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COMMENTS:
IMO, just give the extremist haters on Our Side of the Pond time to get around to it, if they think it'll "contribute to the war effort".
Like I've said before, I've never read the Koran, but it seems that its verses are most easily contorted to fit their mindsets (which, IMO, does not make Islam a "violent" religion, at least no more inherently violent that any other). Also, as far as I know, Islam hasn't undergone as much of a reformation as Christianity has, so this probably plays some part. But then, I'm no historian, it may just be the other reason.
But truth, the point I was making is that they don't for the most part. Unless, if you go to the south, that's different. But for the most part, even in Europe, you don't really hear of this sort of thing, but you see it happen plenty in Muslim countries.
by aya on Wed Sep 13, 06 4:44pm
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"Islam hasn't undergone as much of a reformation as Christianity has"
himself, exactly! There are a number of good Muslims, but they are predominately overshadowed by extremists, primarily because of the fact you don't hear much from moderates doing much about extremists
by aya on Wed Sep 13, 06 4:46pm
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Maybe when the US is invaded by a foreign power and the citizens are taken to a Gitmo type prisons, there could be a small backlash, what do you think?
Agreed. The US invasions in the Middle East have not helped stop terrorism. Which is why I don't think violence should be the main strategy when trying to stop terrorism. Sure, it can be used where absolutely necessary, but there are other strategies that work better.
Wow, you're on a roll today aya.
Yes, Islam is distinct from christianity and judiasm. In all three you can find passages to support a holy war, but only in Islam are those passages acted on and supported to such a degree.
Islam is the youngest of the three, perhaps they just need another few centuries to mature before joining the civilized world. Jews and christians have almost entirely rejected the violence that marred their history, and the few who do not are met with no support and unmitigated denounciation from their comrades.
Islam just needs a reformation and they too can be a civilized religion. But that means that the moderates need to stand up to the radicals in their midst, speak out, work to take down extremists where they hide, chase them out of your mosques, turn away from mullahs who preach this medievil version of Islam, treat women, infidels, and other cultures as, if not equals, then at least as people you can tolerate co-existing with without resorting to jihad or violence.
"I've never read the Koran"
by himself809 on Wed Sep 13, 06 4:44pm
"I'm no historian"
by himself809 on Wed Sep 13, 06 4:44pm
Which is why opinions are not facts. I do like your honesty.
"Maybe when the US is invaded by a foreign power and the citizens are taken to a Gitmo type prisons, there could be a small backlash, what do you think?"
by Steelhamster on Wed Sep 13, 06 4:52pm
What do you mean "Maybe" and "when". 3000 deaths is not considered an attack to you?
Al-qaeda has also carried out attacks in 28 countries around the globe. Islamic terrorist attacks have been carried out in 84 countries around the globe. There have been nearly 6000 deadly Islamic terrorist attacks against innocent people around the world just since 9/11.
Yes, there should be a huge backlash by the world over this. What the world doesn't need is PC apologists and the equally dangerous moderate apologist Muslims to tell us we shouldn't.
jinn, i will again refer you to the ballot inwhich your argument was destroyed
bestandworst. com/ v/ ? id= 101498
When was the US invaded and 3000 died, Jinn?
Maybe I missed that history lesson...
'Maybe when the US is invaded by a foreign power and the citizens are taken to a Gitmo type prisons, there could be a small backlash, what do you think?'
Well the ballot isn't about americans, its about christians.
Hmm, what about those christians in the Sudan who are being massacred by invaders? They don't seem to be resorting to terrorism, and yet they have your justification of being invaded and abused.
"Well the ballot isn't about americans, its about christians."
Read it again.
Anyway, I don't see Muslims in the US bombing churches so what's your point?
American Christians bomb mosques in other countries like Afghanistan and Iraq.
"Anyway, I don't see Muslims in the US bombing churches so what's your point?"
That's because they're a smaller minority, but you see this sort of thing happen in predominately Muslim nations, including Iraq. Where insurgents target churches, so what's you're point?
by aya on Thu Sep 14, 06 10:27am
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" American Christians bomb mosques in other countries like Afghanistan and Iraq."
But do they do it on purpose? The way Muslim fanactics bomb churches?
by aya on Thu Sep 14, 06 10:43am
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isn't it funny how every time i mention that ballot, jinn dissapears?
WHoK: The final question on this ballot is: Muslims are mad, so they bomb, right? But worldwide, consistently, you have Christians and Jews persecuted and killed. Muslims are angry about the way their breathern are treated, so why don't Christians get mad and go around and bomb mosques and kill unbelievers on a regular basis?
Not exclusively the US.
'Anyway, I don't see Muslims in the US bombing churches so what's your point?'
Ah but here's the difference, in the US christians are dominate, right? WHen muslims are the dominate group they do riot, and murder and generally make life miserable for non-muslims.
Besides which, we get the creme-de la creme here, the most enlightened, liberal and tolerant ones. Which are not representative of their religion.
The middle east and southeast asia hold the majority of muslims, and look at their behavior there.
their behavior is the same there as here. that being in accordance with quran.
i will again refer you to ballot 101498
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