to support this storytelling excuse of yours."
by Lovelynice on Tue Sep 12, 06 9:11am
There's one of those subliminal effect words again; "bullshit".
I am a trained, licensed and experienced to work with explosives. I worked as a "shooter" in the geophysical operations sector of the oil and gas industry for eight years. During that time I carried, loaded, primed, armed at set off dynamite, blasting caps and prima-cord charges. Is that helpful?
Also, myself and many other average people have seen enough real life building demolition examples in books and on television to conclude the obvious. In every example I shown, the demolition team rips, tears and chips away at the walls and plaster to find all the supporting pillars and posts of every floor in the building. Then they drill holes, pack them and wrap large charges (depending on the size of the building's supports) around them. Then they run miles of carefully placed firing line to a designated safe spot for arming and detonation. This type of preparation can take weeks with just a few people. They need to work without interference and without other people around because of course they are carrying dangerous explosives around all day. How on earth could anyone do this in two buildings which are among the largest in the world, without raising suspicion? It would easily take a year or more to make this preparation, especially if being done covertly, which of course would be a ridiculous notion. Find a building demolition expert who denys all that and you have another liar.
'The men doth protest to much'
Keep up all that ranting and you two spoonfed brick swallowers might even convince yourselves that you picked the right team to defend.
That wreckage up there is nearly as convincing as the wreckage on the Pentalawn!
Oh I forgot there was virtually no wreckage to speak of there either was there? (o:
I hope for your sake kenny you are not talking about Flight 93. Because all of the aircraft parts were recovered. They were then handed over to United Airlines, with the exception of the black boxes, the flight data recorder and the voice cockpit recorder which were also found and were sent to be analyzed by investigators in Washington D.C. Virtually 100% percent of the airplane had been recovered. The biggest piece of aircraft found was a fuselage skin measuring about 6 to 7 feet. The heaviest piece was from one of the engines and weighed 1,000 pounds. All pieces were tagged and numbered the moment they were found.
DUH! Yeah I know, it took them a while to collect it though as the wreckage was spread over a swathe of land eight miles long, which completely contradicts accounts of it smashing into the ground after the alleged hijackers were overpowered.
My god, this is like talking to a brick wall.
We have already clarified above..There is no evidence to support your claim. Crash investigators, local press and law inforcement reported paper debris as far a way as the indian lake (1.5 miles) and an engine piece 300 yards away.
"Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards."
"Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake."
If this plane was hit by a missile, there would be MAJOR debris scattered over that area, not paper.
"Robert Sherman, a conventional weapons expert with the Federation of American Scientists who worked for the state department as former executive director of the Arms Control and Non-Proliferation Advisory Board, and also wrote extensively about F-16s and Sidewinder missiles, looked at the missile theories on flight93crash.com and deemed it "the usual paranoid crap."
"There was nothing there that gets me very worked up," he says. "Maybe did break up. A crash is not a sanitary event. By definition, the uncontrolled impact of an airplane does strange things."
Sherman said that if a missile had hit Flight 93, there would have been more evidence. "If a Sidewinder had hit it, there would have been pieces of the fan or the fuselage in a larger area," he says. "If the engine breaks up, then the fan blades are going to come off like bullets. Pieces of the wing and fuselage would be all over the place."
web . archive . org / web / 20041101190530
Keep you eyes and ears shut ken, don't let those facts in.
"DUH! Yeah I know, it took them a while to collect it though as the wreckage was spread over a swathe of land eight miles long, which completely contradicts accounts of it smashing into the ground after the alleged hijackers were overpowered."
by Ken_from_Dublin on Wed Sep 13, 06 5:34pm
That is a outright lie! Typical of the dishonest conspiracy theorists. Almost all the debris, the vast majority of it, was contained within a 72 acre area perimeter around the impact site. A small amount of light debris, paper, foam and small pieces of thin sheet metal, etc, were found upto a maximum of 1 1/2 miles away, but in the general direction the plane was going when it impacted. Normal, since the blast force blew some debris into the air. Also, the part of the engine that tinfoil hats like to claim as being found several miles away from the crash site (another lie), was in fact only about 280 yards from the impact site, again flung in the same direction the plane was going when it impacted. Normal.
Do you have any more disinformation you want me to straighten out?
You guys must have severe constipation from all those bricks you keep swallowing! LOL!
It was seen being shot down by eyewitnesses too.
{ Almost all the debris, the vast majority of it, was contained within a 72 acre area
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Fri Sep 15, 06 10:19pm}
PROVE IT.
Jinn, I've told them that about 4 times, and backed it up with evidence and they still can't except it. I wouldn't bother.
Do bother Jinn! - don't mind him, we'd love to see what you have to offer, as he's provided nothing.
Your a funny man kenneth.
{I've told them that about 4 times, and backed it up with evidence
by wolf_nipple_chips on Sat Sep 16, 06 11:10am}
WHEN? In your imagination maybe.
^I'll recap shall I(for the third time)?
1, Re: Your assumption that the plane couldn't have made a crater like that.
Firstly clearly it isn't 12-20ft, look at the size of the people in comparison, from that angle, it's width looks at least 30-40ft.
Secondly, this kind of thing has happened before (a plane nosediving, creating a relatively small crater, and small pieces of debris.
See flight AA585
airdisaster . com / special / special-ua585 . shtml
Does the crash scene on that page look familiar?
And I quote...
"Dozens of witnesses in the community directly under the extended centerline watched as the airplane levelled off momentarily on the runway heading, 3.5 miles from the threshold. Then, it rolled to the right, pitched down until reaching a nearly vertical attitude, and compacted itself into a 39-foot wide, 15-foot deep crater in an area known as Widefield Park. All onboard were killed."
2, Re: Kens claim that all the planes debris was scattered over an 8 mile area. He fails to show anything of worth that corroborates his claim.
I presented several sources, showing that the furthest debris was paper and light fragments of metal found downwind at an Indian Lakes residential area, 1.5 miles away, and a piece of engine, 300 yards away, in the direction the plane was moving...
"Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards."
"Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake."
popularmechanics.com / science / defense / 1227842 . html?page=7&c=y
post-gazette . com / headlines / 20010913somersetp3 . asp
Kens inability to debate this shows that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's just getting his facts from that halfwit Avery and the his laughable LooseChange "documentary".
Even if this debris was found 8 miles away, it was still only paper debris. The only thing of any size was a PART of an engine - just under 300 yards away.
If the plane had really been blown up by a missile, we'd see the whole plane scattered over this area.
Look at this picture of the crash scene, clearly it was intact when it crashed, the outline is perfect...
911research . wtc7 . net / planes / analysis / flight93 / docs / pacrash . jpg
"The plane was shot down and the wreckage was spread over an area of eight miles, thats the long and short of it
by Ken_from_Dublin on Mon Sep 11, 06 3:08pm"
Ken, I totally agree with you on this point. Those have been my thoughts since the day this happened.
^I take it you didn't read the rest of the ballot?
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